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Old 12-07-2001, 03:59 PM   #101
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"Check Engine Light"; the dealer has to pull the code to determine the cause of the CEL.

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I am new to the list and Subaru.

Please, what is a "CEL" code?

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Old 12-08-2001, 11:02 AM   #102
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Well, after 2 weeks of driving around with 35psi in the fronts and 31psi in the rears, I can say that the the tire pressure trick definitely works for me. The deceleration noise is almost completely gone. I only hear it in 2nd gear with the radio off. Otherwise, no noise at all.

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Old 12-08-2001, 11:12 AM   #103
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Well, after 2 weeks of driving around with 35psi in the fronts and 31psi in the rears, I can say that the the tire pressure trick definitely works for me. The deceleration noise is almost completely gone. I only hear it in 2nd gear with the radio off. Otherwise, no noise at all.

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Are you still running the RE-92 tires?
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Old 12-08-2001, 05:05 PM   #104
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Are you still running the RE-92 tires?

Yep, stock wheels, stock tires. About 10K miles.
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Old 12-08-2001, 05:10 PM   #105
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Yep, stock wheels, stock tires. About 10K miles.
I just put on Toyo Proxes (225-50/16). They transform the car. Lean is gone in the corners, much less understeer and the braking is hugely better.

I had them on my RX-7 Twin Turbo and loved them. They were better than the S-02's that I had.
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Old 12-11-2001, 01:10 PM   #106
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Default driveline deceleration noise 02 wrx

I have this noise too, since day one. I have over 16k miles now. I ran 17s w/yoko avs for summer and have stockers on now. Both sets of wheels/tires do this and I haven't expermiented with how tire pressures affect it yet.

I also noticed that after having the STi STS and knob installed I began hearing a rattle inside the car that exactly matched up with the deceleration noise.

I isolated this in-car noise to the little plastic ring that sits up against the shift knob on the lever. It holds the pseudo-leather cover/skirt thing up around the shift lever. If I even put my hand on the shift knob, the noise inside the car stops (but the driveline noise remains.)

This does seem to be some kind of resonating vibration within the driveline.

For what it's worth, I have a strangely similar noise under the same conditions in my 77 landcruiser only MUCH louder and scarier. Almost nothing on this truck is stock.

The noise happens in RWD as well as with hubs locked, but is really really loud with hubs and transfer case in 4x4.

I spent over 2k on transmission work and got almost another 2k worth of work done free to try and resolve the issue on my truck. Tranny rebuilt, driveshafts blanaced/bent for truness, new rear diff (limited slip - yay!), new clutch, resurfaced flywheel...everything was checked.

The shop owner eventually threw in the towel on this one. He simply couldn't fix it. It was a bit depressing too because he had kind of taken it on as a personal challenge and was sure he could figure it out.

I've learned to put up with countless annoyances in a completely hybrid 25 year-old truck, but it is pretty hard to swallow with a brand new car.

I guess the key question is will this create problems for us later?

Transmission problems suck! Especially when the dealer can try to say it's because you're a lousy driver or whatever. If I do take a dealer to task on this you can bet I'll take offense to any such comments. I tiptoe around this transmission and want it to last...I've driven hundreds of thousands of miles on manual transmissions so I'm pretty familiar with the way they work.

Come on SoA step up to the plate on this one! Happy customers generate more sales!

bumpity bump bump sorry for the long post, I like to hear myself type.

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Old 12-11-2001, 03:09 PM   #107
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Default the decel noise will be fixed by SOA by new clutch

people continue to post to this thread complaining about the decel noise. Those same persons ought to be directed to the thread that documents how SOA has replaced the clutch assembly with a redesigned unit in WRXs with this noise....

This is a warranty issue. SOA will fix it. New clutch assembly.... quiet car!!

See the thread:

i-Club Forums > i-Club General > Warranty Issues & SOA Problems > Decelleration noise fixed under warranty - new clutch assembly
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Old 12-11-2001, 05:49 PM   #108
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Bailey, you're one of the lucky ones. You have a good dealer. My dealer continues to say that the sound is normal, and that they haven't heard anything from SOA about a fix for the noise. I'm happy for you that you got the fix, but it wasn't from SOA - it was from your diligent dealer.
Wow! Your experience with the dealer is terrible.
You are absolutely right. The problem was solved by a diligent dealer. The repair and diagnostic process were physically undertaken by the tech at the dealer but were coordinated by subaru technical support.

The difference is that my dealer cared enough about my problem to call subaru tech and get some advice. Your dealer is likely too busy doing oil changes at 50.00 a pop to take the time or interest to solve your problem.

Call my dealer (the numbers are listed on the repair .gif) and find out who they talked to at subaru to investigate, diagnose, and resolve my problem.

I think they called subaru technical support. Perhaps this is different than other components of subaru of america (SOA). Its not unlikely that different components of subaru do not talk to each other.

I guess that i makes sense for SOA to check this clutch issue unofficial. If it were an official problem they might be stuck replacing every clutch in every WRX. I am sure some component of subaru knows of the problem and is willing to tell your dealer what to do. The challenge is to connect a motivated dealer with the right person/organization within subaru.

I have been eagerly awaiting the US arrival of the WRX STI. I had planned to buy one of these when they arrive in the states. My enthusiasm for this purchase is diminished by troubles such as yours. The success of the WRX is because of car enthusiasts. Our collective enthusiasm for subaru will not support future sales if they won't support us!!!

Best of luck

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Old 12-17-2001, 07:20 PM   #109
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Bailey is right - are we all spending as much time here on i-club as we are writing SOA about our problems? I'm not saying i-club isn't useful, it is incredibly useful, but we need to respond DIRECTLY to SOA as a community of customers.

I have written SOA about 4 times and they are always very polite and try to help, so I think a steady stream of *polite* but firm letters (if you are nice, they will have to take you seriously) will contribute to getting the attention this and other problems (ABS for example) deserve. If they blow you off with their first response, dont give up! - restate it, ask for someone higher on the foodchain or just keep the pressure on - but don't do a Darth Vader and let your anger control you. If we are professional, they will have to respond in kind.

If they had as many letters as there are i-club posts on this issue they just cannot ignore us. If that doesn't work (though I hope it does) we might politely point out how many potential WRX and RS owners come to this site and get to read about all of our troubles.

I'm sure many of you have, but for those who haven't, just go to www.subaru.com and click on the "Contact Subaru" link at the bottom left of the page and send them a note. Come on!
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Old 12-18-2001, 07:08 PM   #110
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Well,

I took my WRX in last week for the noise. They called me that night and said my car was ready to go. I asked them what was wrong and they said "absolutly nothing". So I went down on a Saturday to go pick it up. I asked the manager of the service department if I could take him for a test drive. He told me that they were under staffed on the weekend, so he couldn't go. He told me to come back on a weekday. So I went back this morning and went for a drive with the manager and a technician. He heard the noise right away and said that he didn't hear the noise when he drove it. On the way back it got even louder. So after an hour of waiting the manager told me that there was some loose bolts, they tightened them up, but the problem was still there. So I just called now and my transmission has been pulled out of my car and they are checking the pilot bearing, clutch plate, and throw out bearing. I will find out tomorrow what the problem is. But they took the time to go for a drive with me, and now they are fixing the problem.

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Old 12-18-2001, 07:35 PM   #111
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Hey Justin, sounds like you had a great time! What are these people thinking - that you are starving for attention or need new friends and thought Subaru mechanics were a good place to start? I'm going to my dealer Wednesday.

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Old 12-19-2001, 10:15 AM   #112
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Default RE driveline noise.

I wanted to add some of my experiance with our "noise" problem on over run. We had a pile of snow here a few weeks ago and as I was flogging around the over-run noise got louder and louder and eventually copuld be heard on decel or accel. every time I got to around 3500 rpm. I had many quattros that would do this as you loaded them up with snow and the drive train couldnt align it self properly (ice-packed). I think its interesting that it gets worse as the WRX gets loaded with snow. I think this kind of proves that there is a drive line bushing or alignment issue that Subaru needs to address. At the height of the snow packed noise it was as loud as the damn radio and very intrusive. I have 20,000 miles on my car and the noise is more annoying than ever. Any one in any other snowy area experiance this? Oh and my Subaru dealer says the noise is normal... but anyone who gets in the car that has any car background says "what the hell is that noise?"
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Old 12-19-2001, 10:23 AM   #113
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FYI - I took my WRX 5 sp wagon in today to deal with the decel noise. On the ride to the dealer it was doing it consistently, but of course, on the ride with the mechanic, it was quiet as a mouse! After the oil change, I took it for a ride and it got it started again. I grabbed the mechanic, took him for a ride and he heard it though it was more quiet than usual (Ahg!). They agreed to look at the transmission and I have an appointment Jan. 3 (their best tranny guys are on vacation). However, they are reluctant to pinpoint the transmission or clutch just yet and talked a lot about the heat shield.

Can anyone verify that there are indeed redesigned clutch parts, if so, what they are and how I can get my dealer to learn about them?

If any of you have trouble reproducing the noise, I did notice something. On the way home my car was making the decel noise like crazy - seems that coasting in 3rd or 4th at about 2 - 2500 rpms really gets it going, but only when the car is warm.
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Old 12-19-2001, 10:28 AM   #114
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but anyone who gets in the car that has any car background says "what the hell is that noise?"
Hey exquattro, my wife, the most unknowledgeable car person in the entire universe said the exact same thing - "What the hell is that noise" That's when I really knew it was a problem!: No snow yet in Connecticut, but I'll try it out.
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Old 12-19-2001, 10:55 AM   #115
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When my girlfriend was in the car and she asked me "what is that grinding sound?" I knew I had a problem, when a girl that can't even put gas in a car can notice a grinding sound.

But the dealership just called me, they ordered the throw out bearing, some other bearings, seal and gaskets kits, and a gasket for my exhaust, because I guess they ripped a gasket when they dropped my exhaust to take out the tranny.

They told me that I will not have my car for about two weeks, because they had to order the parts from Atlanta and with the holidays around, no car for a while.

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Old 12-19-2001, 07:28 PM   #116
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I had my WRX repaired with a new clutch a couple weeks ago and the car has been perfectly silent since. This is a known issue with a known fix from SOA, there is a redesigned clutch that addresses this issue!

Notice that someone from SOA had the dealer adjust the tire pressure as part of the diagnosis to see if in fact this was the know problem with the clutch and sure enough it was. (also, you might want to refer to my previous posts on this thread).

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Old 12-19-2001, 11:16 PM   #117
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I had to re-post after reading the comments about our girlfriends asking what that freaking noise is in our brand new cars..LOL Made me laugh. I did however do the tire test. The noise is less with 40 front and 36 rear. than it was with stock settings but the noise is still there and irritating. Now that I know its the clutch I can hardly wait to argue with my dealer for 2-3 weeks to get it fixed.
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Old 12-19-2001, 11:31 PM   #118
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Had it and got it fixed under warranty.
All thay did was ajust my shift linkage.
now the car shifs smother and no decell noise.
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Old 12-20-2001, 07:03 PM   #119
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Well, I can tell you that after reading this post, there is a noise problem. I noticed it about 3 weeks ago on my WRX when I had to make a quick dash to get around a truck. Punching it in 3rd gear for 3 seconds and letting off the gas produced this metallic grinding noise that just about had me calling Triple A for assistance. It threw me for quite a large loop considering my car was absolutely silent when I purchased it (4,200 mi. on it now).

I haven't called the dealership yet, but I am going to try it again and push up on the shifter (as Wheels suggested) while this noise is present and see if it takes care of the problem. I Started to notice it after being out in the desert camping after driving 20 miles on grated/washed out roads. It also makes this noise in 2nd gear.

I can't imagine that tire pressure would be something that affects this, but I will look into it. I run my RE 92s at 35PSI cold. I'll pump them up to 40 and see if there is any difference (besides the obvious stiffer ride). We should all hope it's just a link/shifter noise. I'll post my results this weekend.

Stay tuned....
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Old 12-20-2001, 07:55 PM   #120
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Default WRX Driveline Noises - To Be Fixed Under Warranty

Today, SOA instructed the dealer to replace the clutch assembly due to the following problems with my WRX:

- Rumbling drivetrain noise at 2800-3800 rpm (felt most in 2nd and in 3rd gear)

- Accompanying vibration that can be felt on the steering wheel, gear shift, and footwell

- Gear grinding noise under deceleration (felt most in 3rd gear)

- Chattering transmission noise while the car is idling in neutral. Noise goes away when clutch pedal is pushed in. Comes back when released.

The first three on the list are most noticeable when the windows are rolled up. They are easily heard inside the car.

Upon arriving at the dealership, I presented the problems to the service advisor both verbally and IN WRITING.

Not surprisingly, the advisor initially dismissed them as being "resonance noises" and that they were "normal." However, I was taken more seriously after he realized that I formally put the issues in writing.

The technician assigned to my car got on the phone with SOA Technical Support. The first instruction was to adjust the tire pressure on all 4 wheels and then test drive the car. The tech did as told and it reduced, but did not eliminate the noises.

Another phone call was made to SOA. This time, the tech was instructed to replace the clutch assembly. The parts were then placed on order. Unfortunately, I'll have to return at another time to complete the repairs. But at least a resolution was reached.

I'll post an update on the results. Happy Holidays everyone!
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Old 12-20-2001, 11:03 PM   #121
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I took the tech for a ride, it made the noise, not too loud. Told them about about the history, having the noise since the beginning.

Tech: "Lots of these cars have this noise"

Service Manager: "It's a normal noise"

Me: "No, call subaru tech line"

SM: "Well, your warranty is void because you have lowering springs on the car"

Me: "BS on the warranty being void. Call Subaru tech"

SM: repeat

Me: repeat

Etc. for ~5 minutes


Ended up having them write it down, and took off. :monkey:

Called SOA, with Bailey's invoice ##.

They called me at work, changed their tune.....asked all the questions subaru tech gave them to ask.

Will bring it in after new years for a proper diagnostic and fix.

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Old 12-21-2001, 10:12 AM   #122
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Old 12-21-2001, 10:04 PM   #123
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We had the same problem!! (3rd greer grinding)
The Dealership fix it under warranty.
They found the shifter linkage out of adjustment, so
they readjusted it. Now there is no more deceleration
noise and the shifting is smoother. (This was caught
early.)
I read about someone getting new clouch replacement
parts. When the dealership replaces those parts, they
probably adjust the shift linkage.
Just a thought.

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Old 01-03-2002, 02:39 AM   #124
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I bought my WRX on Dec 7th, it has 1700 miles, I've never noticed the noise, I don't *think*.

What I have noticed is a grumbling/shaking/clanking type noise which I *thought* was the awd complaining because I was taking a turn too tight (once was a u-turn and the other was a fast turn in the rain resulting in understeer/floating to the side). Is that noise a separate noise, or is that what you guys are all talking about.

So far I definitely have the clutch thing, just curious what this noise I heard was. I've only heard it twice, once in 1st gear for the uturn (no idea if i was decelerating or not, and the other in 2nd or 3rd around the turn).

KTB

Oh, I should mention that the sound was coming from the back middle part of the car, and sounded very similar to the sound that a pickup I drove made when doing U-turns in 4wd.

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Old 01-03-2002, 06:11 AM   #125
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KTB:

Do the U-turn again and see if you get the noise. If you do, have it checked.
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