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Old 04-09-2001, 03:36 PM   #1
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Question Laser jammer group buy?

While a Valentine 1 is a great tool against radar, there are some situations where it merely lets you know you have just been busted by laser. While it has saved my butt, I've also had 2 laser tickets in the last 3 years. Ouch. Luckily one was in Canada, and the other I was able to get dismissed, now that I have a WRX I know that a big laser ticket is just around the corner.

A company local to me makes the Lidatek LaserEcho -- which jams laser for 5 seconds when it detects it. It seems to do very well in tests.

They aren't cheap - MSRP is $349 (almost as much as V1) but it jams the laser long enough for you to slow down, then allows the cop to get a reading of your slower speed.

How many people would be interested in a group buy? For more details on the unit, PM me or look at <A HREF="http://www.lidatek.com/echo.html">Lidatek's website.</A>

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Old 04-09-2001, 04:08 PM   #2
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I read about this before. It seems to be very effective.
It's better that just bending or tilting you license plate downward.
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Old 04-09-2001, 04:42 PM   #3
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Check your state/local laws before buying a LASER or RADAR jammer. Some RADAR jammers and kits are federally illegal and so powerful that they're potentially dangerous. Since LASER is not powerful enough to bother the naked eye even close up, it would not take anything dangerous to jam it. However, you may run afoul of ordinances against jamming police speed equipment. I don't know of a source with direct information, but you could start at www.speedtrap.com. Another neat site is http://users.nexet.net/askacop/radar.htm.

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Old 04-09-2001, 04:59 PM   #4
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I don't actually think this is a big issue, I just thought I'd post for caution (see eastern Canada info on FAQ page on Lidatek's site).

If anyone near Chittenden County, Vermont gets one of these, I would be happy to test its effectiveness with my department's LTI 20/20 laser. No kidding. We'll check it at several ranges and speeds (no, you can't break the speed limit - we'll use a couple of local roads and the interstate). Email me at themutt@iname.com

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Old 04-09-2001, 06:21 PM   #5
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The jammer I want is the Blinder M-10. Here is the field test: http://www.speedzones.com/ scroll to the bottom and click on Blinder.

Here is their website: http://www.blinder.dk/
$345 shipped anywhere in the world.

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Old 04-09-2001, 08:07 PM   #6
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Old 04-09-2001, 09:16 PM   #7
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The FCC cannot regulate infrared light (the FDA does) and the Lidatek LaserEcho is FDA approved (I think).

It is, however, illegal in some provinces in Canada. Please READ up before you post misinformation! (deleted one wrong post - sorry).

The original post was about a group buy, not whether it was legal or not - which is why I posted the link to the manuf site).

Here is the scoop from their FAQs

"Is Laser Echo legal?"

Laser Echo is legal. A lot of people ask this question because it is well known that there are FCC rules against radar jamming due to its interference with radio communications. Laser Echo, on the other hand, emits infrared light that does not interfere with any communications devices and is therefore not regulated by the FCC.

"Can, in the future, laws be passed to make Laser Echo illegal?"

One should put Laser Echo in the same category as radar detectors since this is the only way a driver can be notified of the presence of the laser speed trap and correct his speed without being fined. Radar detectors have been on the market since the early seventies and are still legal in all but two states in the nation.

"Is it legal to use it in Canada?"

Eastern Canadian provinces outlaw all devices that warn the driver of the presence of police speed traps. However, experience has shown that in British Columbia Laser Echo is legal. Call 1.888.ECHO.911 for details.

"Some police officer claimed that he can confiscate anything mounted on my license plate. How do I deal with that?"

Since there is no law against the use of Laser Echo, the confiscation would not stand in court. We only know of one case where a Laser Echo was confiscate and that unit was returned after the law enforcement agency found no grounds to keep it."

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Old 04-09-2001, 09:22 PM   #8
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Well I am out, they are illegle in the State where absolutly nothing is allow, Minnesota.
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Old 04-09-2001, 09:25 PM   #9
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From radartest.com:

"The Laser Echo with its powerful GaAs laser was the only unit able to defeat all three lasers regardless of where they were aimed"

"We're aware of other active jammers under development but until they arrive, the Laser Echo is clearly the top dog in active laser jamming."
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Old 04-09-2001, 09:47 PM   #10
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I'd be interested. I just bought a Valentine 1, and am waiting for its delivery. The Lidatek should complement that nicely.
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Old 04-09-2001, 10:01 PM   #11
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I'd be interested in one... how much we talkin' here?
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Old 04-09-2001, 10:31 PM   #12
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Interested...My V1 works well....When I remember to bring it.(Swap wife's car sometimes)

4 years, 2 with an SVT Contour 2 with a SAAB Turbo. 1 ticket when the V1 was in the other car

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Old 04-10-2001, 12:40 AM   #13
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California was more beautiful prior to radar - lol. The WRX so effortlessly reaches speeds that are not-so-legal it wouldn't hurt to have a reminder before you inadvertantly get nailed. Fair is fair. I try and 'feel' when it is and is not ok to unwind a bit, but radar has me more nervous about maintaining my good record....
What kind of prices could you get with a group buy?

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Old 04-10-2001, 01:08 AM   #14
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How much do you think we could knock off the MSRP? If its low enough, I'd be interested.
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Old 04-10-2001, 06:57 AM   #15
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I don't know what price we could get, depends how many people (hence the post).

Let's hypthetically say 10% off, making it $360-370+shipping. It is still a big chunk of money like a V1. But then laser tickets can be pretty expensive.

But I don't think we've even got 10 people -- just a bunch of posts saying "isn't that illegal?"

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Old 04-10-2001, 10:48 AM   #16
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Just because it sounds to good to be true. =)
Still that is quite a bit pricey. I spose they don't have any competitors with a equilivent or better product?
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Old 04-10-2001, 11:13 AM   #17
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All the LIDAR jammers are a similar price and none seems to be as effective as the Lidatek -- seems to be a good complement to the V1.
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hey Glenn...
what's the price...

lordy knows i dont need another ticket... heheheh they have me marked!!

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Gee Jamie,

I can't imagine why?
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I've got one from Rocky Mountain Radar (no website, but do a search), radar/laser jammer. It plugs into a detector with a little female to female plug. As far as I can tell, it works. I've never gotten a ticket with the thing on. I've seen cops fiddle with the radar guns as I passed by. I guess it gives a blank reading until you're close enough for the radar/laser to penetrate the jammer's signal.

They also make a jammer/detector too, if you want one complete unit. But I think the jammer paired with the V1 is the best way to go.

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Jame the MSRP is $389 ish (or $398?) - I'm hoping to get 10% off or something.

I have swapped email with Mike Valentine (nice guy, but more anal than I am!) --- I doubt they'd do a group buy, but they do sell "reconditioned" units that have been returned under the 30 day money back guarantee for cheap.

Yeah, don't mess about in BC.

The unit has an indicator to let you know it has detected it. Ideal install is V1 with remote display for V1 alongside Lidatek control unit.

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Where can I find the recondtioned Valentine 1's? And how much cheaper are they from the retail?
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Just call Valentine's 800 number and ask 'em.
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Glenn,

After listening to you talk with Mike Herbst about this item in Phoenix, I did some research on the Lidatek. It sounds great. Everyone says a window mounted laser detector is not gonna catch laser in time, when it is aimed at the front grill and license plate. I am interested and would like to see it under $350 shipped if you can swing it.

I am also debating between the Bel 980 (aka VR2 here in Colorado), Escort 8500, and V1 to replace my Bel Express cordless. I am leaning tward the Escort 8500. Apparently www.radartest.com seems biased against the V1 (loved the Bel 980 and Escort 8500), whereas www.speedzone.com thought the V1 was right up there with the others out there.

(1) What is your feeling about the V1?
(2) Do you think my current Bel Express Li cordless in conjunction with the Lidatek would be adequate? I can't find any reviews of the Bel cordless, but remember reading somewhere in a review of the Escort cordless that the sampling of radar is less frequent under battery power and can pick up the signal later than a corded detector.

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I'm interested. V1 and Lidatek sound like a powerful, but expensive, combo.

Does the Lidatek tell you you are being scanned with a laser? I.E. Do you know when it is jamming?

Think we can convince Mike Valentine to do a group buy too?

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