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Old 06-29-2006, 10:53 AM   #1
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--Well Ive been doing some research on the Haltech EMS E6x. Im definitly thinking of getting one...I have alot of needs when it comes to a stand alone and the Haltech E6x seem to offer them...Things like Turbo Timer,Boost Control,antilag can all be easily configured in to the system...

--Im obviously a newb when it comes to engine managment,and the E6x seems to be really user friendly.I am kind of curious why its not so popular among the Subaru community...The E6x offers all types of Subaru options...Maybe Im such a newb to it Im missing something,feal free to enlighten me...

--Anyways Ill dub this the official Haltech E6x thread...Maybe generate some topics and even some intrest in the system...My Rotory buddies have been using it for years with nothing but success and good reveiws,so I hope Im stirring a pot worth stirring....

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Old 06-29-2006, 12:44 PM   #2
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It looks like a decent stand alone.

The biggest reasons I can see why it wouldn't be as popular as a Hydra is support, tuning, and I also didn't see anything about this car controlling drive-by-wire vehicles (scanned the manuals and wiring diagram, but I could be wrong).

Give it a shot if you like. When Phil sends somebody a Hydra, it comes with a pre-loaded map for your setup, plus tons of support if you have issues. I haven't seen anybody using this, so support may be minimal.
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Old 06-29-2006, 08:01 PM   #3
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There is alot of support for it....Just not amoung the Subaru community.From everything I hear parts and repairs are easy to find...Keep in mind,It was referred to me by my rotory friends,and they don't have drive by wire...So I definatly did't take that into consideration. Tuning the system would primarly be done by me,I would on the other hand need a baseline map...So if I have a problem finding one of those,I may change my mind.....But the drive by wire is something I need to look into,Thanks for the heads up....I was hoping Phil might come in here and shed a bit of unbias light on the situation...

Do Hydra's support Rotory motors?
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Old 07-04-2006, 07:52 PM   #4
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Do Hydra's support Rotory motors?
Maybe in custom applications. It has the RX-8 listed as "Under Developement"
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:19 PM   #5
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--Well Ive been doing some research on the Haltech EMS E6x. Im definitly thinking of getting one...I have alot of needs when it comes to a stand alone and the Haltech E6x seem to offer them...Things like Turbo Timer,Boost Control,antilag can all be easily configured in to the system...

--Im obviously a newb when it comes to engine managment,and the E6x seems to be really user friendly.I am kind of curious why its not so popular among the Subaru community...The E6x offers all types of Subaru options...Maybe Im such a newb to it Im missing something,feal free to enlighten me...

--Anyways Ill dub this the official Haltech E6x thread...Maybe generate some topics and even some intrest in the system...My Rotory buddies have been using it for years with nothing but success and good reveiws,so I hope Im stirring a pot worth stirring....
After looking into it, it looks like it would be perfect for my application. What really interests me is that it looks like it would be easier to rewire my whole car using the haltech. The Trim Module would allow me to control the fuel trims or boost if I needed to. And I can use their ignition coils which I suspect are alot better than the ones subaru gave my 98 RS.

It is also alot cheaper than a hydra, alittle harder to tune though.

Reasons its probably not big in the North American Subaru Community:
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:07 PM   #6
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By that you mean....You have to rewire everything....Ahh ya I guess that be a goo reason as well

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Old 07-11-2006, 04:13 PM   #7
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It has the RX-8 listed as "Under Developement"
Yea that would be the same thing.....I wonder how long of a wait on it...Im curious now
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Old 07-11-2006, 10:47 PM   #8
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Rotarys are one of Haltech's biggest markets.

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Old 07-11-2006, 11:31 PM   #9
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[color=Blue][size=7][font=Times New Roman]I have 2 Haltech E6x computers I had hoped to install on my 2.5L Subaru engine which has 2.2L Subaru heads (high CR). There is no provision for knock sensing and igniton control to stop it. I absolutely cannot put this engine on a dynamometer. I need some advice here please.
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[color=Blue][size=7][font=Times New Roman]I have 2 Haltech E6x computers I had hoped to install on my 2.5L Subaru engine which has 2.2L Subaru heads (high CR). There is no provision for knock sensing and igniton control to stop it. I absolutely cannot put this engine on a dynamometer. I need some advice here please.
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Who's your support? What did Haltech say?
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I have 2 Haltech E6x computers I had hoped to install on my 2.5L Subaru engine which has 2.2L Subaru heads (high CR). There is no provision for knock sensing and igniton control to stop it. I absolutely cannot put this engine on a dynamometer. I need some advice here please.
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Proper tuning will get you to max cylinder pressure without fear of knock. You need to find a local (or fly in) tuner that will either help you with your wiring, tuning, or setup. If the hardware (wiring, engine setup etc) is not set up properly, there is nothing you can do to fix it in the tuning.

I would contact your local haltech distributor or haltech usa directly to find out if they have a plug in loom for the WRX. I do know they support subies with their interceptor, but I'm not certain if they have a full out plug in loom. A quick phone call would definatly be worth in IMHO.
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--Well Ive been doing some research on the Haltech EMS E6x. Im definitly thinking of getting one...I have alot of needs when it comes to a stand alone and the Haltech E6x seem to offer them...Things like Turbo Timer,Boost Control,antilag can all be easily configured in to the system...

--Im obviously a newb when it comes to engine managment,and the E6x seems to be really user friendly.I am kind of curious why its not so popular among the Subaru community...The E6x offers all types of Subaru options...Maybe Im such a newb to it Im missing something,feal free to enlighten me...

--Anyways Ill dub this the official Haltech E6x thread...Maybe generate some topics and even some intrest in the system...My Rotory buddies have been using it for years with nothing but success and good reveiws,so I hope Im stirring a pot worth stirring....

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Is it because you already have them? What exactly was it you were wanting to do that hydra or Link for that matter couldn't do? Yeah I've messed with Haltech and mainly the reason we used it on the rotaries was because they were one of the first to do staged fuel injection and so everyone started using them. But please don't confuse the success that haltech has had with rotory's as a reason to use them on a subaru...

I kinda put haltech in the same boat as Microtech, autronic, and Link...

Hydra and AEM are more in a league of their own. The only exception is the Link 44s that was a direct board replacement for the factory ECU in the MY02/03 WRX's. You can pick those up pretty cheap, If it were me I would try to use the Link if cost were a limiting factor otherwise you would want to do Hydra. that is if Hydra is available for your application.

I think I've heard one other person on this board use a Haltech... And if I remember knock sensor wasn't available... I dunno maybe it was an e6k or something.
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After looking into it, it looks like it would be perfect for my application. What really interests me is that it looks like it would be easier to rewire my whole car using the haltech. The Trim Module would allow me to control the fuel trims or boost if I needed to. And I can use their ignition coils which I suspect are alot better than the ones subaru gave my 98 RS.

It is also alot cheaper than a hydra, alittle harder to tune though.

Reasons its probably not big in the North American Subaru Community:
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No plug and play harnesses
Lack of support.
rewire the whole car? Man if you are going to do that you definitely need to do the hydra over haltech. trying to get a base map for a suby motor may be easy, but when you start changing injectors and turbo's and fuel pressure regulators and the like you will have tons of questions and you'll post them on here and get no responses, then you'll post over on the rx7club.net and get no responses... Been there done that...
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rewire the whole car? Man if you are going to do that you definitely need to do the hydra over haltech. trying to get a base map for a suby motor may be easy, but when you start changing injectors and turbo's and fuel pressure regulators and the like you will have tons of questions and you'll post them on here and get no responses, then you'll post over on the rx7club.net and get no responses... Been there done that...
Why would you do that? Just make a harness to adapt it. Take a ecu and depin its connector and just repin it to what you need and wire it into the haltech. I would understand if you are swaping motors but your just puting a stand-alone on a motor that is going to stay in that car.
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rewire the whole car? Man if you are going to do that you definitely need to do the hydra over haltech. trying to get a base map for a suby motor may be easy, but when you start changing injectors and turbo's and fuel pressure regulators and the like you will have tons of questions and you'll post them on here and get no responses, then you'll post over on the rx7club.net and get no responses... Been there done that...
Wrong. The tuning with the Haltech is very straight forward. Since it is going to be a race car, I won't need all of the features of the Hydra. Also, the hydra doesn't enable me to use new coils and I'll need those to have a good strong spark with all the ethanol I'll be pumping into the engine. I also won't need the hydra boost control, can't really control boost with a supercharger other than using your right foot or changing pulleys.

That and it seemed the Haltech had decent control for staged fuel injection, as 4 injectors won't be enough. And I already mentioned it'll be much easier to rewire the car as Haltech actually gives me a wiring diagram. Sorry but Hydra support for N/A subies is poor. They don't even have a harness for my car.
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Wrong. The tuning with the Haltech is very straight forward. Since it is going to be a race car, I won't need all of the features of the Hydra. Also, the hydra doesn't enable me to use new coils and I'll need those to have a good strong spark with all the ethanol I'll be pumping into the engine. I also won't need the hydra boost control, can't really control boost with a supercharger other than using your right foot or changing pulleys.

That and it seemed the Haltech had decent control for staged fuel injection, as 4 injectors won't be enough. And I already mentioned it'll be much easier to rewire the car as Haltech actually gives me a wiring diagram. Sorry but Hydra support for N/A subies is poor. They don't even have a harness for my car.
boy I guess I missed the supercharging part... I did see the NA, but didn't see supercharging.. I won't bother asking why or what you are racing in..

If you are staging injectors I suppose I might look at a haltech....

I kinda figured you were going to drive this normally...

also, there is a harness for your car... around about.. I would use the WRX harness and then use the hyrda from there. Offers more flexibility for future changes. Once you wire for haltech that's it. If you just re-wire and install WRX 2.0 harness then you get a big variety of plug-in after market EM.

just a thought.

To be honest if you are only supercharging I would do Microtech over Haltech... just my opinion...
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boy I guess I missed the supercharging part... I did see the NA, but didn't see supercharging.. I won't bother asking why or what you are racing in..

If you are staging injectors I suppose I might look at a haltech....

I kinda figured you were going to drive this normally...

also, there is a harness for your car... around about.. I would use the WRX harness and then use the hyrda from there. Offers more flexibility for future changes. Once you wire for haltech that's it. If you just re-wire and install WRX 2.0 harness then you get a big variety of plug-in after market EM.

just a thought.

To be honest if you are only supercharging I would do Microtech over Haltech... just my opinion...
Never heard of Microtech, I'll have to look into that. The only thing I am racing is myself, as a hobby. But I want engine response, something turbo's seriously lack unless you reduce your power goals. So its custom intake manifold + supercharger for me.

Alot of people think the supercharger idea is crazy, its always "Well you can make more power with turbo". However the lag penalty at every corner really irks me, throttle response is what I crave out of a car. This car will not be a daily driver, it'll be trailered to the track and I'll have something else for a daily (hopefully a Diesel Legacy).
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Never heard of Microtech, I'll have to look into that. The only thing I am racing is myself, as a hobby. But I want engine response, something turbo's seriously lack unless you reduce your power goals. So its custom intake manifold + supercharger for me.

Alot of people think the supercharger idea is crazy, its always "Well you can make more power with turbo". However the lag penalty at every corner really irks me, throttle response is what I crave out of a car. This car will not be a daily driver, it'll be trailered to the track and I'll have something else for a daily (hopefully a Diesel Legacy).
There are a lot of people that use microtech over on the rx7club.net. 10secrx7 is an aussie that knows the most... actually the fastest WRX, rigioli brothers use the microtech lt8 units.

also, I think you will be seriously disappointed w/ the results of a supercharged WRX. Unless you are going w/ a positive displacement supercharger you won't get throttle response from either turbo or centrifigal unit. I'm assuming you are going w/ a big centrigal supercharger... and that's what we are talking about? There's now way a Positive displacment will make enough power down low on a 4 cylinder. Not enough to justify the pick over a turbo...

And to make a point.. the only time you will have a problem is when taking off in first, all the rest of the time your in boost switching gears and in boost.

If you want throttle response then you need a 6 cylinder at least.
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Looking into the Microtech, it does use aftermarket coils, thats a plus. It has support for WRX which means ignition triggers should be pretty close to the same. But its lack of ability to do staged injection will keep me from what I am trying to do.
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There are a lot of people that use microtech over on the rx7club.net. 10secrx7 is an aussie that knows the most... actually the fastest WRX, rigioli brothers use the microtech lt8 units.

also, I think you will be seriously disappointed w/ the results of a supercharged WRX. Unless you are going w/ a positive displacement supercharger you won't get throttle response from either turbo or centrifigal unit. I'm assuming you are going w/ a big centrigal supercharger... and that's what we are talking about? There's now way a Positive displacment will make enough power down low on a 4 cylinder. Not enough to justify the pick over a turbo...

And to make a point.. the only time you will have a problem is when taking off in first, all the rest of the time your in boost switching gears and in boost.

If you want throttle response then you need a 6 cylinder at least.
hehe, First, I am building up a 98 2.5RS. Second I am putting a Twin-screw supercharger after the throttle body. That'll exit into a custom intercooler and custom intake manifolds. Throttle response will not be a problem and boost will be in the low 20s. Going through corners I will not be in boost, so coming out of corners is where I want to eliminate lost time.

My g/f has a Stage 2 WRX, and it is sad in the corners on throttle response. I've noticed the same thing from a stage 2 STI. My RS feels much better in the corners, possibly a combination of a N/A engine and a weight advantage of over 500lbs. BTW the WRX has a better suspension than the STI in this comparison.
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hehe, First, I am building up a 98 2.5RS. Second I am putting a Twin-screw supercharger after the throttle body. That'll exit into a custom intercooler and custom intake manifolds. Throttle response will not be a problem and boost will be in the low 20s. Going through corners I will not be in boost, so coming out of corners is where I want to eliminate lost time.

My g/f has a Stage 2 WRX, and it is sad in the corners on throttle response. I've noticed the same thing from a stage 2 STI. My RS feels much better in the corners, possibly a combination of a N/A engine and a weight advantage of over 500lbs. BTW the WRX has a better suspension than the STI in this comparison.
I hear ya.. I have an 03 cobra and love the PosDis supercharger, But I still can't see why the supercharger would be better. I have VF22 on my wrx and and the only time I have a problem w/ boost is on take off, or when taking off from a cruise. Once I'm above 3200RPM I'm at 20+ boost on pump gas...

The microtech does do staged injection. When you order th microtech unit you just have to tell microtech that you want staged injection available. I personally like the staged injection setup on the microtech's.

The problems w/ microtech staged injection is when you have 600cc primaries and 1600cc secondaries.. it can be done but is tricky? if you had same size injectors would be easier to tune. Microtech's come preconfigured, but can be custom setup before delivery. easy street uses them.

the boost control on WRX is better w/ apexi unit than the factory setup in my opinion though. I wouldn't use hydra for boost control either.

Also if boost is a concern on corners the Link ECU has antilag feature built into it. basically dumps fuel and post ignition to spool the turbo. It really heats the turbo up but it's what the WRC cars use. It's what causes their cars to pop when going into a turn.


btw what compresson ratio are you going to run?
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