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Old 08-24-2006, 12:20 PM   #76
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Alot of diffrent cars are running methanol with no problems I am sure that some might place the reservoir in the trunk but it seems that if you put it in a place in the engine compartment that either gets some wind or is not in direct heat from the engine or headers it should be ok. I've been running it for over a month now and never had any problems.
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:32 PM   #77
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My friend now has bigger issues than boiling meth...

the Flojet pump is now leaking

I'm saying the seals went bad...
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:00 PM   #78
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Good thing smc has a moneyback gaurantee.
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:50 PM   #79
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Nope not heat wrapped ... My pump is mounted underneath the battery not in the engine compartment.

Just spoke with Julio and he said as long as the pump is away from heat you guys will be fine.

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Old 08-24-2006, 02:12 PM   #80
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Like I said above, I have mine under the hood under the SPT intake and seoerated by the SPT heatshield. No problems thus far 3 months. I do not get on it hard enough on a daily basis to see if I have the pump over heating problem.
No trunk in the wagon and I dont want the liquids leaking in the cabin if I ever had a leak.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:06 PM   #81
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Nope not heat wrapped ... My pump is mounted underneath the battery not in the engine compartment.

Just spoke with Julio and he said as long as the pump is away from heat you guys will be fine.
Tiago.. I wont chime in on a competitors product. Suggest they call Steve at SMC for technical assistance with their systems.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:14 PM   #82
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My friend now has bigger issues than boiling meth...

the Flojet pump is now leaking

I'm saying the seals went bad...
same thing happened to me... smc sent me a new pump. they are working on diff seals.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:27 PM   #83
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same thing happened to me... smc sent me a new pump. they are working on diff seals.
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Old 08-29-2006, 03:26 AM   #84
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Would there be similar problems with Denatured Alcohol vs the Meth? Im running 100% denatured alcohol in my stock washer tank and havnt seen and problems yet. Car was run on a dyno for 2 hours and had no problems with it.
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Old 08-29-2006, 05:25 AM   #85
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Would there be similar problems with Denatured Alcohol vs the Meth? Im running 100% denatured alcohol in my stock washer tank and havnt seen and problems yet. Car was run on a dyno for 2 hours and had no problems with it.
Mine was fine on 2 hours of dyno pulls also, yet the hood was open. Was yours? I noticed my problem 1st 20-30min of driving after coming off the dyno when the hood was shut. Since its only going to get cooler out, if you havent any problems now you shouldn't. IMHO Unless the denatured breaks down the seals in the pump like meth.

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Hippy will be proud of me. lol (he is the one who got me interested in the first place) Yes, like it MUCH more than the N2O. thanks for helping me see the light.
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Old 08-29-2006, 12:10 PM   #86
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Car has been fine for the past 3 days. No problems at all. Id be curious to know if anyone has information about denatured alcohol breaking down the seals of the pump.
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Old 08-29-2006, 01:46 PM   #87
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This is why I recommend you guys spending a little more $$$ and going with proven kits that haven't had pump problems like Alky Control .... I hope everyone here gets their issues resolved with SMC. Running pure meth here for over 3 months (car is daily driven) not a single problem
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Old 08-29-2006, 03:00 PM   #88
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Why do you think alky control kits are any different then any of the other kits out there? Imo it's the same as 99.9% of the kits on the market. It's a diy kit that they put together for you.

If someone made a kit themself, they might have a better chance of avoiding design problems then if you baught any of the kits from the companies out there. I mean, this would make it so you could choose where to mount things like your pump and tank instead of being limited by their design. Whether the problem is short tubing which makes it impossible to mount stuff in a good spot(could be a problem with any "kit"), having the right size nozzle, having a pump that doesn't get hotter then the boiling temp of the liquid being used(which alky control does not do), or whatever. Or the same person could praise the company he/she baught the kit from, but that doesn't make the kit any different then the other 99.9% of the kits on the market which are basically the same.

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Old 08-29-2006, 03:22 PM   #89
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Yes they're so so similar that is why mine never had any problems running pure meth.

If you take time and actually call Julio and talk to him he'll explain why, but let's just say alky control's pumps are almost over engineered. I chose Alky Control because of the quality of the components/pump/features and also because I have the ability of actually talking to the owner who designed and built the kit. More than enough peace of mind.

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Old 08-29-2006, 03:45 PM   #90
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Yes they're so so similar that is why mine never had any problems running pure meth.

If you take time and actually call Julio and talk to him he'll explain why, but let's just say alky control's pumps are almost over engineered. I chose Alky Control because of the quality of the components/pump/features and also because I have the ability of actually talking to the owner who designed and built the kit. More than enough peace of mind.
Coolingmist thinks their pumps are special too. They use the same brand pump as your kit does(as far as I know, not that it would matter either way), and so do a bunch of other companies(go figure right?). If you call any company, they will usually try to tell you why their products are the best, even if/when they are not. That's the way companies work. Just cause you beleive the propoganda(like people beleive smc's propoganda, and coolingmists, and whoever elses), that doesn't make their kits any better.

Maybe you should wait a year b4 you start talkin about not having problems? Was your car tuned for the injection? What kinda aftermarket ems do you have? What would happen if something went wrong? Does your kit have a flow sensor? How do you even know the kit's working well? Do you really have peace of mind just cause some guy at the company you baught the kit from says it won't fail(if so, good luck)? Do you think you coulda made the same kit with a flow sensor for less then you paid? Do you really think your kit is special?

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Old 08-29-2006, 03:51 PM   #91
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+1
Aquamist now also has a "Shurflo built" pump as well, it's of course VERY special
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Old 08-29-2006, 04:28 PM   #92
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Way too much typing for me, but from other people that have alky control kits no problems for a long time 6+ months (I know a couple) and mine so far so good. PROVEN propaganda.

So we start talking about EMS now ok My car was tuned by Scott Siegel using EcuTek. Yes I do have a flow sensor/light and if you want to know details of the kit talk to Julio -> www.alkycontrol.com

I made my decision because of what I wrote in my previous post and because I think the components of the kit are well designed and the pump literally over engineered, so ya really nothing that special

Once again for those considering buying meth injection kit consider Alky Control. BTW do you or any of your friends work for SMC or Coolingmist? j/k pEACE!

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Old 08-29-2006, 05:55 PM   #93
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Did you install your kit? Do you know how it works? Did you tune your car with it? Do you know what would happen if the nozzle got clogged? What size nozzle are you using? Is their pump really special? Do you really have a flow sensor(cause I can't find one on alky controls website)? Should you question the validity of what your tuner and kit manufacturer tell you? Are some(or all) of these things good to know or do before/when getting/having a kit or advising someone else to get one? Imo you should not be telling anyone what kit to get. Not that I should either, but I don't. I mean it's nice that you like your kit, but you probably have no clue if it's working or not, and you might regret beleiving the people you beleived if you end up having problems. People who you recommend the kit to might regret you recommending it too.

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Old 08-29-2006, 06:44 PM   #94
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People make their own decisions. Forums are made for opinions/things to be posted.

Julio installed my kit while I watched him do it. the website is pretty outdated - call Julio 05/06 custom sti kits available. I am just posting my opinion and my good experience so far. IMO u need some beer and a big steak.

Good luck guys!

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Old 08-29-2006, 06:57 PM   #95
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....done, sorry for taking off topic.

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Old 08-30-2006, 08:38 PM   #96
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....done, sorry for taking off topic.

peace.
Hippy.. you are more than welcome to come by my shop.. your local.

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I have no desire to educate my competition with what and how.

Hows this statement.. Not a single pump failure on any pump sold after Oct '05. Yes there are protections in place, Yup its special.. and issues handled that I dont speak about reguarding "Shurflo" pumps. I'm not in business to "give away" information. And yes the problems posted in this thread.. exist. And some of those from poor design.

Becuase something is not on a website doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Researching products just from MFG websites doesnt lead to the best information.. what does.. internet forums where users can state their opinions and list performance. That Google and Yahoo can find out just about anything on anyone.

Leave ya with this.. Nascar teams use Holley's.. rite.. bet you cant buy a Holley used on a Roush Team Mustang from Summit So saying what I do and everyone else does is the same is total misinformation from someone who spends a lot of time on the net.

Just like saying all Holleys are junk.. becuase the 160 dollar one you bought at Summit runs rich. So careful how you cast your paint strokes.

Sad to see such a Bias without ever digging or picking up a phone and calling. And yes there are a bunch of design problems with what your fellow enthusiasts are doing.

I'm not a Vendor on these boards, and dont want my posts to come across as if i'm trying to sell anything. Thanks Tiago for your support.

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Old 08-30-2006, 09:12 PM   #97
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Thanks Julio for chiming in good to hear your shop is open!
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Thanks Julio for chiming in good to hear your shop is open!
Thanks..

Its been like barbeque sauce.. keep playing with ingredients till you get things just rite..

New shop has been open since July 1st. Those GM's have been keeping me hammered.

Wish I had more time for R&D of some new ideas.. hopefully for this winter.. I hate gimmicks
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For those of you that are not sure why some pumps fail and some pumps do not it is a matter of the seals. some companies have custom pumps with special upgrade seals, others use the seals that came with the pumps from the factory.

With Shurflo there are 3 major types of seals.

Viton
Buna
EPDM

Viton is the seal that most shurflo pumps have. The Northern Tool version is a good example. Viton will work great with a 50/50 mix of methanol/water. It will not hold up to 100% methanol.

Buna on the other hand will handle 100% methanol but has a lackluster heat resistance. Most buna seals cannot handle more than 180 F without swelling.

EPDM can typically handle over 300F and pure methanol. If you put EPDM seals in your shurflo pump or buy a shurflo pump with EPDM seals you can run methanol all day and night and the pump will never fail because of the methanol. The seals simply will not be affected.
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And some pump have built in thermal limiters that will kill power to the pump if their temperature rating is exceeded.

Some pumps have screws and hardware that will corrode and fail if subjected to straight methanol.

Some pumps have issues with seals coming apart.

Some pumps will tear their seals if continuosly bounced of their pressure limit..(small nozzle.. wink)

Some pumps will burn their switches when subjected to continuos bypassed loads..

Some pumps will come apart when subjected to extended vibration issues.....



They are all Shurflo pumps.. what can be the difference
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