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Old 06-19-2006, 11:23 AM   #1
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Question Question: What is the deal with portrayal of crime in Japan based movies?

All you ever hear about is how little crime there is in Japan and how they have stiff penalties toward those who do act criminally.
Meanwhile there are all the tales of the Yakuza not to mention nearly every film I've seen about modern day Japan features some manner of folks killing each other with swords, knives, karate and automatic fire weaponry.

I don't understand.
What is the real deal with Japan and crime?



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Old 06-19-2006, 11:25 AM   #2
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:27 AM   #3
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Less crime, more corruption.

Small acts are punished, but larger crimes such as the Yakuza commit can be shielded from public view.

Also: movies are movies.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:27 AM   #4
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Well, for the movies that come from Hollywood, and are generally for U.S. audiences. Even those that don't come from Hollywood are frequently targeted for U.S. audiences.

Americans like violence, the bloodier, the better!

Americans are generally ignorant of global culture and societal norms.

Americans are easily suggestable.

1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = Yakuza

Also the movies made in Japan about Yakuza come from a long history of Japanese film making that centers around power struggles, and the warriors that fight them for the lords.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:27 AM   #5
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There's plenty of crime in Japan. They just want you to believe that their little utopian social vision is working.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:28 AM   #6
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Asinine: some of the stuff that comes out of Japan for Japanese audiences (JDM, if you will) is pretty damn violent. They're wacky.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:29 AM   #7
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Chow Yun Fat is chinese.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:30 AM   #8
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On the flip side, some of the films that have come out of Japan in the last 20 years are heartbreakingly beautiful, in a way that would never be commercially viable in the US.

The legacy of Kurosawa, etc is alive and well in Nip'pon.
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Chow Yun Fat is chinese.
Good point.

I only glanced at the picture and assumed it was Beat Takeshi
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:31 AM   #10
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Their crime stats might be low compared to the rest of the Western world...but their suicide stats are astronomical...odd correlation...
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Asinine: some of the stuff that comes out of Japan for Japanese audiences (JDM, if you will) is pretty damn violent. They're wacky.
Yep, and thats what I'm thinking of not so much Hollyweird sourced stuff.
The Japanese put out their own domestic flicks that put pretty much Rambo et. al. to shame as relative to their own society.

It all just seems so very conflicting and yet the genre there is popular as hell as proven by the careers of John Woo and Chow Yun Fat (pictured) respectively.

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Old 06-19-2006, 11:31 AM   #12
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If all you watched were american action movies you'd think we were rebuilding city blocks on a weekly basis.
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It all just seems so very conflicting and yet the genre there is popular as hell as proven by the careers of John Woo and Chow Yun Fat (pictured) respectively.

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Um... they're both from Hong Kong?
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:32 AM   #14
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Chow Yun Fat is chinese.
Yes he is Chinese...and he's a JDM star.

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John Woo
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Also Chinese.

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Yes he is Chinese...and he's a JDM star.

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No... they are not. They are both products of Hong Kong cinema.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:35 AM   #17
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Um... they're both from Hong Kong?
Oh crap you're right!

Woops, bad example...my bad Wheel.
Okay forget about them but my question remains toward Japan.
Whats the deal?

FF3 and many other JDM films depict crime and criminality as being normal daily occurences.

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Quote:
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Oh crap you're right!

Woops, bad example...my bad Wheel.
Okay forget about them but my question remains toward Japan.
Whats the deal?

FF3 and many other JDM films depict crime and criminality as being normal daily occurences.

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Well, it's hardly news that a society of strict laws and rules and controls might enjoy some good old fashioned escapism at the movies.

While there aren't many murders or robberies in Japan, the society is pretty messed up on the whole. Lots of sex and drugs and drama going on, as has been pointed out a TON of young suicide. It's a very high-stress culture. They don't just want Disney style movies, they want some serious violence.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:39 AM   #19
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FF3 and many other JDM films depict crime and criminality as being normal daily occurences.

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Overy simplified and hyped to make a movie. F&F3 isn't JDM by any stretch, it was mostly filmed in LA. Highly stylized, a cartoonish depiction of Japan.

Would you say F&F1 was an accurate depiction of USDM racing?
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Detective Brian: You know, I don't know. Mr. Lee is Korean. I' m Japanese, in case you never bothered to notice.
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Well, it's hardly news that a society of strict laws and rules and controls might enjoy some good old fashioned escapism at the movies.

While there aren't many murders or robberies in Japan, the society is pretty messed up on the whole. Lots of sex and drugs and drama going on, as has been pointed out a TON of young suicide. It's a very high-stress culture. They don't just want Disney style movies, they want some serious violence.
Wow.

I knew about the high suicied rate, but the rest...wow.
Okay so they're depiction of violence and crime as well as criminality is largely escapist cultural bravado. Interesting.

Thanks.

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Old 06-19-2006, 11:42 AM   #22
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Would you say F&F1 was an accurate depiction of USDM racing?
Wait, so there aren't gangs of riced up cars roaming the streets of LA just looking to street race for $2000 cash?

**calls to cancel trip to LA**
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Overy simplified and hyped to make a movie. F&F3 isn't JDM by any stretch, it was mostly filmed in LA. Highly stylized, a cartoonish depiction of Japan.

Would you say F&F1 was an accurate depiction of USDM racing?
No and I didn't know that about FF3.
This is why I'm asking, I don't know dick about Japanese culture and as such I figured I'd ask as it seems many OTters have been there.

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They must show the pain and suffering involved in any violent act against a person. So you do see killings, but you also will see the pain involved with the person being killed.

This supposedly makes the act of violence towards people less glorified and gives people a better idea of what really happens when they hurt someone.

In the US, some one gets shot and they die immediatly, or they'll get shot 10 times and still be walking towards the shooter. There is not a reality towards voilence in american moveis and they never show pain, unless it's from a central character.

Japan, while over the top in some of the pain, and blood, show a more realistic side to violence the majority of the time.

atleast that is a brief description of why it is like it from a psych proff I had a few years ago, he specialized in the TV/movie industry and the effects they have on people.
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FF3 and many other JDM films depict crime and criminality as being normal daily occurences.

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So do many American movies. They are not documentaries, you know.
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