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Old 07-27-2006, 11:13 AM   #1
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Default TXS Utec or COBB AP? Question of the ages :)

I have an 05 STi with Invidia DP and 3" Perrin Dual Tip exhaust and Blitz sus intake.

This is going to be my ONLY power mods. I will not be making any more changes to the engine bay. (I know that I should get back to Stock Airbox if I get AP)

Now the question is. What would better suit my need. Utec or Cobb AP?

I would like to get it Pro Tunned on Dyno and Road tune.

Which one will give me the most HP gain but at the same time stay Reliable?

Can I expect 300hp at the wheels?
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Old 07-27-2006, 12:54 PM   #2
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My vote would be the ap, IF you are not going to go any further. If you race or are going further...i say utec for its launch control and flat foot shifting abilities. or just get the ap/utec....then there's the ultimate.
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Old 07-27-2006, 01:01 PM   #3
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Check out the new Unichip that GPmoto has I have only heard good things about it. You can go HERE and ask them directly.
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Old 07-27-2006, 01:20 PM   #4
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I went with the Cobb AP, I like the plug and play ability
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:11 PM   #5
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Check out the new Unichip that GPmoto has I have only heard good things about it. You can go HERE and ask them directly.
Unless that's a new type of Unichip, those things have been around forever. And they weren't all that good to start with.


PS: My vote would be AP, with Streettuner now, what an amazing setup.
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:16 PM   #6
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There is a brand new model out, not sure if the GPmoto website shows it or not. this one comes with a blue tooth PDA for tuning and a bunch of other things.
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:21 PM   #7
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Choose a tuner. Ask them what they recommend for your setup. Compare the features of the two and see what features are more important to you. Power and reliability are probably going to be identical between the two for your setup assuming that the same tuner tunes the car.
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:22 PM   #8
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I am leaning towards AP
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:48 PM   #9
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I have an 05 STi with Invidia DP and 3" Perrin Dual Tip exhaust and Blitz sus intake.
This is going to be my ONLY power mods. I will not be making any more changes to the engine bay. (I know that I should get back to Stock Airbox if I get AP)
Now the question is. What would better suit my need. Utec or Cobb AP?
I would like to get it Pro Tunned on Dyno and Road tune.
Which one will give me the most HP gain but at the same time stay Reliable?
Can I expect 300hp at the wheels?
Stage 2 STI setups work very very well with either the AP or the UTEC. The AP has the most advantages when it comes to ease of use. The biggest significant advantage the UTEC has is if you want launch control, and/or are interesting in going to a MAP speed density setup. The new speed density firmware for the UTEC is very cool, but not something that you would ever need at your power level.

If I were to guess, I would say we sell more Stage 2 STI APs with PDX maps then any other single configuration. With the AP you can have the normal street map, plus a good race fuel or Torco map, as well as a valet and low boost map if you have someone else driving the car.

Given you mod level you could start with one of our PDX OTS maps, which we have for based on WA fuel. You could at some point get a custom dyno tune, which can net you a better map, as well as a good Torco map. We also have STU maps available if you are an autocrosser.

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Old 07-27-2006, 03:16 PM   #10
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+1 for PDX's OTS maps!!!

Here's my PDX 100 oct dyno:

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Old 07-27-2006, 03:48 PM   #11
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Stage 2 STI setups work very very well with either the AP or the UTEC. The AP has the most advantages when it comes to ease of use. The biggest significant advantage the UTEC has is if you want launch control, and/or are interesting in going to a MAP speed density setup. The new speed density firmware for the UTEC is very cool, but not something that you would ever need at your power level.

If I were to guess, I would say we sell more Stage 2 STI APs with PDX maps then any other single configuration. With the AP you can have the normal street map, plus a good race fuel or Torco map, as well as a valet and low boost map if you have someone else driving the car.

Given you mod level you could start with one of our PDX OTS maps, which we have for based on WA fuel. You could at some point get a custom dyno tune, which can net you a better map, as well as a good Torco map. We also have STU maps available if you are an autocrosser.

www.pdxtuning.com

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Yes I do Autocross sometimes. But he car will be mainly street driver and my commute car. Autocross map sounds great

How much are premade maps? Or I should just come and do Protune so save money in the long run.
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Old 07-27-2006, 04:22 PM   #12
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Yes I do Autocross sometimes. But he car will be mainly street driver and my commute car. Autocross map sounds great

How much are premade maps? Or I should just come and do Protune so save money in the long run.
If you are going to stick with this mod level, I would do the protune. Part of the reason you go with some form of EM is the extract the most out of the dollars you have already spent (on parts). If you do a Protune, there are a couple of quick things you should consider:

(1) Put in one range colder Iridium plugs. We always have these in stock and could install them before a tune, or you could install them yourself. Not hard to do at all.

(2) Bring the fuel from your area. If you are planning on getting a race gas tune (MS103 SCCA legal fuel, or the 109 unleaded), or Torco, you would want to have about a 1/4 tank full, with an additional 5 gallons of pump fuel in a container. This allows you to make the most you tune by getting tuned with the fuels you might want to run with.

The OTS maps by definition are biased more toward the average. The Protune session is what really makes the EM come alive, and most of all it can diagnose and small problems before they get bigger.

If your interested in something like this, give us a ring.

Cheers,

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Old 07-27-2006, 04:27 PM   #13
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Great Thank you. I will give you a call as soon as I get My Car finished and everything Installed.

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Old 07-27-2006, 07:08 PM   #14
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Great Thank you. I will give you a call as soon as I get My Car finished and everything Installed.

Peter

sweet man, either way I am excited for you! this stuff is so much fun!
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Old 07-27-2006, 09:40 PM   #15
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I just got 300whp at PDX w/ a Stage 2 UTEC on a 90 degree day.
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Old 07-27-2006, 11:45 PM   #16
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A PDXTuning AP tune with a Torco map and a STU map would be awesome for your car.
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Old 07-28-2006, 11:04 AM   #17
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I am sorry for my ignorance. But what does Torco and STU maps means? and anyone knows were I can get a set of one range colder Iridium plugs Locally close to Everett.

VTR?
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Old 07-28-2006, 12:03 PM   #18
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STU = Street Touring U Autocross Class. STU allows engine reflash barring any change to boost maps.

http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/Fil...solo_rules.pdf

http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/Solo/c...sification.pdf

TORCO is high octane goodness.
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Old 09-11-2006, 04:38 PM   #19
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Invidia V1 HeatWrapped DP with Espelir JGT500.

I think I am ready for EM Now I just need to find Killer deal on 05 STi Cobb AP and get it Tunned.

Anyone Else in Great Seattle area does AP tunning that will not cost me arm and a leg?
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Old 09-11-2006, 04:48 PM   #20
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ap all the way. unless you need to do some real tuning dont waste the money on a utec. i had ap on my wrx and it made some good power.
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