stage two and bad shelf map

Chp_Stix · 07-23-2006, 07:14 PM

Hey looking for suggestions here, and maybe someone with a protuner licence for feedback/ helo. Had Jarrad from PDX pull some logs while we are up a Dyno Day and Basline runs. We did a base line in my 2006 WRX Stage 2

- HKS Stamped Flange DP
- Magnaflow Catback (Catless)
- K&N with gutted stock intake
- AP with Shelf Stage 2 Reflash

2200 ft elevation on standard 91oct pump gas

Numbers were 226hp and 270tq

so the numbers were good and seemed right but the problem came in the datalogs you can see for yourself I am getting Knock and lean issues bad ones.

1. Should I reflash to stock? (Until i get this fixed)
2. Should I convince COBB that the map I got was crap and they should update for me?
3. Does someone have a Protuner software and wouldnt mind helping me retune this via email?

reasone I didnt get PDX to tune it at the time was it didnt fit in the schedual and I really didnt want a pro tune as I plan for a new turbo in the next 6-8 months as it is.

Thanks For any help

Kris

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Chp_Stix · 07-23-2006, 07:15 PM

Data Log from Jarrad

mxboy15u · 07-23-2006, 09:20 PM

Man those coolant temps are high! I have never seen 216, and I am on stock thermostat.

Chp_Stix · 07-23-2006, 10:56 PM

31C on a dyno with only 1 fan

Chp_Stix · 07-23-2006, 10:56 PM

oh and all temps are in (F)

06rexwagon · 07-23-2006, 11:23 PM

I was seeing lean values and negative KC values on my '06 with the cobb stage 2 91 octane map. I got a new map from TDC tuning and I'm seeing only positive KC values. I haven't logged A/F ratios since the new reflash though.

Chp_Stix · 07-24-2006, 12:08 AM

so im not the only one then..... I guess COBB is just giving out retarded base maps then..... man its all money money money, 800 for the ap 150 for a good base map man had i seen this before the down sides to owning a new design engine i guess

sperry7 · 07-24-2006, 12:34 AM

Dang... Maybe your car just didn't respond to the map well at all. Every car is different. I highly doubt Cobb messed up your map, however I think it would be worth a call to see what the deal is, and if it is that bad then maybe a potential refund or help getting your car back to normal.

Chp_Stix · 07-24-2006, 12:57 AM

^^^ I just would like an updated map is all something that isnt screwing up my car..... I email Christian on saturday guess i should hear back on monday with an answer he has the other two logs we pulled the other day also

overdose · 07-24-2006, 10:43 AM

jeez, it flows no air, makes no power, knocks like hell... wtf?

06rexwagon · 07-24-2006, 11:01 AM

Last time I talked to Christian at Cobb about the '06 he said they would be coming out with a newly revised map for the '06

Chp_Stix · 07-24-2006, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overdose

jeez, it flows no air, makes no power, knocks like hell... wtf?

Well it is making power 226awhp and 270wtq but it could make way more, knocks like hell though...... i dont understand

06rexwagon · 07-24-2006, 11:42 AM

These are my logs after I got an e tune from TDC

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Chp_Stix · 07-24-2006, 12:11 PM

Just got off the phone with COBB and they suggested to me that I should run the California Map and that it may be a fuel issue and I will need a custom map done to work with this furel we have here in Calgary

parker/slc/gc8fan · 07-24-2006, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06WRX

- HKS Stamped Flange DP

Is that the one with the backing plate similar to stock?

Cobb made the map on a bellmouth, FYI.

06rexwagon · 07-24-2006, 03:43 PM

good point parker. That DP doesn't have any bigger opening than the stocker.

06rexwagon · 07-24-2006, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parker/slc/gc8fan

Is that the one with the backing plate similar to stock?

Cobb made the map on a bellmouth, FYI.

Is this the DP you have? Look at the flange. [IMG]

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Now look at cobb's
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Chp_Stix · 07-24-2006, 04:40 PM

Yes mine is the top one with the stamped flange but I have been told by various tuners that it is fine the difference between the bellmouth and the stamped flange is very little on our stock turbos, the outlet is the same size the difference if the bellmouth expands over the wastegate to allow mroe flow when your wastegate is open. That being said performance on a bellmouth is so-so because when your waste gate opens on both the bellmouth and stamped flange you get turbulance in the DP, the only way around this is to get one with a divorced wastegate side. I also know that this is not the cause of my problem because Jarrad knew what kind of DP i was running and he said that wont make a difference like what i am seeing. thaks for the thought though

parker/slc/gc8fan · 07-24-2006, 04:51 PM

So your running a TDC map and not Cobb's?

That changes things.

Have you mailed him the logs?

06rexwagon · 07-24-2006, 04:51 PM

I am, not the OP
edit, or are you asking me if I sent my logs to the OP?

parker/slc/gc8fan · 07-24-2006, 05:45 PM

I was asking the OP. It hasnt been made very clear just what kind of map this is.

Custom maps are exactly that, custom.

06rexwagon · 07-24-2006, 06:24 PM

He's complaining about cobb's map.

"2. Should I convince COBB that the map I got was crap and they should update for me?"

Chp_Stix · 07-24-2006, 07:34 PM

I am running the stock Stage2 Base 91oct map

mxboy15u · 07-25-2006, 08:31 AM

I don't know if wastegate interference could cause knock like that though. Looks like a fuel issue.

07-23-2006, 07:14 PM	#1
Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	stage two and bad shelf map Hey looking for suggestions here, and maybe someone with a protuner licence for feedback/ helo. Had Jarrad from PDX pull some logs while we are up a Dyno Day and Basline runs. We did a base line in my 2006 WRX Stage 2 - HKS Stamped Flange DP - Magnaflow Catback (Catless) - K&N with gutted stock intake - AP with Shelf Stage 2 Reflash 2200 ft elevation on standard 91oct pump gas Numbers were 226hp and 270tq so the numbers were good and seemed right but the problem came in the datalogs you can see for yourself I am getting Knock and lean issues bad ones. 1. Should I reflash to stock? (Until i get this fixed) 2. Should I convince COBB that the map I got was crap and they should update for me? 3. Does someone have a Protuner software and wouldnt mind helping me retune this via email? reasone I didnt get PDX to tune it at the time was it didnt fit in the schedual and I really didnt want a pro tune as I plan for a new turbo in the next 6-8 months as it is. Thanks For any help Kris * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

07-24-2006, 11:42 AM	#13
06rexwagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 114730 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2006 WRX Limited Wag	TDC map logs These are my logs after I got an e tune from TDC [IMG][/IMG] Last edited by 06rexwagon; 07-24-2006 at 12:10 PM.

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Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	Data Log from Jarrad

07-23-2006, 09:20 PM	#3
mxboy15u Scooby Specialist Member#: 105115 Join Date: Jan 2006	Man those coolant temps are high! I have never seen 216, and I am on stock thermostat.

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Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	31C on a dyno with only 1 fan

07-23-2006, 11:23 PM	#6
06rexwagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 114730 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2006 WRX Limited Wag	I was seeing lean values and negative KC values on my '06 with the cobb stage 2 91 octane map. I got a new map from TDC tuning and I'm seeing only positive KC values. I haven't logged A/F ratios since the new reflash though.

07-24-2006, 12:08 AM	#7
Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	so im not the only one then..... I guess COBB is just giving out retarded base maps then..... man its all money money money, 800 for the ap 150 for a good base map man had i seen this before the down sides to owning a new design engine i guess

07-24-2006, 12:34 AM	#8
sperry7 Scooby Specialist Member#: 110079 Join Date: Mar 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Vegas Vehicle: 06 WRX Black on Black	Dang... Maybe your car just didn't respond to the map well at all. Every car is different. I highly doubt Cobb messed up your map, however I think it would be worth a call to see what the deal is, and if it is that bad then maybe a potential refund or help getting your car back to normal.

07-24-2006, 12:57 AM	#9
Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	^^^ I just would like an updated map is all something that isnt screwing up my car..... I email Christian on saturday guess i should hear back on monday with an answer he has the other two logs we pulled the other day also

07-24-2006, 10:43 AM	#10
overdose Scooby Specialist Member#: 46399 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Grand Rapids, MI Vehicle: 0000 Knows nothing, about nothing.	jeez, it flows no air, makes no power, knocks like hell... wtf?

07-24-2006, 11:01 AM	#11
06rexwagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 114730 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2006 WRX Limited Wag	Last time I talked to Christian at Cobb about the '06 he said they would be coming out with a newly revised map for the '06

07-24-2006, 12:11 PM	#14
Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	Just got off the phone with COBB and they suggested to me that I should run the California Map and that it may be a fuel issue and I will need a custom map done to work with this furel we have here in Calgary

07-24-2006, 03:43 PM	#16
06rexwagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 114730 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2006 WRX Limited Wag	good point parker. That DP doesn't have any bigger opening than the stocker.

07-24-2006, 04:40 PM	#18
Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	Yes mine is the top one with the stamped flange but I have been told by various tuners that it is fine the difference between the bellmouth and the stamped flange is very little on our stock turbos, the outlet is the same size the difference if the bellmouth expands over the wastegate to allow mroe flow when your wastegate is open. That being said performance on a bellmouth is so-so because when your waste gate opens on both the bellmouth and stamped flange you get turbulance in the DP, the only way around this is to get one with a divorced wastegate side. I also know that this is not the cause of my problem because Jarrad knew what kind of DP i was running and he said that wont make a difference like what i am seeing. thaks for the thought though

07-24-2006, 04:51 PM	#19
parker/slc/gc8fan Scooby Specialist Member#: 46241 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: N. Salt Lake City, UT Vehicle: - RIP SDF-1	So your running a TDC map and not Cobb's? That changes things. Have you mailed him the logs?

07-24-2006, 05:45 PM	#21
parker/slc/gc8fan Scooby Specialist Member#: 46241 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: N. Salt Lake City, UT Vehicle: - RIP SDF-1	I was asking the OP. It hasnt been made very clear just what kind of map this is. Custom maps are exactly that, custom.

07-24-2006, 06:24 PM	#22
06rexwagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 114730 Join Date: May 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2006 WRX Limited Wag	He's complaining about cobb's map. "2. Should I convince COBB that the map I got was crap and they should update for me?"

07-24-2006, 07:34 PM	#23
Chp_Stix Scooby Specialist Member#: 95195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Under the hood, in the seat! Vehicle: 1974 Rat Rod Bug back and white	I am running the stock Stage2 Base 91oct map

07-25-2006, 08:31 AM	#24
mxboy15u Scooby Specialist Member#: 105115 Join Date: Jan 2006	I don't know if wastegate interference could cause knock like that though. Looks like a fuel issue.