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Old 08-24-2006, 02:09 PM   #1
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Default My dealership just told me a CAI voids my warranty

I just called my dealership and they said ANY modification to the engine will void all the warranty on my vehicle.

The guy said they're not monsters and that if something goes wrong, they'll just ask me to reinstall the stock part and bring the car in for service, but still, I am concerned with this. I said: "can installing a CAI void my warranty regarding repairs on my transmission, for example", and he said Subaru just sent them an information bulletin saying any modification will void ALL warranty work...

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Old 08-24-2006, 02:11 PM   #2
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He is wrong
Ask to see the bulletin.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:14 PM   #3
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yeah i call bs on this one.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:16 PM   #4
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it voids a repair if it was the cause of the failure. At least thats how it SHOULD be. Not all dealerships follow that.

I know of an incident were a fellow had a short ram on his STi. It became plugged and dirt and grime got sucked into the piping and damaged the turbo. The turbo began to spin out all the oil and it of course starved the engine of oil and damaged the engine. After a new turbo, short block, heads and cams... he got his car back. All caused by the short ram and of course no warranty.

Just something to keep in mind. This doesn't happen every day but it can.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:18 PM   #5
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I have a 2006 2.5i

I assume a well maintained CAI that has a clean filter should not cause any trouble, and worst case scenario, I can reinstall the stock air filter and drive the car to another dealership.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:28 PM   #6
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I have a 2006 2.5i

I assume a well maintained CAI that has a clean filter should not cause any trouble, and worst case scenario, I can reinstall the stock air filter and drive the car to another dealership.
Well you want to maintain that filter either way lol. but yes thats pretty much it.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:29 PM   #7
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*ahem* YOUR WARRANTY CANNOT BE VOIDED!!!

They can deny you service because of aftermarket parts, but they have to prove that the part caused the damage.

i.e. if your radio goes out, they can't deny you service because of a cold air intake.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:35 PM   #8
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Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) .

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/magnusonmoss.htm
Print, take to the dealership and give it to the same indvidual who said they could void your warranty and ask him/her to have a nice day. (applies only if they can read) man that is one happily modified banana.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:41 PM   #9
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*ahem* YOUR WARRANTY CANNOT BE VOIDED!!!

They can deny you service because of aftermarket parts, but they have to prove that the part caused the damage.

i.e. if your radio goes out, they can't deny you service because of a cold air intake.
Your warranty CAN be voided if the vehicle is declared a total loss.

Coverage for anything will be declined if you are trying to get coverage in a country that is not covered under the SOA reiprocal agreement (canuckistan, PR are covered, Germany is not) however should you return to the US your warranty is still intact.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:42 PM   #10
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I am in Kunaduh... but I assume similar laws apply.

I also think what I was told is bullshat. That would be like them voiding a warranty for a K&N drop in filter or a new catback... What if I drive over a curb and bust up my exhaust and cat back and get an aftermarket one... they have no right to void my warranty.

I just wanted some opinions on this subject. Thanks.
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Old 08-24-2006, 03:21 PM   #11
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get what ever they say WRITTEN and SIGNED.
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:46 PM   #12
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He is full of CRAP! I work at a Subaru dealership and I know this cannot be done.
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:49 PM   #13
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If you have a WRX then don't get a CAI. It will make your car run lean to make power. Not good. In most cases it will actually lose you power. Don't get a CAI until you have 300whp with a dyno tune...
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:54 PM   #14
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A cai absolutely nukes the motors warranty, and if they want, the tranny and diffs. There is no such thing as a "voided warranty" on the entire car unless you are racing it. They can refuse to cover certain things under warranty though.

Use your friggin head people. It increases the power output beyond manufactures specifications. (even if it doesnt, thats what it is designed to do) and makes the motor operate outside manufacturers specifications, but mounting the Mass airflow sensor in a non stock location, this caused fueling issues (lean or rich) that caused the motor to fail/run poorly/whatever.

This is exactly what will be said in court, actually, to the arbitrator because it will never make it to court. And then you will walk out, having been ruled against, knowing I was right.

I have gone with the dealership to the arbitration several times, and the customer in 99% of cases loses. And dont bother even mentioning the Mag Moss act its completely outdated and is SO easy to get around. The arbitrator or judge is going to believe the "expert" over you or your lawyer, and its dead simple to relate almost any failure, to almost any modification.

That said, they cannot blame suspension issues or electrical or the like on the CAI.

I worked in the industry for over 7 years at dealerships (many more other places) and am back working in the industry again. Trust me on this one, a CAI can absolutely legally allow them to deny coverage. Just because some dealers chose to cover things, doesnt mean they HAVE to. In fact, if for instance you had a CAI on your motor, and your motor blew. They MAY chose to cover it. But if an SOA rep sees it, they are going to get in trouble and the job will be charged back to the shop.
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Old 08-24-2006, 04:58 PM   #15
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If you have a WRX then don't get a CAI. It will make your car run lean to make power. Not good. In most cases it will actually lose you power. Don't get a CAI until you have 300whp with a dyno tune...
Not all cais make you run lean.
Some cause you to run rich
Some cause inconsistant MAF readings that make the car run roughly or poorly in other ways.

Some work wonderfully. Most dont. And you can pick up power with one way before 300whp. Not much, but its there, but ONLY if you tune for it. Simply slapping a CAI on a wrx will do jack. On an STI on the other hand, there are pretty consistant gains with the APS cai.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:30 PM   #16
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Exactly what Davenow just said -

"The cold air intake causes the engine to operate outside of intended parameters set forth by the manufacturer. The operation of the engine outside of these parameters caused the premature failure of (insert ANY driveline or accessory component here - clutch, diff, driveshafts, CV joints, alternator, power steering....list goes on)"

Bottom line is if they can trace or attribute the failure of the component back to the engine (which was equipped with a performance altering intake), you're screwed.

But keep in mind, that's if the dealership really wants to screw you. Some are very mod friendly, some are not.
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Old 08-24-2006, 08:34 PM   #17
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I have a 2006 2.5i

I assume a well maintained CAI that has a clean filter should not cause any trouble, and worst case scenario, I can reinstall the stock air filter and drive the car to another dealership.
Yes.

However: you play, you pay. If you sell me a machine that you built, and you guarantee it for X amount of years, and I go jerking around with it and changing out parts to change the performance... you'd give me a pretty dirty look when I came back asking why it wasn't working right

The CAI is meant to allow the engine to make more power, basically. That gives the dealership a pretty broad brush with which to paint "cause of failure" if you have any engine problems later, and with good cause.

If you're going to change out parts like that, you better know how to keep them maintained and make certain your car is running smoothly... if you buy stuff off eBay and bolt it on and everything starts to screw up, don't run crying to SoA.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:49 PM   #18
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Yes.

However: you play, you pay. If you sell me a machine that you built, and you guarantee it for X amount of years, and I go jerking around with it and changing out parts to change the performance... you'd give me a pretty dirty look when I came back asking why it wasn't working right

The CAI is meant to allow the engine to make more power, basically. That gives the dealership a pretty broad brush with which to paint "cause of failure" if you have any engine problems later, and with good cause.

If you're going to change out parts like that, you better know how to keep them maintained and make certain your car is running smoothly... if you buy stuff off eBay and bolt it on and everything starts to screw up, don't run crying to SoA.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:51 PM   #19
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Tell your dealership to stick your CAI up their ass, turn it a little bit, and read the fine print. Gee, doesnt SPT sell a CAI? Oh wait, its a short ram. That's completely different.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:59 PM   #21
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your dealer is a moron, find another.
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Old 08-24-2006, 10:33 PM   #22
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Old 08-24-2006, 10:39 PM   #23
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Old 08-24-2006, 11:43 PM   #24
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Well you want to maintain that filter either way lol. but yes thats pretty much it.
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Old 08-25-2006, 03:55 AM   #25
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That said, they cannot blame suspension issues or electrical or the like on the CAI.
they still try. dealers blame the most amazing things.
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