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Old 10-01-2000, 07:32 AM   #1
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Hi Mccaskl- I was searching Eibach/AGX info and saw a post of yours talking about the 7706.140 Eibach Legacy springs and how the drop was definitely more than an 1" front and back. Do you know, by chance if your springs are the Eibach Pros or the Eibach Sports? Or something different alltogether?

Is it possible that the SPD/Eibach springs (people w/ them swear a less than 1" drop) are diff. than the 7706.140 springs avail. elsewhere?

Anyone else have experience w/ the Eibach Pros? I could've sworn someone posted a non-noticeable 0.75" drop when they put SPD/Eibachs on, but everything else I've read points to a LOT more.

thanks!

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Old 10-01-2000, 04:29 PM   #2
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I have a 98GT that I put a Eibach Prokit on about 2 months ago and it droped it between 1.5 and 1.65 inches. It looks and drives great though!
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Old 10-01-2000, 04:40 PM   #3
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Hi!

I'm researching some springs for my sister's '95 Legacy LS sedan too...

Gumball, what year's your Legacy?

My friend said that the ProKits are only for the '97-'99 Legacy's (according to his catalogue). Anyone know for sure if they'll work on our '95?

As an aside, I have ProKits in my '96 Eagle Talon TSi AWD and the drop was about 1.3-1.5". I wanted to go about 1.8" 'cuz the Talons/Eclipses come fairly high, but my practical side spoke up.

Thanks for any info you can offer!!!

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Old 10-01-2000, 04:42 PM   #4
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Btw, pleiades, did you have to get a camber kit for your car after the new springs were put in? Or does the car come with adjustable camber already?

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Old 10-01-2000, 10:02 PM   #5
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I did not purchase a camber kit for my GT.
The springs did add some negative camber, however it wasn't very extreme and it was very welcomed. I am almost certain that there is no factory camber settings on the front of those cars. That's what I was told once when getting it aligned.
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Old 10-02-2000, 12:19 AM   #6
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Thanks Pleiades! One more question though... do you know the item no. or part no. of the Eibach Pro-Kits you have? Do you still have the box or instructions? Did you install them yourself? If so, any tips? I'm totally new to working on this Legacy even though we've had it for 5 years ('cuz I've been working on my Talon). Man, that's more than "one more question", eh?!? haha. sorry. Thanks!

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Old 10-02-2000, 09:43 AM   #7
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My Legacy GT is a '97. Pleides-glad to hear you've had good luck w/ the Eibach Pros. It sounded like some of the earlier posts on the springs described a)too much drop, b)bottoming out, c)coils touching. I even think Mccaskl raised his springs some to compensate, so that got me woried.

Were you able to get your alignment back to factory spec w/ the new springs? Any excessive tire wear? thanks...
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Old 10-02-2000, 02:28 PM   #8
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I left the alignment as the springs made it because it drives great. I live in the mountians and drive hard around EVERY turn ALL the time, so it's hard for me to fiqure tire ware. I didn't mention and your comment about rubbing reminded me though, I get a little tire rub on the autocross course with the well turned almost to lock under extreme cornering. But it is very minor, all of the scrubing is on the inner fender linning and the only negative is a little black rubber/plastic dust. But the only time it rubbed under normal street driving was making a very fast u-turn. And that's not really normal street driving.
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Old 10-02-2000, 08:24 PM   #9
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Sorry Tim I didn't read the whole thread before I made that last post. The pro-kit I put on my car is part #7706.140. I did install them myself. 3hrs, gravel driveway, one jack, two people. The directions that came in the box were entirely in German. Gook Luck! The fronts are easy, the backs are the same, however you must remove both back seat cushions. But there only in there with 5 bolts total. I talked with Dale Teague of Teague's Auto about his 95' Legacy. The springs he tried to install were H&R. Two considerations about his car: It is not an AWD model (Yep, front wheel drive, I didn't think they made any) and he was installing these springs on stock struts. The problem he incountered with the H&Rs was the back springs were about one inch shorter than the strut. He said the fronts fit fine. So these springs may not be a problem with aftermarket struts. I also found out that there is a very small amount of factory camber adjustment.
So I'm on my way to the alignment shop tommorow! Hope this answers your question(s)!
BTW: If you put springs on I would suggest a bigger rear sway bar as well. The Whiteline 20mm-22mm adjustable bar would be great especially if you are going to autocross the car. I put a 19mm bar off of a older turbo Legacy sedan, and I love it for the street but I'm thinking of switching to the Whiteline bar for autocross. Just a thought!
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Old 10-03-2000, 12:47 AM   #10
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Wow, Pleiades, thanks for all that great info. I think I'll go with the Eibach's for my sister's car... now, I need to find a friend who speaks German, fast! hehe.

Btw, did you need a spring compressor at all?

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Old 10-03-2000, 06:35 AM   #11
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You will need a sring compressor to remove the original springs, and it would be helpful in putting the fronts on. I tried to compress the fronts by hand, and I had it but we couldn't get the nut on before my arms got tired! Also forgot to mention, you have to remove the break lines, The best plan is to remove the banjo bolt from the caliper and remove the clip holding it to the strut and hang it out of the way. There weren't any copper rings on the banjo bolt but if your car happens to have some, don't loose them! So get a couple of bottles of brake fluid. and plan to bleed the brakes when you're done. The fact that they made the brake lines go through a hole in a bracket that is welded to the strut is the only thing that made me cuss Subaru during the job.
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Old 10-03-2000, 11:41 AM   #12
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Did anyone see this post from Prodrive on the general forum?? Wonder which gen. Legacy he's talking about and which springs?


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posted October 03, 2000 08:29 AM

Chaps!

Please remember that the P1 has significantly more power and torque than even an RS and it is
very easy to get power understeer if you are too eager with the gas. Do this a few times and
the edges are gone on the front tyres. Hello understeer!!

I run a 2.0 Sport with std suspension and P1 tyres. It has no understeer as it hasn't got the
power to destroy the tyres.

The P1 suspension has unique springs designed specifically for this car, the idea being to tune
the suspension for the Uk and retain good road manners and ride comfort with 17" wheels and
tyres. Engineering understeer into the chassis was not an objective and we did not achieve it
either.

The best handling Subaru I have ever driven was a Legacy 2.0 fitted with our springs and P1
size wheels and tyres for exactly the same reasons. We used this car for a Drive day in Greece
and all the drivers, including Simon Jean-Joseph our latest WRC driver, preferred it to either an
Impreza WR or P1 as it was more fun. Simon was actually approaching the corners backwards in
complete control! (some of the time)

I hope this helps!!!!

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Old 10-04-2000, 04:01 PM   #13
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Think I just answered my own question-
Not that anyone probably cares at this point, but in e-mailing ProDrive & talking to Mike Shields, I've found that Eibach only makes one spring set for the Legacy, that's the Pro-Kit (7706.140). The ProDrive springs were a limited production set of which Mike only has one left and will not sell. They are also made by Eibach, and according to Mike, were used on the 1st Gen. Legacies but also seemed to work great w/ the 2nd Gen. Legacy. There doesn't seem to be sufficient demand to do another batch of the ProDrive Eibachs (blue), so the only Eibach Legacy Springs on the market are the Pro-Kit not Prodrive.
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Old 10-04-2000, 08:31 PM   #14
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I'm going to check on this and if comes to it I'll put my hands on any stock struts that are supposed to be different in MY95 etc and put one of my springs on it.
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Old 10-05-2000, 08:13 PM   #15
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Hey guys I'll chime in here.

Go with H&R springs period. I had the Prodrive/Eibachs and replacd them w/H&R!!

Prodrives only offer 15% stiffening, while H&R has 25-30%. It's a worthwile change that you'll be happy with.

On a side note I purchased just about everything from SPO, great people and service. Also if you want to see all my mods go to Members/Legacy/Oregon/Matt Anderson. If you have a specific questions I'll be more than happy to answer.
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