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Old 08-03-2014, 12:08 AM   #1
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Hey all. I've got a 2011 wrx sedan. Only "performance" mods are Stage 1 AP tune, Mishimoto intake. Others are muffler delete, short shifter, lowered, wheels, suspension. I've never raced the car at a track of any kind and I don't street race. I baby the crap out of it.

Today, with 48k miles on the clock, I lost 3rd and 4th gear. I set off nice and easy in 1st and went into 2nd. Went up to maybe 2800 rpm and went into 3rd. As soon as I let the clutch out I could literally feel the gear fall apart. The rpms dropped. I thought maybe, just maybe, for some reason I didn't get it all the way into 3rd. Clutch in, shifter into neutral and back into 3rd. Rpms revved up but no power. 4th was the same way.

I had it towed to Subaru. I talked to the Subaru lady at the service desk about the warranty. I've never taken my car anywhere else and all services have been done on time. The lady looked up my car and said, "Well there is an alert on your car. Says it's been modified." I told her nothing I've done should have effected the transmission. They are going to tear into it on Monday.

My question is, what are the odds Subaru will deny the claim? Anyone else have about the same modifications and run into the same issue? I'm prepared for the worst, but hoping for the best.

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Old 08-03-2014, 01:56 AM   #2
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sounds like the car has already been flagged. chances are pretty good it'll get denied.

and yes, ECU reflash has a direct effect on the entire driveline.
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Old 08-03-2014, 04:14 AM   #3
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If I were the dealership, I'd try to deny the claim as well. Subaru though, has to prove the transmission's failure is from a direct result of the modifications. I know enough about cars to know any actual gains from an intake and a 91 oct stage 1 tune aren't enough to grenade the tranny. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Was hoping there is someone here who has had a similar situation with similar mods. I read somewhere on the forum someone had a transmission issue that was covered under warranty even though they were "stage 2." I'll keep my fingers crossed and find out Monday.
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Old 08-03-2014, 06:26 AM   #4
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Hey all. I've got a 2011 wrx sedan. Only "performance" mods are Stage 1 AP tune, Mishimoto intake. Others are muffler delete, short shifter, lowered, wheels, suspension. I've never raced the car at a track of any kind and I don't street race. I baby the crap out of it.

Today, with 48k miles on the clock, I lost 3rd and 4th gear. I set off nice and easy in 1st and went into 2nd. Went up to maybe 2800 rpm and went into 3rd. As soon as I let the clutch out I could literally feel the gear fall apart.
Gears don't just "fall apart" at 48k. It's funny how everyone that mods the car for more performance always claims they baby it after something breaks. I call BS.

Oh, and if your VIN is already flagged by SOA, well....
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OP for starters, the dealers do not try and deny a claim. They can't deny a claim if it is due to mods or abuse. Your VIN has already been flagged from the past, so chances are SOA is not going to cover it.

Gears just do not fall apart. Yes, they can go bad causing synchronization issues, but they do not just fall apart. Every time I have had someone say that to me, the car was ragged on, beaten and raced despite what the owner tried to tell me. The time slips and the sheered off teeth were the proof.

This is what will happen. The transmission will be torn down to inspect the damage to the gears. Why? Because SOA already knows what abused gears look like and that's what they want to know. Forget the mods causing the failure, they do not need to prove anything about that if there is clear evidence that the transmission was abuse.

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Old 08-03-2014, 11:43 AM   #6
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Hey all. I've got a 2011 wrx sedan. Only "performance" mods are Stage 1 AP tune, Mishimoto intake. l
there is no off the shelf map for that intake
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Old 08-03-2014, 03:05 PM   #7
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This is what will happen. The transmission will be torn down to inspect the damage to the gears. Why? Because SOA already knows what abused gears look like and that's what they want to know. Forget the mods causing the failure, they do not need to prove anything about that if there is clear evidence that the transmission was abuse.

Good luck.
Perfect. I doubt there will be any evidence of abuse. I was just afraid because the car was flagged they were going to deny it from the start. I've never had an issue with the car and never had to deal with warranty stuff so I wasn't sure what to expect.

I'm not saying the gear fell apart. I haven't torn into it so I have no idea what happened. That's just what it felt like. It's the best way I can describe it, I suppose. There was no bang, or clunk, or anything. Only thing I heard were the broken bits rolling around in the case.

For those doubting the way I drive my car, I get it. But I have no reason to lie to any of you. None of you are working on the car so I have no reason to try to sway you. I've never raced the car. Never even launched it. It's never seen redline. I actually get a lot of **** from the local subaru community for not treating my car the way others do. I've always been too afraid to break it. Lol. How ironic.

Big Rob, you are correct. The mishimoto intake is designed to be used with the stock tune. My stage 1 map is the one used with the stock airbox.

At any rate, I'll patiently wait and see.
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Old 08-03-2014, 03:10 PM   #8
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Perfect. I doubt there will be any evidence of abuse. I was just afraid because the car was flagged they were going to deny it from the start. I've never had an issue with the car and never had to deal with warranty stuff so I wasn't sure what to expect.

I'm not saying the gear fell apart. I haven't torn into it so I have no idea what happened. That's just what it felt like. It's the best way I can describe it, I suppose. There was no bang, or clunk, or anything. Only thing I heard were the broken bits rolling around in the case.

For those doubting the way I drive my car, I get it. But I have no reason to lie to any of you. None of you are working on the car so I have no reason to try to sway you. I've never raced the car. Never even launched it. It's never seen redline. I actually get a lot of **** from the local subaru community for not treating my car the way others do. I've always been too afraid to break it. Lol. How ironic.

Big Rob, you are correct. The mishimoto intake is designed to be used with the stock tune. My stage 1 map is the one used with the stock airbox.

At any rate, I'll patiently wait and see.

Never seen redline? Sell your car, what a waste.

Also, where did you hear that that intake is to be used with the stock tune?
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Old 08-03-2014, 04:37 PM   #9
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Never seen redline? Sell your car, what a waste.
Lol. If i race or redline the car I abuse it. If i don't, It's a waste.

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Also, where did you hear that that intake is to be used with the stock tune?
From Mishimoto...
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OP - why did you do the intake, tune, etc.
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Perfect. I doubt there will be any evidence of abuse. I was just afraid because the car was flagged they were going to deny it from the start. I've never had an issue with the car and never had to deal with warranty stuff so I wasn't sure what to expect.
I am not saying they won't deny it from the start. There is a possibility because your vin is flagged. That IS an issue. They may make you authorize the tear down to see how the gears failed.
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:55 PM   #12
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OP - why did you do the intake, tune, etc.
We're digressing a bit. But, I did it because from the research and other people's reviews, the stage 1 map smooths out a few things. That specific intake was chosen because it is safe to use with the stage 1 option that uses the stock air box configuration. I happen to like the way it looks and sounds also.

A few years down the road I had intended to do a build. (Was waiting until after the powertrain warranty expired) Until then I figured I'd do some little things to make it just a bit different than stock.
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:59 PM   #13
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I am not saying they won't deny it from the start. There is a possibility because your vin is flagged. That IS an issue. They may make you authorize the tear down to see how the gears failed.
If that's the case, I accept it, and I'll pay for it. I don't have a problem doing that. Was just wondering what I should expect. There will be no whining, crying, or arguing from me. Lol.
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If I were the dealership, I'd try to deny the claim as well. Subaru though, has to prove the transmission's failure is from a direct result of the modifications. I know enough about cars to know any actual gains from an intake and a 91 oct stage 1 tune aren't enough to grenade the tranny. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Was hoping there is someone here who has had a similar situation with similar mods. I read somewhere on the forum someone had a transmission issue that was covered under warranty even though they were "stage 2." I'll keep my fingers crossed and find out Monday.
Modification on it that adds power is a direct result. Say what you want about the car shouldn't grenade gears with that power level but it did. Hell give me a car that isn't mine and is ok for me to beat then I'll grenade it on stock power levels. Sorry dude looks like you gotta pay.
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Old 08-04-2014, 07:25 AM   #15
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Modification on it that adds power is a direct result. Say what you want about the car shouldn't grenade gears with that power level but it did. Hell give me a car that isn't mine and is ok for me to beat then I'll grenade it on stock power levels. Sorry dude looks like you gotta pay.

I am going to 2nd this. I've seen more than a couple of my friends break transmissions with stock engines. None were Subarus, but the same abuse would likely damage/break any transmission regardless of the manufacturer.
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:01 AM   #17
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I wasn't meaning to digress. Just to point out when folks (not you...I'm glad to read you are owning up to it) modify a car, it's to increase power or change how the power is delivered. Since that power isn't how Subaru designed it, it's not on them to warranty the breakdown.

Refreshing to read you owning up.
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:18 AM   #18
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Clutch in, shifter into neutral and back into 3rd. Rpms revved up but no power. 4th was the same way.
Sounds more like a clutch failure than a gear failure, I don't see how you could of broken two consecutive gears (3rd and 4th) at the same time..
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Not the clutch, as the other gears work.

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...198538p2.html?

Probably the 3/4 fork bit it.
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So here's where we get to see the system at work.

If it's indeed the fork, the fork isn't failing because of excess power. So do they make good on the warranty repair?

Me think not.
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Not the clutch, as the other gears work.

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...198538p2.html?

Probably the 3/4 fork bit it.
A slipping clutch will allow you to engage other gears and slip mostly on higher gears which is consistent with his description. We'll see.
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A slipping clutch will allow you to engage other gears and slip mostly on higher gears which is consistent with his description. We'll see.


That is not consistent with his description at all. He's not describing clutch slip.

If a clutch is starting to slip, it will begin to occur under heavier load. It will certainly not just feel like free-revving engine with no drive once you initially engage the gear at light/no load. And if it were a case of a destroyed clutch (with no warning mind you), it would certainly be slipping or not engaging in the remaining gears as well. He has no problem in the deeper 5th, remember? Completely silly.

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Old 08-06-2014, 08:28 PM   #23
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Update: Spoke with the dealership today. They said the propeller shaft failed, which made it impossible to engage 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and will "Likely be covered under warranty." They are waiting on an email from SOA just to be sure.

**Edit** Also, I specifically asked them if there were any apparent signs of abuse. They said no.

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propeller shaft failed???

i dont understand how this could or would affect the trans going into gear

im smelling something really stupid here
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I have no idea. I know nothing about transmissions. I've been researching and reading ever since I got off the phone with Subaru today. I'm still confused.
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