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Old 06-19-2006, 06:51 PM   #1
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Question Cobb vs PDX vs TDC...?

What is everyone elses opinion on this situation? I know that pdx and TDC "say" they can custom make you a map for your subi, all they need is a list of specifics like year, tranny, mods, and octane. The problem is that we all know how long it took Cobb to make their maps and all the revisions that were done to make them as strong and reliable as they are. How reliable can these maps be for the typical user who isn't going to get a custom protune/roadtune? I would really like to hear from people that have bought maps from either of the other two, since we all know what cobb is about. It just seems too good to be true... Or am I way off and about to get flamed... lol
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Old 06-20-2006, 08:05 AM   #2
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you're way off and about to get flamed...you need to do some searching

the piece you're missing is this: cobb's maps are made to be generic and to work on every car. this involves a lot of testing. protuned maps (like from pdx and tdc) are custom made and specific to your car.
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Old 06-20-2006, 08:38 AM   #3
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I'm got a PDX map...

I'm going to get a custom tune.

I'm not too happy with the PDX. They're customer service sucks!
I got my map and it wasn't working the way I thought it would. I'm supposed to be reaching 19psi but got a max of 17. So I emailed the rep a couple of logged runs (like he said to do) so he can take a look and tell me what's going on, and never got back to me.

So to summerize:
-got a pdx map
-car isn't too happy
-getting custom tune

Another weird thing about thier maps is that they give you a base map that's set to about 8psi and then you run a real time map that is supposed to do the preformance aspect of things
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Old 06-20-2006, 11:11 AM   #4
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Cobb maps are shelf maps that are generic. The TDC and PDX maps are more taylored to your car so should be safer and make more power. I know both TDC and PDX will work with you to fine tune your map after you get it. If you have a wideband installed you can really get the tune dialed down by TDC or PDX.
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Old 06-20-2006, 11:48 AM   #5
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I'd like to say I had a fairly positive but mostly neutral experience with PDX. When I was ready to spend money with them they were prompt via e-mail.

My map does not feel more powerful than the Cobb map, and to make matters worse, the car began backfiring between shifts (normal speed, not high speed) immediately. I flashed back to Cobb mapping and backfire was gone.

Alerted Tim my assigned map maker and he said it was weird. I sent many different ECU Explorer logs and he said they would revise the maps. Never heard back.

Get protuned... I feel my $150 was lost. I would only use PDX for a live tune. If your car is on the dyno, they won't leave you hanging like they can via e-mail!
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Old 06-20-2006, 12:02 PM   #6
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how long has it been since youve alerted them im curious
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Old 06-20-2006, 12:08 PM   #7
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I would be very weary of ANY "custom map" that doesn't ever come in contact with the tuner

All cars are different, one car may respond very differently to the same mods. Thus, unless you can get a custom tune, I'd stick with the cobb OTS maps
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Old 06-20-2006, 12:12 PM   #8
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i sent in my request on the 9th and i also sent in a couple logs and a few questions directly to tim. Have yet to get a response, but hopefully soon. I hear these guys do good work.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:39 PM   #9
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I have the PDX map in my 02, and have no problems with it. Pulls better than the cobb stage 2, 93 octane. They are very difficult to get ahold of, but it is because of this new product. Now that it is out, everyone wants it.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:42 PM   #10
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TDC has the same product. Does anyone know if they are "swamped" as well? Any experience with them on a stg 2 level?

I put in a pdx order but may cancel it due to the recent reports of lacking customer service. I'm seeing more and more posts about pdx not being able to offer support after the original maps are created. If you look at some of the posts, customer experiences are on totally 2 sides of the spectrum from when the product was new, till now. Maybe they should hire more help.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:47 PM   #11
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I sent a map request to PDX well over a month ago and never heard anything back at all. I have written them off at this point, my only concern is that they have my credit card info (it's part of the request form)...
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Old 06-20-2006, 02:44 PM   #12
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This is exactly what I wanted to know. Unless we have some off the wall setup that we need a general made up tune just to get to the dyno. Or go and get a custom tune on their dyno. I guess it really is too good to be true... I had hopes that I could get a reliable map that would account for a CAI with a few other bolt-ons..
Maybe in a couple years who knows though, they could find consistencies between mods and previouse tunes and release all sorts of maps like Cobb has done. But ya, they sound like they need some help on the customer service side... if only to speed up the process and keep up with the requests.
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Old 06-20-2006, 05:05 PM   #13
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refresh my memory...who is tdc again?
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Old 06-20-2006, 05:09 PM   #14
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refresh my memory...who is tdc again?

http://www.tdctuning.com/
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Old 06-21-2006, 08:20 AM   #15
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A lot of the us Legacy guys on the East Coast (right coast) hare using TDC and he has a lot of happy customers. Jon at TDC has also just hired an internet/sales person to help with turnaround time. Check out legacygt.com where TDC posts a lot for more feedback.

With that said I went with PDX because I was slightly more comfortable with their tuning skills. However, it took six weeks for the maps to show and I am about to send them my logs. I am very concerned it's gonna be months before I hear back on my logs. Jarrad himself though has recently jumped in to help with the turnaround time so I hope things are better now. Oh yeah, car is Stage 1 and pulls great, unfortunately after 1 month I've already gotten used to the power and need more .
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Old 06-21-2006, 12:48 PM   #16
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it's been 3+ weeks since my last e-mail which contained my maps. I had several questions also and those were not answered. Overall my satisfaction level is dropping, but I realize why. PDX was not ready for the mail-order map influx of business and the mechanisms are not in place with their company to handle it properly.

Would I get dyno tuned by PDX? Definitely.

Would I buy another mail order map, or recommend their mail order maps? Never in my life.
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Old 06-21-2006, 02:55 PM   #17
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so is this a correct assumption?...

PDX= above average tuning knowledge, lower than average customer service
TDC= averave tuning knowledge, above average customer service
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Old 06-21-2006, 03:23 PM   #18
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so is this a correct assumption?...

PDX= above average tuning knowledge, lower than average customer service
TDC= averave tuning knowledge, above average customer service

I would agree with most of that except I wouldn't say TDC (Jon) is an average tuner. He has guys running very fast times on his maps. With that said my feeling is he is a bit more aggressive with his tunes. Like I said earlier, check out legacygt.com/ There are lots of guys over there running his tunes with supportin 1/4 mile imes to back em up.
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Old 06-21-2006, 03:50 PM   #19
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great. looks like i may have to cancel my pdx order if i dont hear from them very soon and talk to Jon. i'll try to get ahold of pdx again. I'd like to stay with them but we'll see.

what is the pricing on tdc "custom" maps? for some reason i cant find it on the site.

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Old 06-23-2006, 09:19 AM   #20
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I'll chime in with my PDX experience as well (sorry if this is long). I bought a bunch of stuff from them all at the same time. The customer service seemed good at the beginning and the prices were certainly good. I got a TurboXS FMIC, FP EVOII 16G, TurboXS uppipe, Perrin short ram intake and a Walbro pump and let them know I would be using modded stock 800cc injectors. Most of my order came very quickly but the turbo took a bit longer due to some delayed parts coming from Japan to FP. No problems so far. I did have to keep calling for the maps since I wanted to have them ready when all the parts were ready to be installed. I wound up getting the turbo before the maps. A couple more calls and e-mails and my maps arrived. Being the overamibitious, adventurous sort I began the install myself. I got everything done and was installing the turbo when I discovered it didn't seem to quite fit right and the exhaust would not line up with the downpipe. At that point I was completely fed up and had the car towed to a very competent local tuner. He told me my uppipe was machined incorrectly so the turbo was sitting all wrong. I had him install a Perrin uppipe rather than wait to return the TurboXS peice. ONce everything was all buttoned up he loaded the PDX map and could barely get the car to run. It really bucked and generally sounded like it was on it's last legs. I had to have him custom tune the car and now it runs great. PDX took back the uppipe with no complaint but did say "We've been having a lot of problems with those" and when I mentioned my map did not work I did not get any offers to fix it, instead I got "Strange. Maybe he sent you the wrong map." I am sure they are competent tuners but I will stick with someone who can tune my car in person from now on.
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Old 06-24-2006, 05:40 PM   #21
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I would be very weary of ANY "custom map" that doesn't ever come in contact with the tuner

All cars are different, one car may respond very differently to the same mods. Thus, unless you can get a custom tune, I'd stick with the cobb OTS maps
Kyle, I cannot completely agree with you on this one as it depends on a case-by-case matter. In the case of running the stock turbo, I'm completely confident with PDX/TDC for delivering a solid map. I'm currently on my 3rd revision with my PDX map (18.4 psi tapering to 13.2, stock td04 ), and couldn't be happier with it in terms of partial throttle smoothness and overall power. It pulls like the proverbial raped ape.

Now if I was running some crazy turbo/injector/frankenstein setup that they had never tuned for before, I'd be pretty nervous with that option. Otherwise they have data from litterally hundreds of different setups to pull form as a starting point for the 1st basemap revision. Give them detailed logs and descriptions of what is going on, and things will get only better from there.

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Old 06-26-2006, 04:36 PM   #22
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I cant get them to e-mail me back for map revisions. I've since sold the car, but I'd like the next owner to benefit from the $150 I gave PDX for the maps.
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Old 06-26-2006, 05:16 PM   #23
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just got off the phone with forrest today. sounds like they have made some changes over there and things will be running smooth again very soon.

crossing fingers to get my map this week.
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:15 AM   #24
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I've waited 3 months now to hear back about revisions to my PDX maps (I'm getting a weird hesitation/stumbling under 3k RPM's when the car is cold). Sent them my logs twice, still nothing. Phoned them a few times, still waiting. I'm back running the Cobb maps b/c I was sick of the hesitation. The car runs fine with the Cobb maps so until I hear back from PDX, I won't be running their maps.
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I've waited 3 months now to hear back about revisions to my PDX maps (I'm getting a weird hesitation/stumbling under 3k RPM's when the car is cold). Sent them my logs twice, still nothing. Phoned them a few times, still waiting. I'm back running the Cobb maps b/c I was sick of the hesitation. The car runs fine with the Cobb maps so until I hear back from PDX, I won't be running their maps.
when is that last time you tried to contact them? Forrest said they just had a big change in the map dept 1.5 weeks ago. They have a new email address with i believe is maps@pdxtuning.com . I actually just emailed that email address 3 minutes ago, i'll post back with how long it took them to reply to it.
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