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Old 09-30-2000, 01:17 AM   #1
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Question Info Needed Re: Lowering a '95 Legacy LS AWD Sedan, Plz! :o)

Hey Everyone,

First time posting to this bulletin board and I really like what I've seen so far... so let's see if I can get some help here...

I'm thinking of "upgrading" the shocks and springs in my sister's '95 Subaru Legacy LS AWD, but I have no idea what's good for those ('cuz I drive a Talon. No bashing please! I love Subarus too!!!). She doesn't need anything adjustable in terms of shocks, and I was wondering if anyone can suggest just a decent aftermarket shock to accompany the shorter springs I plan to have installed.

As for the springs, I know that Eibach makes one for the '97-99 Legacy's... anyone know if they'll work for the '95? Or have suggestions for other brands? I'm looking to lower it by around 1-1/4" or 1-1/2", and it's not worth putting coilovers ("real" or "fake") into her car.

Also, anyone know if she'll need a camber kit?

I'm in Vancouver, BC, CANADA... any idea where to get the springs/shocks locally or elsewhere? I've had work done on my Talon at Minnam...

Thanks!!! Feel free to reply directly to my e-mail.

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Old 09-30-2000, 08:27 AM   #2
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Since I sent you here, I'll try to help. Cobb Tuning sells H&R Springs which should work. I have no experience with the springs, but I have heard nothing but good things about Cobb. Trey from Cobb is on the board, you want to try talking to him, his username is Trey.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/main.html
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Old 09-30-2000, 09:35 AM   #3
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Don't get the H&R's. They will lower the car too much and make it look like a rice rocket. Yes the Eibachs will work with your 95. Get those and the KYB-GR2 struts. You can get the struts from www.spdusa.com
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Old 09-30-2000, 03:16 PM   #4
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Rice rocket? I don't think my 2.5GT is a rice rocket. The H&R's are great springs, and I highly recommend them. I use Eibachs on my DSM, and I don't like the springs nearly as much. NOT TRYING TO COMPARE ACROSS DIFFERENT CARS, so don't go there.

Plenty of others are using the H&R's.

You can see my 2.5GT with H&Rs at www.lagging.com

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Old 09-30-2000, 05:03 PM   #5
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Having the stock spring still myself i can't comment on them firsthand but take this into consideration:

The H&R is nice, the Eibach is nice. The H&R will give you at least 1.5" drop while the Eibach are a more conservative .75".

I'd imagine they're both comparable. One friend of mine has Eibachs on his 1.8 brighton with AGX and another has H&R on his 95 Legacy with AGX. Both autocross, both do well.

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Old 09-30-2000, 08:21 PM   #6
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Hey!

Haha. Nice to see you here, JC. Thanks for directing me here 'cuz it's definitely a much nicer bunch than at the other board...

Thanks for that great info. My friend who can get me the Eibach's said that in his catelogue, it says they'll lower the '97-'99 Legacy's 1.5".

DLC, do you remember where you read that the Eibach's only lowers by .75"? Or was that based on your friend's Brighton?

Thanks again!

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Old 09-30-2000, 08:23 PM   #7
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Hey ForceFed those are cool pix! Beautiful GT. Are some of those pix w/ stock springs? I was wondering b/c the last 2 of yours look like they have different heights. Also which struts do you have & do you have any trouble bottoming out?
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Old 09-30-2000, 08:40 PM   #8
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Hey Kev,

Just saw your webpage... your Legacy looks GOOD! Too bad my sister doesn't have the 2.5GT... btw, did you need a camber kit after you lowered it? Or is it already adjustable on the car... couldn't really see when I peeked at it today. Oh, and some of those pics on your webpage are of your car with the mags, but *before* the H&R springs, right? Which H&R springs did you get? I know they come in a "Sport" and "Race" for the DSM's and most other cars... gonna check them out...

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Old 09-30-2000, 08:58 PM   #9
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The Eibachs on SPDUSA.com for the Legacy lower .75". These are the imported ones from Germany. I don't know if there are other possible springs but these are ones that Mike has available, so it's good stuff.
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Old 10-01-2000, 08:07 AM   #10
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Thanks for the cpmpliments gang. You wouldn't believe the amount of "hey, what kinda car is that? It looks nice" from people.

Yes, some of the pics are before the H&R's. It's pretty obvious which ones are before, and which are after. I don't even think the pics give a TRUE sense of how the car looks. You have to see it in person, walk around it...I even catch myself looking back at it

Right now I am using the stock shocks. They are serviceable...actually not bad at all. But I think the fact that they are fairly new helps. I am planning on getting the STi V5 dampers (soon, very soon), since they are designed with a shorter stroke in mind. They should work perfect with the H&R's.

No camber kit. The alignment does have some negative camber up front (I think -1.1 degrees or so was the best they could get it). But I just rotated my tires after 6K miles with this setup, and all the tires looked even.

I got my H&R's from a local warehouse, I don't think they list them as 'street' and 'race'. Atleast, I never saw this option. If you get them, don't get them from places like SPOMotorsports...they charge something like $350 for them, and I got mine for around $225 SHIPPED to me.

Any other questions, let me know!

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Old 10-01-2000, 01:07 PM   #11
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Hey Fred,
I just so happen to drive a '95 Legacy LS AWD and have the Eibach springs and KYB AGX shocks. They compliment each other nicely and in my opinion the Eibachs drop the car just over an inch to an inch and a half. The ride is great and the handling improves substantially!
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Old 10-01-2000, 03:35 PM   #12
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If you want to double check exactly which springs will work with your '95, check with Teague's auto, www.boxer4racing.com
He has a '95 sedan and told me he had some problems with the rear springs, but I don't recall if they were Eibach or H&R.

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Old 10-01-2000, 11:24 PM   #13
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Thanks Everybody!

It's very refreshing to see a board that's so willing to offer their wisdoms!

AWDBat (cool alias, btw. hehe), do you know the part no. of the springs you got? I'm wondering if they're the same ones my friend can get (i.e. the ones specified as "for '97-'99 Legacy Sedans"). Pleiades didn't get an aftermarket camber kit for his car, but did you, AWDBat? And if so, which one? How much? Did you install the springs yourself? I'm getting the AGX's for my Talon, but I think they'd be an overkill for my sister's needs. I was thinking of getting the GR2's (by KYB) or even just some Monroe's or something from good ol' Canadian Tire. Finally, would you happen to have pictures of your car you'd like to share?

Thanks again, everyone!

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Old 10-02-2000, 07:37 PM   #14
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Fred, check the other Legacy thread, for the answers to your questions. I'm going to try and get some pictures of my car in the next day or two if the weather's nice!
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Old 10-02-2000, 11:33 PM   #15
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That would be awesome, Pleiades! Thanks!

Teague had problems with the H&R's...

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Old 10-03-2000, 04:45 PM   #16
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Hey Fred C, got your message, sorry I haven't responded to you until now. I'm still at work (36hrs and counting), but when I get home tonight I'll see what part numbers I can pull up. Also I do have some photos of my car from some recent SCCA races - I'll either post them or email them to you as soon as I can. Take care.
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I tried to find the part numbers for the Eibach springs on my old invoice, but no luck. I know that they run about $227 US and they are compatible with my KYBs (which are actually '96-99 Impreza compatible as well). If you're really interested I bet if you checked out my friend's website (he tunes imports) you could get that info from him. His site is www.moderngarage.com - good luck. As for photos, DLC has some of my Legacy from some SCCA races, maybe he could post a few or email them to you.
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Old 10-04-2000, 12:27 AM   #18
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AWDBat,

Hey, no problem! What line of work are you in? Working 36 hours in a row? You aren't a doctor, are ya?

I'll get in touch with DLC to see if I can see some pics...

So, everyone seems to think that the "97-99" Eibach Pro-Kits will work with a '95? Right? Right?

Thanks!

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It sounds like the eibach pros will work, but I'm still worried about some of the comments mccaskl about problems w/ the pros- and having to use a rubber spacer to raise it back up some. (search eibach under Legacy forum).
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As I mentioned before, the pro-kit lowers the car more than Eibach claims. (1.5"-1.7") However, I have no rubbing, draging, scraping problems with the tires except during EXTREME cornering situations on an autocross course. And once hard breaking from 60-65mph to 30-35mph making a u-turn on a five lane road. Not very normal street driving. And as I mentioned before the tire rub is very minimal, barely shaving just a fine dust off of the tire edge. The tire rubs on (2) 1/2"x3" sections of the inner fender linning. As I mentioned above you will only notice this if you autocross, or likewise, the car. The car rides fine even on the stock struts and still has plenty of clearence. I'm going to research the difference in stock struts/springs to find out if the Eibach suspension will definatly fit all of the Legacy's in question. Possibly even taking one of my springs off and mounting on a MY95 stock strut. Hope we can fiqure this thing out!
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I agree with pleiades on there not being a problem with tire rub. My set up has been great - the autocrosses I've done haven't shown any evidence of rubbing. Although bear in mind I usually race on the harder suspension settings on my KYBs. But even the softest setting shouldn't be a problem. Go pleiades - take those springs off!!

Oh, and Fred you guessed right.
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Look into the Eibach/Prodrive springs. That's what I have and think they are great. I don't know where you can get them though (I bought them from a guy on the board). They didn't lower the car much (3/4") and there is NO rubbing at all. Plus you won't have to drive sideways over some big speed bumps.
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Hello Akiata, I read in a thread (can't remember which one) that the Prodrive/Eibach springs aren't available anymore. I took a look at my sisters' Legacy and imagined what a 1.5" drop would be like and I don't think she'd have as much of a problem with bumps as my Talon, even though it's only lowered by around 1.3". The inlet piping to the muffler hangs so low in my car 'cuz it has to clear the AWD... sits low kinda a-la-CRX mufflers.

Pleiades, did you notice that your Eibach's sagged over time, then settled on a final height? I found that to be the case with the Pro-Kits in my Talon. A fellow DSM'er said that it's 'cuz even though the Eibach's are a quality spring, they're heat-wound and not cold-wound, making them more prone to saggage (like my new word?!? haha). Oh, Pleiades, I'll volunteer my sisters' Legacy for your "experiment". hehe. Now, get your butt up to British Columbia right now! j/k

AWDBat, what settings are your AGX's on for the various drives? like road vs. auto-x? I'm curious because I have some AGX's on order for my Talon... getting a sweet deal on some.

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Fred,
The front KYBs are 4 way adjustable and the rear are 8 way. You'll probably have to experiment for your talon, but for me on the road I've got the front at 1 or 2, and rear at 2 to 4 (lowest settings for the highway so as to have a softer ride). For autocross the front and rear usually got to the hardest settings (4 and 6 to 8) - the car dips less and seems to recover from turns quicker. Of course the sway bar is a big improvement too!
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Pleiades, I'm not sure how to post them here, but you're more than welcome to send them directly to my e-mail at fcheng@direct.ca! hehehe.

AWDBat, those are very similar settings to what has been recommended to me for my Talon... the Talons (esp the AWD ones) are super heavy little cars (which kinda sucks, but gotta love the AWD!)...

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