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Old 05-04-2001, 04:18 PM   #1
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Post Short-shifter comparison & turbo ?

I would like to know if there are any differences between the COBB short shifter and the Kartboy shifter. ie, build quality, shift throw, etc.

Also, this is a pretty stupid question, but what would it take to toss the turbo from an older 91-94 2.2 Turbo Legacy on my '98 Legacy L 2.2?
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Old 05-04-2001, 06:54 PM   #2
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Can't help you with a Cobb comparison but I do have this:
http://www.azscooby.com/mods/AZScoob...artboy-sti.php

FWIW the Kartboy is top notch quality.

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Old 05-04-2001, 07:00 PM   #3
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Velo, I did try the Cobb shifter, and returned it after finding the noise and vibration objectionable. Trey was most kind in taking it back after I tried packing the bearing without success. The shift action was top-notch though, and I did keep the Cusco bushings, which made a real contribution toward more positive "feel".

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Old 05-06-2001, 12:26 AM   #4
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Go for the Cobb. Nuburu2's experience is a unique one. I have the Cobb model on my 99 Legacy GT. I love it. I have driven an RS with the Kartboy. With the Cobb the shift is just the right length. Also th Kartboy is nice but I didn't like the bend it had in it. Let me put it this way. If you get the Kartboy here is a good way to measure how it would be. Put your stock shifter in 2nd, 4th, and reverse. Look at the current placement of the top of the shifter. Chop about 1.5-2 inches off the top and make believe there is a bend in the shifter which place the top knob about and inch or two furhter in the direction of your center console. Oh by the way the Cobb unit keeps the shifter at stock height but drastically reduces the shift. So you get a shifter thats in a comfortable place with a really short shift.

I vote Cobb.
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Old 05-06-2001, 09:14 PM   #5
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I haven't tried the COBB... considered it when shopping, almost ordered, but talked to Trey re the install and any issues and decided I didn't want to grind anything to make it fit correctly. Apparently there's an issue with the sifter hitting a metal peice when going for first? I believe that's specific to the RS though... when I put in my KARTBOY shifter, I didn't see the piece he described to me. I still wouldn't mind trying a COBB w/ the bearing design...

The Kartboy shifter w/ busings is good. I tried just bushings w/ stock shifter first... great improvement. The short shifter took some getting used to it. Wasn't too sure about it at first, but now I don't think I could go back.

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Old 05-07-2001, 10:04 PM   #6
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Big bump for the turbo question... actually, I think I'll repost it seperately.


Thanks a bunch guys! Either way, I'll be putting in new bushings with the shifter.

Another question -- any difference between the Cusco bushings and the Kartboy ones?

I really like the shortness of the Kartboy, but that bend would probably not work out right for my long gangly arms, plus it was pointed out elsewhere that it angles a knob with a "grip" on it way too high to use properly. Furthermore, it seems to me that the further one sat forward, the *worse* the shift would be, almost to the point of reaching back -- just thinking of autocrossing or whatnot.

I'll probably reluctantly go with the COBB, as I too like the bearing design, although price is going to come into play since both aren't exactly what I want (more of a joystick -- reduced shift throw with reduced height), and I'm getting the bushings also (of course, I could just get the Kartboy bushings, but it'd be a waste of time and money not to order the shifter as well).

Thanks, Matt

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Old 05-07-2001, 10:09 PM   #7
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Order the Kartboy setup... Tom is cool, has 'em in stock, and you could have it installed in about 45 minutes upone receipt. Try it, you'll like it. From what I read, it gives you less throw than the Cobb... and you won't have to worry about bearing noise.

The bushings are pretty much the same, Kartboy's are cheaper.
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Old 05-07-2001, 10:17 PM   #8
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Well, a shifter is a shifter, so I don't think one would be much harder to install than the other. It's not a full linkage or anything.

According to their respective websites, the COBB shifter reduces throw by 50% whereas the Kartboy is 40%.

I really don't care much about a little bit of noise -- that's what I've got windows for!

Thanks!

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