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Old 10-17-2001, 04:21 PM   #1
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Default No Impreza Makkinen Edition

Luckily Subaru never made a WRX/STI McRae or Burns edition, because now that Makkinen is driving they sure won't make a Makkinen Subaru edition. Maybe there is still hope for a STI 22B v2

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Old 10-17-2001, 04:34 PM   #2
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In the UK they did have a McRae edition, a Catalunya edition and a RB5 (Richard Burns #5) edition.

Mitsu made the Tommi Makinnen edition
Toyota made the Celica Carlos Sainz
Ford.... well Ford is just a Ford



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Old 10-17-2001, 04:52 PM   #3
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I thought the 22b was a salute to McRae...

Maybe I'm just silly...
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Old 10-17-2001, 04:56 PM   #4
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The WRC edition is supposedly going to sell for 26,000 United Kingdom Pounds. Errr $37,600 USD it's got cooler flared fenders, wing, wheels and more power... that would be the schiznit here in the states... though a bit steep, it looks awesome!
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Old 10-17-2001, 05:25 PM   #5
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the 22B wasn't a thing for McCrae, though he was given one.


As someone mentioned, I thought that the Catalunya was the McCrae version...and yes, the RB5 is the Richard Burns edition.
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Old 10-17-2001, 06:22 PM   #6
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The McRae plaque in those cars says Series McRae.

There was a big thread on the history of the 22B, but basically IIRC it was created to celebrate Subaru's victories in the WRC, not a specific driver's victories.
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Old 10-17-2001, 07:39 PM   #7
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DIdn't know about the plaque. But at least it is known as the 22B, so maybe they will do another one 22B Series Makkinen?!

I think McRae had to pay for his 22B, how silly is that.

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Old 10-17-2001, 08:10 PM   #8
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By coincidence 22B is hexadecimal for 555... the sponsor, funny, no?
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Old 10-17-2001, 10:24 PM   #9
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Didn't the Catalunya have to do with a McRae victory at the Rally of Catalunya? I think I read that somewhere, don't know what year it was, though.

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Old 10-18-2001, 01:00 AM   #10
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By coincidence 22B is hexadecimal for 555
not coincidence my friend the 22b is to commerate the success of the 555 WRC championships.

and since there was a McRae edition and a Burns edition, i'm sure there will be a Makinen edition.

the 22b, P1 (catalunya is a version of the P1, no?), UK300, etc are all special editions not related to a particular driver.

i have a jpg of the P1 catalunya, but its too big to upload
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Old 10-18-2001, 11:22 AM   #11
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Old 10-18-2001, 11:45 AM   #12
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Here's the list....

Series McRae - '95 (UK RHD)
"555" special edition - '95 (Europe LHD)
Catalunya Special edition - '96/'97 (RHD & LHD)
Terzo special edition - '98 (Europe LHD)
STi 22B - '98 (Japan/UK RHD)
Club Spec Evo2 (Aust.) - '98 (Aust. RHD)
RB5 (Richard Burns edition) - '99 (UK RHD)
Prodrive P1 - '99/'00 (UK RHD)
Prodrive UK300 - '01/'02 (UK RHD)


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Old 10-18-2001, 01:58 PM   #13
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not coincidence my friend the 22b is to commerate the success of the 555 WRC championships.

ummm, yeah... it also has a 2.2 litre boxer under the hood. of course, I would like to have been a fly on the wall for that hypothetical meeting with the 555 marketing people-

"We at Subaru would like to thank you for your sponsorship, and to commemorate our winning season by naming a version of the Impreza after your brand - well, the hexadecimal version of your brand name. Unless, of course, you could sell more cigarettes if it was called the Impreza 100101011"
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Old 10-19-2001, 01:30 AM   #14
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Here's the list....

Series McRae - '95 (UK RHD)
"555" special edition - '95 (Europe LHD)
Catalunya Special edition - '96/'97 (RHD & LHD)
Terzo special edition - '98 (Europe LHD)
STi 22B - '98 (Japan/UK RHD)
Club Spec Evo2 (Aust.) - '98 (Aust. RHD)
RB5 (Richard Burns edition) - '99 (UK RHD)
Prodrive P1 - '99/'00 (UK RHD)
Prodrive UK300 - '01/'02 (UK RHD)


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All those cars were just limited editions none of them are actually worthy of a rally car status, each unique, exciting and great to own in their own way.....but you also pay the price for them Subaru are not stupid!!!!

You want a real rally car to play with? That's what the WRX type RA was built for.............though I suspect you won't be able to import them?

I will be navigating for someone who has one of those specced up to group N rally level

I cannot wait I will be flollowing in my mums footsteps .......... or tyre marks

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Old 10-19-2001, 02:20 AM   #15
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If Makinen wins the championship, will there be

"Subaru Impreza WRX STi version2 typeRA TommiMakinenEdition V-limited Prodrive-style" ?.

that's too much
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Old 10-19-2001, 02:30 AM   #16
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You got the version wrong it will be a version 7
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Old 10-19-2001, 03:27 AM   #17
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I was wondering if the current one is considered ver7 or back to ver1.Officially it is just called STi. I put ver2 because i want him to win next year. Ver2 or Ver8 that will be.
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Old 10-19-2001, 03:33 AM   #18
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You have just successfully confused me there

Over here the STI is the version 7 just following on from that banana version 6 they had.
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Old 10-19-2001, 04:11 AM   #19
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Wish we had all those different versions over here.
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Old 10-19-2001, 05:50 AM   #20
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Nah, believe me that offensive yellow looking thing called an STI6 could be given a miss
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Old 10-19-2001, 09:10 AM   #21
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(dispelling the confusing about the name '22B', mainly)

The Story of the 22B

By modern standards, Subaru are a small vehicle manufacturer. The company was started in 1958 and is predominantly owned by Fuji Heavy Industries, a major Japanese industrial company.

For years, Subaru cars were the choice of farmers, throughout the world. The tough build quality and excellent four wheel drive system made them ideal for use on the land. It was not until the 1990’s that the excellent design and low centre of gravity of the flat four boxer engine, together with its symmetrically equal length drive train, began to be fully exploited in motorsport.

A young Colin McRae started his Subaru years in a Prodrive prepared Legacy Turbo and his success gave feed back to FHI for the design of the Impreza Turbo, or WRX as it is known in the southern hemisphere. What happened after that is legend and 1995 saw McRae and Derek Ringer become the first ever British World Rally Champions. Subaru have since taken the constructor’s title in all but one of the following years, with 1997 heralding the Peter Stevens designed Subaru Impreza WRC car on the world’s stages. All WRC drivers still today acknowledge this car as the most beautiful entrant in the WRC line up.

Although BAT failed to renew their sponsorship of the team at the end of 1998, the 555 years will always be remembered in motorsport. On any World Rally event, the crowds would be full of blue and yellow clothed fans. The 1999 and 2000 cars have retained the Sonic Blue and yellow livery although now with the Subaru “swoosh” and their lines and colour draw breath from all who see them in the flesh. Either for the first time, or the hundredth time. In 1998, Subaru declined a lucrative sponsorship deal, as it would have meant losing the Sonic Blue colour. Subaru Technica International, FHI’s in-house tuner, provided the bulk of the funding for the team.

1998 marked 40 years of Subaru and the marketing people in Japan wanted to celebrate the company’s success with a car like no other.

So was born the 22B.

The name itself is an enigma. Many journalists jumped to the mistaken assumption that 22 referred to the 2.2 litre engine and the B stood for Bilstein, the car’s suspension manufacturers. The truth is 22B is hexadecimal (number base 16, used in the coding of computer programmes where the letter A to F are used for the numbers 10 to 15) for 555.

To prove this, take a calculator and add the following into the memory…

2x16x16 = 512
2x16 = 32
B = 11

Total = 555

The technical specification of the car had to be a list of superlatives and the engineers at Subaru and Prodrive let their imagination run wild.

The engine was bored out to 2.2 litres, retaining the same stroke as the stock 2.0 litre engine. This had the effect of giving the car a torque curve that wasn’t even a curve. It is a steep climb and table like flat line, when plotted on a graph. The increase in mid range performance gives the car 70bhp more than its 2.0 litre brothers, at only 3,000 rpm. Such was the mid range power, that many respected journalists embarrassed themselves by stating that the car must produce over 350bhp. No 22B has broken the voluntary power limit, in standard form.

Although the engine still complied with the Japanese voluntary power limit of 276bhp, it is how and where it delivers this power that is so enjoyable… and the 22B delivers usable power like no other modern car. Its turbo is a large IHI VF23 roller bearing unit, providing huge volumes of compressed air, but with very low inertia properties. Its fuel rails are custom units, required to match the demands of such a highly tuned engine and the pistons are forged lightweight units, so as to minimise the weight of their 98mm bulk. Transmission is via the same gearbox as the STI IV type R, incorporating the driver adjustable viscous centre differential. The front and rear track were increased by 40mm and 80mm respectively. This was partially achieved by using BBS 17x8.5” wheels and by redesigning the rear suspension arms and driveshafts.

Most of the mechanical parts of a 22B are stock items on other Subaru cars, the 22B just uses the best of what was available. But the most interesting part is the shell.

Every car was hand made, starting with a lightweight 2 door WRX RA shell and then cutting off the rear arches. The new “blown” arches were welded in their place and the front of the car received similar appendages to cover to massive wheels and extra track. The dimensions of the car were now virtually identical to the car watched by millions, in the hands of Subaru’s new driver line up, Richard Burns and Juha Kunkkenhann. The rear spoiler has the same adjustable foil as the WRC car, for increasing down force on twisty tarmac events.

The brakes fitted were the standard Subaru 4 pot calipers with 292mm discs on the front and a new rear 2 pot caliper with larger vented disc on the rear. Both were painted in a bright red colour, looking very distinctive through the gold BBS wheels.

The car’s Bilstein suspension is the only part of the car that has not received universal acclaim, being designed for the smooth fast highways of Japan rather than the undulating B roads of Europe. Although the dampers carry a badge which says By Prodrive, Prodrive were quick to say the final spec was actually decided in Japan.

The interior of the car features a matt finished dash layout and specially embroidered seats. In front of the gear lever, a plaque denotes which of the initial 400 cars this particular one is.

I say initial as more than 400 were produced. A total of 426 were finally made. 3 cars are designated 000 and are owned by Colin McRae, Nicky Grist and David Lapworth, there is no number 13 and 24 cars were made for issue outside Japan. Of this 24, 16 came to the UK and were badged 22B Type UK and the other 8 went to the owners of Subaru concessions throughout the world. It is rumoured that a few of this final 8 went to private collectors, such as The Sultan of Brunei.
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Old 10-19-2001, 10:36 AM   #22
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hell.. give me one of em.. i'll show you what it's rally status is!!

the P1 is by far the best Roo ever produced.... oh i wish... wish.. wish.. we could get one here.. i'd rally the hell outta it....

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LOL I agree the P1 is fantastic, but for what you get would you really pay £31,500??????

No way!!!

That front lip would go first as well, no good for those leaps Ask any P1 driver, most have had to replace them!!!

Another major P1 gripe....the paintwork!!!! Its awful!

And (oh no not another one!!!) a lot of P1 owners have complained about piston number 3 or 4 going................my friend in Scotland has had his P1 off the road more times than on!!!!

I have driven a few and they are the ultimate Impreza for the road!!! I would still prefer the 22B though.

Nah the RA is best if you want to do some rallying, as little weight as possible and as much power

Jamie, are you over for the whole of the rally??? I can't wait its gonna be fantastic
Are you going to be doing a bit of rallying over here????

I am going to be navigating soon so could do with a few helpful pointers

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yeah Michelle...!!

i leave here the 16th and return in a couple of weeks...

we'll chat !

i got pointers for ya!!! make the driver crash on HIS SIDE... not the co driver side!!

speak later!
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bliu - thanks for clarifying.

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