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Old 07-03-2006, 04:57 PM   #51
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Built 2.8L with a GT42r. 35k under budget
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Old 07-03-2006, 04:58 PM   #52
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i think this guy can do it.
mike moran can get 2200 whp from a small block chevy. if you take 4 cylinders away thats 1100 yay~!
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Old 07-03-2006, 04:59 PM   #53
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Old 07-03-2006, 05:40 PM   #54
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Over 3 builds I have about 90k into my RS
I would never admit that.
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Old 07-03-2006, 06:02 PM   #55
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As far as cooling goes....run it on alcohol....just the drag guys do. No cooling needed.
Couldn't you just run hardcore alky injection with high compression, advanced timing, 35lbs of boost and 12k revs? Duh, just build a cast iron closed deck 3.0 liter 4 banger that breaths fire and runs on the blood of virgins. But literally, that is going to cost him a lot more than 50 grand. It's possible on a unlimited budget, anythings possible. And street legal goes out the window when words like subaru and 1000whp get mixed together.
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Old 07-03-2006, 06:30 PM   #56
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if this idea does work out i wanna see video and dyno chart...watch out ams..
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Old 07-03-2006, 07:21 PM   #57
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I want a BJ and a million dollars and thow in world peace too. I want it in 2 weeks and I'll give you $50000. What an idiot. That kind of power take lots of R&D on a new motor platform and alot more money than $50000. The rest of the driveline will need countless thousands of dollars to support that kind of power when you do get there. If that's what he wants then he would be better off starting with a platform that has shown to support that kind of power. It isn't cheap being a pioneer. I do think 600+ would be relatively doable for that kind of cash with a H6 conversion fully built.
bahaha I like how you used BJ and world peace both as examples!...how hard is it for you to get one LOL...j/k...yeah I agree on the pioneer thing...well said
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Old 07-04-2006, 01:49 AM   #58
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Not for $50K.
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:11 AM   #59
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EZ30R sleeved and bored out (forged internals & long rod too), built heads, GT47R, intke manifold (exhaust duh) and then all the supporting mods (fuel pumpS, injectors, rails, etc)....NOS to help make it easier
drivetrain should be interesting...
50k with hook ups and doing the work himself = possible
50k paying someone to do it = not very likely (R&D isn't cheap)
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:56 AM   #60
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I don't believe that that is a realistic goal for any subaru with that kind of budget, and I can't imagine why you would want something like that. If you want that kind of power for less $50k you'd might as well switch vehicles. It would be a lot easier to use a viper or a Z06. a Large displacement, high reving turbo motor would do the trick, although I wouldn't think it could be had for so cheap. Why does it have to be 1000whp? Is the 900whp car they have too slow?
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:03 PM   #61
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EZ30R sleeved and bored out
Doe's it really even need to be sleeved and bored out?
I got almost 700whp without sleeving the 2.5 4cyl. So wouldnt 1000 be possible in the 3.0 with just pistons and rods on the bottom end? Maybe not. Just thinking how to keep the budget down.
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:17 PM   #62
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yea i would think a ez30r with built internals, heads and a gt42r or gt47r will be more than enough for 1000awhp.
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:30 PM   #63
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How would you fuel this beast? How about cooling it? I'd like to see it when it's done in two months.
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:31 PM   #64
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the biggest prob in all honesty wouldn't be the motor issues (we allready have broken the 800whp mark) as so much the fact the transmission which quite simply suck would NEVER hold that, built, frozen,whatever.....maybe if you went built auto rwd via adapter plate....
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:44 PM   #65
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Doe's it really even need to be sleeved and bored out?
I got almost 700whp without sleeving the 2.5 4cyl. So wouldnt 1000 be possible in the 3.0 with just pistons and rods on the bottom end? Maybe not. Just thinking how to keep the budget down.
yeah, sleeve's wouldn't be needed but would be as insurance...but since cost is an issue...
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Old 07-04-2006, 03:46 PM   #66
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i think this guy can do it.
mike moran can get 2200 whp from a small block chevy. if you take 4 cylinders away thats 1100 yay~!
yeah, but for how much?...how long has he been trying/R&D?
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Old 07-04-2006, 09:56 PM   #67
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lol i didn't even read the budget part
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Old 07-04-2006, 10:38 PM   #68
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$50,000.00 why not just buy a supra
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:19 AM   #69
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I think the H6 can do it, given time. But I want to see the clutch that can handle it......Then the tranny.....then the axles.......

I watched a Camero shear off all the lug nuts today at PIR...........
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:25 AM   #70
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bahaha I like how you used BJ and world peace both as examples!...how hard is it for you to get one LOL...j/k...yeah I agree on the pioneer thing...well said
Been married for 15 years, they stopped after she said "I do". Apparently that is womens code word for "I don't"
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I think the H6 can do it, given time. But I want to see the clutch that can handle it......Then the tranny.....then the axles.......

I watched a Camero shear off all the lug nuts today at PIR...........
agreed...and even if you had all that going for you better find a way to keep the trans case from flexing. I would have to agree with the supra comment...I have both the 2jz and the ej20 let suby's do what suby's do best and the big inline six crowd do their mechanical doom on wheels routine.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:14 AM   #72
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Some very interesting info in this thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1038296

Here's a couple key points:

"This is a stock H6 motor except for the addition of Supertec Forged H6 8:1 CR pistons. The stock valve train components are a very limiting factor in pushing the motor, so this initial tune is just to help develop maps."

"Given the valve train limitations (the exhaust valve springs are only 15 lbs), I didnít want to push the boost up above 14psi. I started at about 8psi, which quickly netted about 330whp. Upping to 10psi netteted 370whp, and 12psi over 400whp. At about 13psi, I was able to get ~420whp and about ~400 ft-lbf torque. I was very happy to get 400whp at only 12psi on pump 92 octane without the motor even breaking a sweat. At this low boost level, I could run AFRs anywhere from 11.1 to 12.5:1 without knock. "

"Here you can see the injector duty cycle, boost, and knock levels. With a peak injector duty of about 55%, 100% duty would be in the theoretical 730-750whp range. " <<Now throw in alk injection and you could be getting in the ball park, no?
Hey, that's me!

The topic of 1000whp has been something we have been discussing for some time. Adding something like Alky injection only allows the engine to make the most of the available air, not create horsepower where additional air is not available.

With the H6 at 3.0L, there are two limiting factors that make 1000whp challenging. First, the longer stroke puts some limits on RPM (as does the VERY heavy variable lift buckets). The second is of course the amount of boost you would need.

As a rough calculation, 3.0Ls at 85% eff at 6500rpm at 40psi yeilds about 70 lbs/min of air. Using something around 10-11hp/lb/min of air gets you about 700hp.

If you jump the boost to 50psi, you are talking about 80lb/min, or a bit over 800hp.

You would then need a turbo that can flow that kind of air at those pressure ratios. A 40 couldn't do it, but a 42R could. You would be at the top of the PR map at 50psi, but still workable. If you then added a 200 shot of NOS, you would be in the right ballpark.

If you really wanted 1000hp with no NOS, you would need something on the order of 60psi at 7000 rpm, which would be very very hard to do on any normal turbo. Even looking at a GT60, there is not enough PR height.

If you could rev to 8000rpm at 45psi, you would be at 90+ lb/min, which might be tweakable to 1000hp.

If you could increase VE at high RPM to 92%, 8000 rpm at only 40psi would be close to 1000hp, and right on the GT42 map.

Just some food for thought. Even with a turbo, displacement makes a big difference.

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Old 07-06-2006, 01:23 AM   #73
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Hey, that's me!

The topic of 1000whp has been something we have been discussing for some time. Adding something like Alky injection only allows the engine to make the most of the available air, not create horsepower where additional air is not available.

With the H6 at 3.0L, there are two limiting factors that make 1000whp challenging. First, the longer stroke puts some limits on RPM (as does the VERY heavy variable lift buckets). The second is of course the amount of boost you would need.

As a rough calculation, 3.0Ls at 85% eff at 6500rpm at 40psi yeilds about 70 lbs/min of air. Using something around 10-11hp/lb/min of air gets you about 700hp.

If you jump the boost to 50psi, you are talking about 80lb/min, or a bit over 800hp.

You would then need a turbo that can flow that kind of air at those pressure ratios. A 40 couldn't do it, but a 42R could. You would be at the top of the PR map at 50psi, but still workable. If you then added a 200 shot of NOS, you would be in the right ballpark.

If you really wanted 1000hp with no NOS, you would need something on the order of 60psi at 7000 rpm, which would be very very hard to do on any normal turbo. Even looking at a GT60, there is not enough PR height.

If you could rev to 8000rpm at 45psi, you would be at 90+ lb/min, which might be tweakable to 1000hp.

If you could increase VE at high RPM to 92%, 8000 rpm at only 40psi would be close to 1000hp, and right on the GT42 map.

Just some food for thought. Even with a turbo, displacement makes a big difference.

Jeff
So, do you think you could do this for $50k

Maybe a large twin-turbo design. Twin GT35R's maybe?
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:43 AM   #74
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I know which vendor this is coming from, I spoke with them about a week ago and this was brought up so I'll chime in, but since Unabomber does not disclose who, I won't either, in regards.

BUT, as keanie says, a twin-turbo design could be called for possibly.. I know I've seen a couple custom built EJs with a twin turbo design, not to say that they'd make a whopping load of power like what this guy wants.. but its a start towards something. If Supra's can do it on an Inline-6, then can it be done on an H-6, sleeved and closed? These guys are highly reputable and based on that and my experience, can imagine they're well up to the ask as they seem. As usual.
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Old 07-06-2006, 02:00 AM   #75
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mm..k for jokes I had an idea..

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/turbo_thumper.htm

By the time this baby spooled up................ yeah, it wouldn't spool up. Ever.
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