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Old 08-16-2006, 06:29 PM   #1
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I have an '04 STi and it has burned more oil every change. I bought it brand new from Phagan Lewis Subaru in Corpus Christi, TX back in late Nov of '03. Do to my military career I have only been able to rack up 18,XXX miles on the car. I broke it in for 1000 miles keeping it under 4k and varying the speeds to never crusie at the same rpm. I had the oil changed every time at the dealer. I have ZERO mods, none. not even the jdm hazard button. I always used premium fuel and I stared using the Mobile 1 syn after 4k. I had the oil changed after the 1k break in and with dyno oil until 4k. I burned about 1 qt the first 1-4k miles with dyno juice. After that I started losing 1.5-2 quarts per oil change. I just had the oil changed @ 16k at the dealer and measure it myself. Halfway through this oil change @ 18,000 miles I have burned almost 3 quarts of mobile1. where did it go?

Took this to the dealership since day one and they said it will burn less over time and this is "normal". Now my car is vibrating at stops lights and idling is super bumpy. Performance has dropped. If I had a boost gauge I bet it would say I am not boosting as hard (had dealership check for leaks and there were none). that cost me $75 just too look for leaks.

So now that my car is running bad and swallowing oil left and right (no leaks btw) I take it in to the dealership. They say they hooked my computer up and they can tell I have been racing it. YEAH RIGHT! I don't even have ANY mods let alone the want/time to race my car. Sure I drive my car fast, it is an STi, that's why I bought it. It's fast. They are saying I probalby have cracked ringlands and that is where my oil is going. They say they will not cover it under abuse and won't know the extent of the damage until they get the motor apart. I just don't get how they can do that. I brought it to them everytime. I took care of my car and garaged it. I love my car except for all the oil eating issues. I have no other compalints.

What can I do? I called SOA and they sent out a rep and he denied it based on the information the dealership gave them. Seems they are working together on this. I just don't get this since the dealership changed my oil everytime and documented the oil loss getting progressively worse.
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Old 08-16-2006, 06:52 PM   #2
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How many miles were on it when you bought it?

Sounds to me like they let some people test drive the car before it was sold and let them dog it out. I'f they tried to tell you that the car would burn less oil over time then thats a crock of **** and I would bring that up with the SOA rep. It might help to go into the showroom and blow a fuse on them. If other potential customers see the way they are trying to screw you then they might try to accomodate you so those customers aren't scared off.

Just my 2 cents.

Sounds like this dealer might not be on the up and up.
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Old 08-16-2006, 06:57 PM   #3
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did you do a hard break in or a easy break in?..my o4 was broke in hard and i burn about 1-2 ounces between oil changes

as far as the rough idle ...maybe cleaning the MAF with fast drying electronic cleaner

dealer says you beat on it??/ hmmm you must have hit the rev limiter for them to know that?
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Old 08-16-2006, 06:59 PM   #4
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How many miles were on it when you bought it?

Sounds to me like they let some people test drive the car before it was sold and let them dog it out. I'f they tried to tell you that the car would burn less oil over time then thats a crock of **** and I would bring that up with the SOA rep. It might help to go into the showroom and blow a fuse on them. If other potential customers see the way they are trying to screw you then they might try to accomodate you so those customers aren't scared off.

Just my 2 cents.

Sounds like this dealer might not be on the up and up.
Thanks for the input. I bought the car with 12 miles on it. I think that was getting it off the boat and onto the train or truck and off the truck onto the lot. Can't see that much abuse with almost 0 miles on it, but I am no mechanic so I can't say.

Being in the military I have to be careful of the way I act. I represent our country and the armed forces and going into a showroom floor and "blowing a fuse" is just not an option for me. I have to be diplomatic about the way I presue this. I can understand how some this works for them but I have never been that type. Their reasoning for it burning oil was the rings were not seated all the way and this take time they told me. They said it would eventually go away. Well it kept getting worse!
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:02 PM   #5
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did you do a hard break in or a easy break in?..my o4 was broke in hard and i burn about 1-2 ounces between oil changes

as far as the rough idle ...maybe cleaning the MAF with fast drying electronic cleaner

dealer says you beat on it??/ hmmm you must have hit the rev limiter for them to know that?
A hard break in? I described my break in procedure above. I didn't go over 4k rpms for the first 1000 miles and always varied my speeds.

I have hit my rev limiter before. It does happen. Just because you hit your rev limiter a few times this means you race it? It doesn't mean you could have had the stereo up lound and missed the light/sound that told you to shift @ 6k? I can't be the only one guilty of doing this?

I will try cleaning the MAF sensor but I will ask the dealership to do this as all I do to my car is fill the gas and check the oil level and fill the IC water and wiper water.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:06 PM   #6
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A hard break in? I described my break in procedure above. I didn't go over 4k rpms for the first 1000 miles and always varied my speeds.

I have hit my rev limiter before. It does happen. Just because you hit your rev limiter a few times this means you race it? It doesn't mean you could have had the stereo up lound and missed the light/sound that told you to shift @ 6k? I can't be the only one guilty of doing this?

I will try cleaning the MAF sensor but I will ask the dealership to do this as all I do to my car is fill the gas and check the oil level and fill the IC water and wiper water.
well when it hits the rev limiter it shows up....i still have not hit mine

errr the easy break in people tend to burn more oil according to IWSTI
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:12 PM   #7
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well when it hits the rev limiter it shows up....i still have not hit mine

errr the easy break in people tend to burn more oil according to IWSTI
I would have been more careful if I would have known they would have denied my warranty on this. I usually shift anywhere from 4.5k-5.5k and have my light set for 6k. I have maybe gone past that 5-6 time total in 3 yrs of ownership.... I mean the rev limiter is setup as to pull fuel to stop you from hurting the motor, or am I assuming something with that statement? This hard for me to deal with this right now since I am over seas and won't be back to Texas for 2 more months. I am just wondering what paper pushing I can do from here?
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:13 PM   #8
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I would have been more careful if I would have known they would have denied my warranty on this. I usually shift anywhere from 4.5k-5.5k and have my light set for 6k. I have maybe gone past that 5-6 time total in 3 yrs of ownership.... I mean the rev limiter is setup as to pull fuel to stop you from hurting the motor, or am I assuming something with that statement? This hard for me to deal with this right now since I am over seas and won't be back to Texas for 2 more months. I am just wondering what paper pushing I can do from here?
try posting this at www.IWSTI.com you may get alot more bites..the idle is an easy fix but the oil consumption is not...there are tons of oil usage posts....some neglect checking their oil to find it empty apon dealer visit
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:29 PM   #9
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try posting this at IWSTI you may get alot more bites..the idle is an easy fix but the oil consumption is not...there are tons of oil usage posts....some neglect checking their oil to find it empty apon dealer visit
Yeah mine was checked everytime I filled up my car, this way I documented what I had to put in for the dealer to look at later. I was never more than half a qt low to my knowledge. I just had to keep adding and keep adding. You shouldn't need to add oil every 500 miles I kept a log book as I do with all my vehicles.

I will try to post over there but to be honest I am new to the online forum thing and I don't have an account over there. I just created this account here as I was having problems and didn't know where to turn. NASIOC comes up first in google and seems to be big so I just singed up here.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:34 PM   #10
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well duty calls, time to go to work (it's 6:30a here ) I will check this when get off works this evening.
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:12 PM   #11
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Try a different dealerships, most dealerships will want to do warranty work since they get paid for it anyways. If the problem is with SOA not wanting to do the work under warranty give them a call.
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:52 PM   #12
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i think u should blow a fuse in the showroom floor, not in ur army outfit ;] sometimes being an a-hole gets things done the way u want them. gl
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:25 PM   #13
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Yeah mine was checked everytime I filled up my car, this way I documented what I had to put in for the dealer to look at later. I was never more than half a qt low to my knowledge. I just had to keep adding and keep adding. You shouldn't need to add oil every 500 miles I kept a log book as I do with all my vehicles.

I will try to post over there but to be honest I am new to the online forum thing and I don't have an account over there. I just created this account here as I was having problems and didn't know where to turn. NASIOC comes up first in google and seems to be big so I just singed up here.

the thing is IWSTI.COM is all STi all the time and this subject has been beaten to death over there sooo alot more info on this subject
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Old 08-17-2006, 02:17 AM   #14
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the thing is IWSTI.COM is all STi all the time and this subject has been beaten to death over there sooo alot more info on this subject
+1^^^a lot more info, it only takes a minute to register and there is A LOT of info wish i could help, my car never burns oil between oil changes (knock on wood), good luck though it should be covered
check out enjoythedrive.com it has a step by step guide to make the dealership own up to the warranty
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Old 08-17-2006, 03:07 AM   #15
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Being in the military I have to be careful of the way I act. I represent our country and the armed forces and going into a showroom floor and "blowing a fuse" is just not an option for me. I have to be diplomatic about the way I presue this.

I guess parking a tank at the service drive is out huh? Unless we are taking about that car being in iraq.


I think we should all email the G.M. of the store. Hand the email over to teh OT for direct mailing promptly.
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Old 08-17-2006, 06:01 AM   #16
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Part of your problem seems to be that the dealership is holding all the "mechanical knowledge" cards. I'd spend $100 to pay for an independent Subaru specialist mechanic/shop to examine your car and give you a detailed report, including possible causes for problems. This may be able to help you when the dealership trots out the "abuse" argument.
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:46 AM   #17
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You can always make a sign for your car that says " I bought this Lemon at XXX" and threaten to drive around with it. I've seen it done several times.
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