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Old 08-07-2006, 02:11 PM   #1
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I am currently protuned by mike@gruppe-s. I put down 255whp 279 wtrq; helix catless dp, greddy evo II catback, cobb ap....


I am hungry for more power and want your guys opinions as to what turbo I should get. I want this turbo to bring me into the low 12's consistently with mediocre driving(i am pretty good at the strip anyway, i just want something that will have gobs of power...not going garett series though


my choices are....FP20G and FPGREEN

1. FP20G has almost stock spool characteristics with a great top end(my friend has one and his car pulls so hard and has almost stock lag he is internally gated)...he runs his with a perrin tmic still need avcr

2. FPGREEN internally gated has the power potential to but me consistently where i want to be, and i can use a spearco tmic to mitigate the greens lag avcr necessary

3. FP20G with aps/perrin fmic, externally gated (probably not anyway) avcr

4. FPGREEN with aps/perrin fmic, externally gated (gotta think of welding cost and big maf/blow through, avcr



what would you guys choose?, as well as some other turbo choices...tuning is taken car of thanks to mike and the ap!

don't bother mentioning the sz55 it runs like crap on 91 octane here in cali
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Old 08-07-2006, 02:14 PM   #2
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money is not an issue, as i have my motorcycle now and the car isn't really getting driven much, i am not spening money on mods now and i have A LOT of time to save money...she's gonna sit with low mileage and await a new setup...even if it's not for 6 months...i really don't care...i want to put down at least 330 whp on the heartbreaker dyno if i go with choice 4
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Old 08-07-2006, 02:42 PM   #3
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I would go with choice four, FPgreen is a nice turbo for the 2.5, IMO needs a FMIC
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:01 PM   #4
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I would go with choice four, FPgreen is a nice turbo for the 2.5, IMO needs a FMIC
i kinda want to stick with a tmic


reasons: minimize lag and...

If i get into a fender bender, i have engine damage



it has always been a dream of mine to have a fmic...but it's just not practical for me and the green is gonna be laggy with a fmic....plus i want a functional hoodscoop...i have no plans of going scoopless and wingless
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:15 PM   #5
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Just because you get a FMIC doesn't mean you have to go scoopless and wingless.. And here in cali,. with the hot summers, i would think a FMIC with that setup would be almost necessary. I too would also choose the 4th setup with perrin FMIC. Good luck on your decision!
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:17 PM   #6
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Injen makes a FMIC that requires no bumper beam modifications if you're concerned with crash protection. I've heard that it can heat soak a bit in really hot weather because it's not the biggest FMIC, but it certainly can't be anywhere near as bad as any TMIC.
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Old 08-07-2006, 04:23 PM   #7
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i just kinda want to keep a functional hoodscoop(i hate lag and am willing to sacrifice the 30 whp loss bc of no fmi)c...i would not have to worry about stones and other damage to my fmic..especially bc it would be black, and here in cali it is an easily spotted mod with all that piping under my hood
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Old 08-07-2006, 05:20 PM   #8
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Get a green with tmic and call it a day. It's not the heat that's going to kill you, it's the cops out here. Keep it a sleeper and low profile.

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Old 08-07-2006, 05:53 PM   #9
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yah you are right ron; your advice was the first one i took and that's what i am sticking with green internally gated with a spearco; i just wanted to see what others thought


what is going on with your car, call me when you get a chance. My gf got into that school so we celebrated and she wanted to drink so no mt.hammy for us

i heard it was a blast!

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Old 08-07-2006, 05:54 PM   #10
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i might think about that water injection kit too...what do you think?
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:27 PM   #11
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i might think about that water injection kit too...what do you think?
Mt. Hammy was cool, it was actually raining on my way there and I was sliding all over the place with my bold tires. I think the injection would definitely help you out in terms power, it's like race gas in a smaller package.

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Old 08-07-2006, 06:44 PM   #12
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were people driving fast or no? We gotta go up there soon...i need suspension work bad though!
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were people driving fast or no? We gotta go up there soon...i need suspension work bad though!

So and so! I drove there myself.
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Just to put your mind at ease a bit with the FMIC, i have been running one in socal for over a year with only being pulled over for it once, and it wasn't even a big deal, i didnt have to take it off or anything. I run the Perrin one that stands out alot too because it isn't black. As for stones and such, i thought about that too and worried about all thwe coils getting bent, and it's been over a year now since i've had it and i don't have a single bent coil, or any rock chips whatsoever. I can't say the same for my hood or bumper , but honestly i can't believe how well it's held up, i at least expected a bit of rock damage, but none! Also, a 30whp loss from running a TMIC won't be the only problem, it will be harder to tune because it gets heatsoaked so bad, when you drive around light to light, you will heatsoak REALLY bad and the ecu will pull massive timing, making your car feel super slow until it cools off. It just won't run nearly as consistant as with a FMIC, but if you are set on a TMIC, good luck and i hope you enjoy it! Just wanted to throw that in to give you something to think about.
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:31 PM   #15
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Injen makes a FMIC that requires no bumper beam modifications if you're concerned with crash protection. I've heard that it can heat soak a bit in really hot weather because it's not the biggest FMIC, but it certainly can't be anywhere near as bad as any TMIC.
Injen's FMIC is too small for these turbos...
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Just to put your mind at ease a bit with the FMIC, i have been running one in socal for over a year with only being pulled over for it once, and it wasn't even a big deal, i didnt have to take it off or anything. I run the Perrin one that stands out alot too because it isn't black. As for stones and such, i thought about that too and worried about all thwe coils getting bent, and it's been over a year now since i've had it and i don't have a single bent coil, or any rock chips whatsoever. I can't say the same for my hood or bumper , but honestly i can't believe how well it's held up, i at least expected a bit of rock damage, but none! Also, a 30whp loss from running a TMIC won't be the only problem, it will be harder to tune because it gets heatsoaked so bad, when you drive around light to light, you will heatsoak REALLY bad and the ecu will pull massive timing, making your car feel super slow until it cools off. It just won't run nearly as consistant as with a FMIC, but if you are set on a TMIC, good luck and i hope you enjoy it! Just wanted to throw that in to give you something to think about.

thanks man, i appreciate any opinion and you are always welcome to throw down anything you have to say in my threads...as for tuning, i'm sure that the heat will be looked at by my tuner if i end up going with a tmic(he's the best imo)

ron and my other friends run tmic's and have great results...
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ron and my other friends run tmic's and have great results...[/quote]

Haha! Don't credit me too much, I'm known to have gone through 8 intercoolers and 6 different kind of turbos within a 1 year period and still counting. I think you will get the most power out of the green by using a fmic like everyone is saying, but your goal is only low 12's and I'm also thinking high 11's, so a tmic will be more than adequate to get you there. It's been proven from people I know, heck I've done it myself on the down low. You just need a good pit crew to back you up! Just to let you know Earl is gunning for 12.1-12.2 with his sti powered vf39 on pump gas unleaded.
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Green with external WG, and Perrin FMIC, TGV delete and port, u'll be like running with TMIC still
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ron and my other friends run tmic's and have great results...
Haha! Don't credit me too much, I'm known to have gone through 8 intercoolers and 6 different kind of turbos within a 1 year period and still counting. I think you will get the most power out of the green by using a fmic like everyone is saying, but your goal is only low 12's and I'm also thinking high 11's, so a tmic will be more than adequate to get you there. It's been proven from people I know, heck I've done it myself on the down low. You just need a good pit crew to back you up! Just to let you know Earl is gunning for 12.1-12.2 with his sti powered vf39 on pump gas unleaded.[/quote]


oh yah, i just meant that earl and kirby and you have and do make great power with the tmic; i know i'll have lost a good amount of power becuase of not going with a fmic

the spearco tmic will be definately adequate for my goals and daily driveability

The pit crew is no joke, 12.1-12.2 will happen in earls beastly STi
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Green with external WG, and Perrin FMIC, TGV delete and port, u'll be like running with TMIC still

i don't think i'm gonna go external....i think i can get away with spending like 3000 bucks on an internally gated green, spearco tmic, injectors, fuel pump, avcr, and a tune ofcoarse
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