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Old 08-07-2006, 12:53 AM   #1
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Default WTB: BG Legacy GT Front bumper

just ran into some dude's truck trailer hitch. the dude decided to hit the brakes a bit harder than necessary. after speaking to the cop that saw the whole thing he decided that it was my fault and i wouldn't get anywhere trying to get the guy that was in front of me since i hit him.....sweet.

anyways, didn't do anything to his truck, but the hitch killed my bumper. i guess i've been wanting a legacy gt bumper anyways to replace my ugly one from my 95 L. So if anyone has one, or knows of one, let me know.
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Old 08-07-2006, 04:39 AM   #2
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good luck, it took me almost five months to find the one i have. and just so you know, the GT bumper won't just bolt on, you either have to make some "strategic cuts", or get a bumper support from a GT (which can also be a pain to locate).

if you're interested though, i'll give you my L bumper if you pay shipping. it's got the center "grill" pieces cut off, but otherwise it's in pretty good shape. it's painted white, but you can always get it repainted if you need to.
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Old 08-07-2006, 05:56 AM   #3
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You should probably put the model year of the GT you're looking for in your subject line. There are two whole generations of GTs that won't fit.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:03 PM   #4
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good luck, it took me almost five months to find the one i have. and just so you know, the GT bumper won't just bolt on, you either have to make some "strategic cuts", or get a bumper support from a GT (which can also be a pain to locate).

if you're interested though, i'll give you my L bumper if you pay shipping. it's got the center "grill" pieces cut off, but otherwise it's in pretty good shape. it's painted white, but you can always get it repainted if you need to.
I was wondering how difficult it would be. Now when you say bumper support, are you talking the foam, or the reinforcement, or something else?

any chance you could send a few pics of the old L bumper?
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:26 PM   #5
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most likely he's talking about the BG/BD/BK generation since that's what he's got.

as far as how difficult the "conversion" is, it really wasn't all that hard, once i figured out how to do it. the bumper support is the metal piece that attaches to the front of the chassis, it "supports" the bumper, so to speak. don't have any pics because i never bothered to take any. but suffice to say that the front bumper support on the L is the wrong shape for the GT bumper (and the Outback bumper, in case you were thinking about that).

the parts that fit underneath the headlights, you have to make some cuts into them so they'll fit. and the part that goes underneath the grill, i had to cut that off completely, because it wasn't sitting flush with the bumper. once i did that though, the bumper fit just fine. it's secured with two rivots underneath each headlamp, and one screw in each fenderwell. so far, i've had no problems with that set up at all, and that does include some really stupid high-speed sprints on the freeway.

as far as pics, i'll see what i can do. might not be able to get any taken until this weekend though.
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:24 PM   #6
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I see.....yah, some pics where you had to do what would be rad. Although I might just take it into a shop and see what they can do.

I'm looking for a BG LGT bumper by the way...although i might just replace with the same bumper if it's going to be a big pain in the ass.

So, If I were to get an LGT or outback grille, or one of those mesh 'jdm' grilles on ebay then i wouldn't have to do any of that cutting for the grille right?
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Old 08-07-2006, 09:53 PM   #7
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You guys know you can buy a new bumper skin OEM from subaru for like $150 bucks. Granted you'd still have to paint it to match but likely cheaper and easier then shipping one across the country.
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Old 08-07-2006, 10:19 PM   #8
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Yah, I know. Just figured that one out. Still need to know how to make the LGT one work if I get it though. Found a replacement L bumper for $100 shipped on ebay though if I decide thats the route I take.
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Old 08-08-2006, 11:30 PM   #9
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Legacy GT bumpers are identicle to other Legacys for the same year.

'95 and '96 Legacys use identical bumpers, with little to no drop for the grill section (which is rather narrow).

The '97 through '99 Legacys have the more rectanglar (as opposed to square) fog lights and a much deeper drop below the larger grille section.

Both style bumpers look fine.

Fitting an Outback bumper (well a '96 - '99 Outback bumper) to a stock Legacy really looks awesome, if you ever decide to customize your car (although repainting the bumper to body colour is a fair amount of work).
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Old 08-09-2006, 12:10 AM   #10
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Legacy GT bumpers are identicle to other Legacys for the same year.

'95 and '96 Legacys use identical bumpers, with little to no drop for the grill section (which is rather narrow).

The '97 through '99 Legacys have the more rectanglar (as opposed to square) fog lights and a much deeper drop below the larger grille section.

Both style bumpers look fine.

Fitting an Outback bumper (well a '96 - '99 Outback bumper) to a stock Legacy really looks awesome, if you ever decide to customize your car (although repainting the bumper to body colour is a fair amount of work).

no, the bumper covers for the '97-'99 GT (and '98-'99 L, 30th anniversary edition, and i believe the LSi as well) are very different from the L bumpers. if they were the same, i wouldn't have had so much trouble swapping mine on. the differences are much greater than just the fog light openings.
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Old 08-09-2006, 06:39 AM   #11
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Fitting an Outback bumper (well a '96 - '99 Outback bumper) to a stock Legacy really looks awesome, if you ever decide to customize your car (although repainting the bumper to body colour is a fair amount of work).
I saw a white BD decked out like that at my local dealer... Looked good!
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Old 08-09-2006, 09:21 AM   #12
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no, the bumper covers for the '97-'99 GT (and '98-'99 L, 30th anniversary edition, and i believe the LSi as well) are very different from the L bumpers. if they were the same, i wouldn't have had so much trouble swapping mine on. the differences are much greater than just the fog light openings.
Well what year and model is your car? You haven't put that information in your profile.

I find it really hard to believe that the bumper support is different on the L and the other Legacys in the same model year. That's not just a bumper support, that's the front impact absorbing structure, which means if the L is different than any other Legacy that Subaru would have had to get each Legacy model independently crash tested to be legal here. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it just seems strange that Subaru would do it that way.

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Old 08-09-2006, 03:58 PM   #13
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I thought I put it up.
I have a BK, looking for a BG bumper. I've been told by 'that one legacy' there are differences, and some cutting is involved.
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Old 08-09-2006, 06:32 PM   #14
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The one thing that I want to know is why the 98-99 Brighton is listed differently as a 97-99 GT.



From just looking at the cars, the bumper looks the same. Maybe it has something to do with fog light covers vs no fog light covers.
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Old 08-09-2006, 08:14 PM   #15
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How does one go about removing the front bumper support structure? Outbacks are a dime a dozen out here. There are wrecked listings every month or so here.
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:26 AM   #16
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okay, i was working on getting all my lights set up today (for like the 10th time, my neighbors must think i'm crazy!), and i snapped some pics of the bumper while i was at it:

here's a shot of the bumper on the car, with everything on (note: the front end doesn't look like this anymore, this is before i put all the lights back on):



note the black strip right underneath the grill? that's where i had to cut off the strip that attaches underneath the grill. that piece actually extends up and over the bumper support, but because of its shape, it would not work with my front end.

here's a shot from an angle, just to give a different view:



the hardest part to fit, which i'm not sure if you can see it, is right in the corners of where i had to cut that big strip off. they're competely angled, and i had to make some pretty deep cuts into the bumper to get that part to fit.

here's a shot with the grill and headlights off (and the hood open of course):



and here's a closer shot of the same thing:



you can kinda see the corners that i was talking about, right at the ends of the black strip (which is actually a length of door edge guard. without it, all you see is cut up bumper plastic. i have yet to sand that down and smooth it out).

here's a shot of how the bumper is secured under the passenger-side headlight (the driver's side is secured the same way):



and here's the shots of the cuts i had to make to get that to work:






now i'm not saying that this is the only way that this can be done. in fact, cutting the strip in the center might not even be neccessary, i don't know because that was the first thing i did, but it still wouldn't fit (because i hadn't made the cuts under the headlights yet). in any case, with these cuts made (and all i used was a box knife, and a lot of patience), the bumper fits very well. yes there is that horrible gap in the front, but once i get a bigger grill, you won't be able to see it. i have found though, that most people who actually see the car don't notice that big gap at first, i usually have to point it out before they see it!
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Old 08-10-2006, 02:52 PM   #17
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OK, I see now. So the cut on the center attachment piece was the only bit of cutting you did do then? Just want to make sure. Thanks so much for posting these!
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Old 08-10-2006, 08:25 PM   #18
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no, the parts that go underneath the headlights have to be cut. it's a bit hard to explain, but if you look at the mounting points on your L bumper, you'll notice that the tabs in that area are shaped somewhat similarly to how they are on mine. well if you look straight into the mounting areas, you'll notice that's because there's devisions between the mounting holes. on the GT bumper, where the cover mounts underneath the headlights, it's just one long strip of plastic, so unless you cut it to clear those divisions, the bumper won't fit correctly.

like i said, i don't even know for sure if the center strip needs to be cut off, because i didn't figure out the mounting tabs underneath the headlights until after i'd already cut the center strip off (that's what i get for rushing). it's very possible that you might be able to get that center strip to work without cutting it, but the "corners" that i was talking about (i can highlight them if you're not sure what i'm talking about) still may not fit correctly, so you'd at least have to shave them down. even with all those cuts made though, like i told you before, get the right grill, and you'll never see it.
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Old 08-10-2006, 11:21 PM   #19
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Once again, what year is your car, that one legacy? My guess it's a '95 or '96.

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yes it's a '95 L
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Old 08-11-2006, 10:55 AM   #21
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yes it's a '95 L
In other words, Jonathan's explanation of why the bumper didn't fit right on your car was exactly correct. Your advice to seowitz, who also has a '95 car, is correct, but your blanket statement that "no, the bumper covers for the '97-'99 GT (and '98-'99 L, 30th anniversary edition, and i believe the LSi as well) are very different from the L bumpers" is not correct. All of the '95/96 cars had a bumper that went straight across between the headlights - no dip below the grille. As such, the bumper support also went straight across.

The '97-99 GT and Outback has a dip under the grille, and the bumper support is a different shape than the earlier style - see here, which is my '97 bumper support. I've only found pictures of '98/99 base model Legacys, and they have that same dip (so the bumper support would have to be the same shape, otherwise the grille wouldn't fit). I think the '97 base model Legacy has a bumper like the '95/96 cars based on what I've seen, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

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The one thing that I want to know is why the 98-99 Brighton is listed differently as a 97-99 GT.

From just looking at the cars, the bumper looks the same. Maybe it has something to do with fog light covers vs no fog light covers.
The non-GT brother doesn't have fog light covers, but there are vanes (for lack of a better word) across what would be the fog light holes on the GT. Since they're (as far as know) a permanently molded part of the bumper, and not just a bolted on cover, the bumper covers are different parts.

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How does one go about removing the front bumper support structure?
Pretty easy. There are held in place by two bolts on each side going into the top of the frame rail behind the headlights - I think they've got 14mm heads on 'em, but it could be 12mm. One is right behind the headlights, and the other is about 3 or 4 inches behind the first. On the driver side the rear bolt is nearly under the battery tray, but you can remove it without removing the battery. On the passenger side I had to remove something to get to the rear bolt.

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In other words, Jonathan's explanation of why the bumper didn't fit right on your car was exactly correct. Your advice to seowitz, who also has a '95 car, is correct, but your blanket statement that "no, the bumper covers for the '97-'99 GT (and '98-'99 L, 30th anniversary edition, and i believe the LSi as well) are very different from the L bumpers" is not correct. All of the '95/96 cars had a bumper that went straight across between the headlights - no dip below the grille. As such, the bumper support also went straight across.
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i could argue with you on this, but i'll just say thank you for the unncessary lecture. no offense intended, mind you, i just think you could have explained this without being such a jack ass about it.
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Old 08-12-2006, 09:11 AM   #23
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i could argue with you on this, but i'll just say thank you for the unncessary lecture. no offense intended, mind you, i just think you could have explained this without being such a jack ass about it.
To say your statement was incorrect is being a jack ass? I didn't insult you in any way, shape, or form, I just pointed out your statement was incorrect and then provided the information to demonstrate why. I don't think that's a "lecture", but if you want to take offense when someone tells you you're wrong, go for it.

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Old 08-12-2006, 04:22 PM   #24
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patrick is just VERY direct and very blunt in his responses. he wasn't meaning to make you feel bad. Let it go and move on...

If you want to argue about something, we should be asking seowitz why in the heck he is shocked to hear that he is at fault for the wreck. The reason why we are supposed to have a safe distance between us and the car infront of us is to avoid wrecks. People may have to stop fast for all sorts of reasons, and you are supposed to be prepared to do the same...
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