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Old 05-08-2012, 12:12 PM   #1001
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All these autocross threads have bad juju and excuses brewing in them. Here's a few facts.

1. Your car has a maximum theoretical performance as defined by it's setup.

2. Every run, the driver will perform to a certain percentage of their theoretical maximum.

3. Better drivers perform to a higher percentage, more often.

4. It takes a TON of car to make up for a weak driver, and sometimes a fast car can't overcome a weak driver.

So what, right?

Practically, if you're getting beat, the first thing to look at for problems is the driver, as it's US, the idiot behind the wheel, that has the most effect on the car's performance.

Nearly every time I've been beaten it's because I was outdriven, not outengineered. Every time I've been outdriven it's because I laid down a ****ty performance while my opponent was outstanding.

Moral of the story? It's not the car, it's not the other guy, it's YOU.

Bottom line here: Learn to drive before you start spending money and turning wrenches; it's the best investment you can make. Once you hit that maximum that the car can give, then you start making changes... Remember, 75% driver, 20% tire, 5% setup.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:58 PM   #1002
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I don't know how everyone else takes winning/loosing, but for me when I am in any type of race, I honestly don't care if I'm first or last. I made it out there, had fun, and that's more than what 99% of the public can say.

I'm sure we all know a person or two that talk the big talk about some "project x" in their garage that no one can ever see, probably just actually living through some video game in reality.

There's no illusion that, though as much as we'd want, we were born as "stigs" and could win an autocross with a stock 74 Ford Pinto given the chance
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:08 PM   #1003
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I tend to agree with the statement, as I would suspect most everyone posting on this thread would agree. I still remember the first ever Autocross I went to. I was talked into running instead of watching and ran as hard as I thought I could, pushing the car to its limits, figured I needed tires/suspension to continue. Dollar runs came and I let Jake at the wheel. Holy hell... in experienced hands my car jumped like 10 seconds. (this was my very first ever event mind you)

I also believe I returned the favor when ArmySTi let me borrow his STI for an event. It showed him what the car had in it so the difference was improving his style.

I also think that is why this thread is good for discussions regarding technique, how to improve their line and driving style. and whom to watch for getting pointers. I drive (or used to, been out of it a while) similar to Jake, a heavy Euro car but mostly smooth inputs, so I tend to see what he does with momentum, versus Mike and Clint that tend to have a bit more power in lighter cars allowing them to toss theirs differently.

Personally, I think this is a good thread with good conversation and many bits of whether some part will really help or not, or is even worth it. Learning on stock is great, but sometimes having more confidence in brakes, or tires allows you to push harder.

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Bottom line here: Learn to drive before you start spending money and turning wrenches; it's the best investment you can make. Once you hit that maximum that the car can give, then you start making changes... Remember, 75% driver, 20% tire, 5% setup.
This is why most people on QW always answer "What should be my first mod" with "Driving school".
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:18 PM   #1004
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I don't know how everyone else takes winning/loosing, but for me when I am in any type of race, I honestly don't care if I'm first or last. I made it out there, had fun, and that's more than what 99% of the public can say.
Agreed as well. When I was competing more, there were 2 groups of people... those out to win, and those out to have a good time and compare raw times with their buddies. I was in the latter camp and found it to be much more enjoyable. I'd tend to think most of the people now out there are in the same vein. Otherwise I'd think they'd not allow someone to ride with nor divulge information on how best to navigate a portion of course. Which I think is good as it makes it more inviting to newcomers.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:24 PM   #1005
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So, all the mods I want to do, minus one, will keep me in D Stock. Even the wheel/tire setup I want will keep me in D Stock.

My Strut/Spring combo
Rear Sway bar ( Can only run ONE aftermarket sway )
Front Sway bar ( Can only run ONE aftermarket sway )
RPF1's with 245 Star Specs

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Old 05-08-2012, 02:32 PM   #1006
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Basically, Humans suck at everything.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:38 PM   #1007
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^^^
Agreed.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:55 PM   #1008
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Sometimes it can be difficult to digest all the information.

Work on your driving. Get yourself some good street tires and just work on your skill set. Most novice drivers drive too fast in the slow sections and too slow in fast sections.

Thats about as much as I can say without typing a book. Work on cutting distance in the slow sections. You will drop time.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:58 PM   #1009
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So, all the mods I want to do, minus one, will keep me in D Stock. Even the wheel/tire setup I want will keep me in D Stock.

My Strut/Spring combo
Rear Sway bar ( Can only run ONE aftermarket sway )
Front Sway bar ( Can only run ONE aftermarket sway )
RPF1's with 245 Star Specs

Neat.
Be careful:
Changing springs bumps you out of stock
Alternate wheels need to be the same diameter and width as stock, and within 1/4" from the stock offset.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:32 PM   #1010
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What class is "SS", super stock? I think that is what I got put in and from what I saw on the board, I was the only one in that class.

The front tires I got in aren't stock size, I didn't even think of it causing a class change. The stock tires are about $300 each, while the slightly wider Star Specs were $130 each.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:40 PM   #1011
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Can someone help me determine what class a vehicle will be in?
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:23 PM   #1012
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What kind of vehicle?
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:50 PM   #1013
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What class is "SS", super stock? I think that is what I got put in and from what I saw on the board, I was the only one in that class.

The front tires I got in aren't stock size, I didn't even think of it causing a class change. The stock tires are about $300 each, while the slightly wider Star Specs were $130 each.
I ran Super Stock too...

In Stock, you can use whatever size tire you want on a stock-sized wheel. Changing the wheel size will bump you out of stock.
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:03 PM   #1014
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I ran stock then Street Touring (STS) back with my old Legacy.

As for helping find a class, what car and mods?
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:06 PM   #1015
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Can someone help me determine what class a vehicle will be in?
If its the vehicle you got for a project, then I think you'd be GS for stock.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:35 PM   #1016
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Yeah will be mostly stock. Might do struts, springs, sway bar and better tires later on.

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Old 05-09-2012, 12:40 AM   #1017
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Looks like I will be HS or FSP depending on how I mod the car.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:09 AM   #1018
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Interesting, I swore when I looked at the SCCA PDF the other day the MX6 was GS
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:20 AM   #1019
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MX-6 turbo model is. Non turbo is HS
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:52 AM   #1020
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Yea to all of the above
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Heh heh heh.
G Stock, here I come.
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Old 05-10-2012, 01:18 AM   #1022
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Yea to all of the above
so insightful!
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Old 05-10-2012, 02:46 PM   #1023
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Heh heh heh.
G Stock, here I come.
Haha!!!
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Old 05-10-2012, 03:15 PM   #1024
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MX-6 turbo model is. Non turbo is HS
Gotcha, I see where I went wrong. I read "V6 & 4cyl turbo, all" and thought it meant all, didnt think to look for non-turbo 4.
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:23 PM   #1025
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Heh heh heh.
G Stock, here I come.
What's up your sleeve?

Why not drive the mustang?
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