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Old 08-25-2006, 08:17 AM   #1
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Just in the final stages of installing my new setup. Last week installed the SSAC FMIC and short intake. The fitment is pretty tight we had to do a A LOT of trimming. Don't have much of a front bumper left. Also, it was a very tight squeeze to close the hood, turbo side piping sticks up pretty high. Anybody else running the same have trouble with this?

Installing Deadbolt's TD05h - 18G dry center cartridge and Deatschwerks 750CC modded injectors today. I'm going to be running a map from TDC Tuning. Props to Jon for getting me the map in time...i know i was bugging the hell out of him. I'll post some pics and butt dyno graphs ASAP.

Anybody else running a similar setup with any dyno graphs or time slips??
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Old 08-25-2006, 08:24 AM   #2
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let me know, im going to run a similar setup tuned by him
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Old 08-25-2006, 08:25 AM   #3
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Good luck to you. I'll be joining the 18G club in the future too, let us know how everything goes.
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Old 08-25-2006, 08:26 AM   #4
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Yea, i was running one of Jon's VF34 maps for like a month. It was pretty sweet. Before that i had cobb's map and it totally sucked compared to his. I'll def. try to post some pics and let everyone know how it feels. I'm hoping i can hit 300whp thats all i want.
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Old 08-25-2006, 10:54 AM   #5
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Sounds like the exact setup I'm shooting for. Keep us up to date on the install.
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Old 08-25-2006, 11:10 AM   #6
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Sounds like the exact setup I'm shooting for. Keep us up to date on the install.
+1 on the 300whp goal. I'll be keeping up with this post thats for sure.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:13 PM   #7
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Just in the final stages of installing my new setup. Last week installed the SSAC FMIC and short intake. The fitment is pretty tight we had to do a A LOT of trimming. Don't have much of a front bumper left. Also, it was a very tight squeeze to close the hood, turbo side piping sticks up pretty high. Anybody else running the same have trouble with this?

Installing Deadbolt's TD05h - 18G dry center cartridge and Deatschwerks 750CC modded injectors today. I'm going to be running a map from TDC Tuning. Props to Jon for getting me the map in time...i know i was bugging the hell out of him. I'll post some pics and butt dyno graphs ASAP.

Anybody else running a similar setup with any dyno graphs or time slips??
My set-up is pretty similar except for I have a 16G turbo. My mods: TurboXS FMIC, Perrin short ram intake, Deatschwerks 750cc injectors, FP EVOIII TD05-16G. I got 294whp so I am sure you can break 300 with the 18G.
Here's my dyno graph:

http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j5...gAnch=imgAnch2

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Old 08-25-2006, 04:15 PM   #8
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You might post in the 2.5 Turbo forum under the "Burmese Soda Can" thread if you want more replies.
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Old 08-26-2006, 02:53 PM   #9
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best 'o luck, looking 4ward to #'s
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Old 08-26-2006, 04:30 PM   #10
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My set-up is pretty similar except for I have a 16G turbo. My mods: TurboXS FMIC, Perrin short ram intake, Deatschwerks 750cc injectors, FP EVOIII TD05-16G. I got 294whp so I am sure you can break 300 with the 18G.
Here's my dyno graph:

http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j5...gAnch=imgAnch2

Best of luck with your modding!
TDC just installed my Blouch 16G last Tues. I am running 850cc modded injectors, Walbro, a gutted stk. u/p, Daddy's high flow catted d/p to his 3CE, to a Stromung twin tip. Hyperflow TMIC, and AP stg.4 Protune. All he got so far was 250 whp. and 220 lb.tq. on 93 oct. I was dissapointed at the tq. but I am going to add Aquamist 50/50 injection to it and see what that does. I am running 17.5 lbs. of boost now.

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TDC just installed my Blouch 16G last Tues. I am running 850cc modded injectors, Walbro, a gutted stk. u/p, Daddy's high flow catted d/p to his 3CE, to a Stromung twin tip. Hyperflow TMIC, and AP stg.4 Protune. All he got so far was 250 whp. and 220 lb.tq. on 93 oct. I was dissapointed at the tq. but I am going to add Aquamist 50/50 injection to it and see what that does. I am running 17.5 lbs. of boost now.
Either you have bad gas, or there is something wrong, because with that setup you should easily make 270+ whp.
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his car is auto

my car made nearly 300whp on that dyno vf34 stock tmic, the tune isnt bad
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Old 08-26-2006, 07:38 PM   #13
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did you use the L bracket on the hot side intercooler piping? i had to modify mine to hold the piping lower, i redrilled one of the holes and cut the excess length off, but it holds the intercooler piping firm and a bit lower so now there are no clearance issues with my hood. i will take a photo when i get a chance but in the meantime just picture turning that L bracket into a bracket where both sides are roughly equal length instead, and redrilling the hole on the shortened side.
fwiw, i'll soon be running a deadbolt super 16g, tial external wastegate, ssa fmic, aquamist alcohol injection, aps true 3" turboback, aps inlet pipe, custom big maf intake, stock modded injectors, and an ecutek tune. also just purchased a 6 speed thats going to be installed before all of those things go in, just to play it safe... heh
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did you use the L bracket on the hot side intercooler piping? i had to modify mine to hold the piping lower, i redrilled one of the holes and cut the excess length off, but it holds the intercooler piping firm and a bit lower so now there are no clearance issues with my hood. i will take a photo when i get a chance but in the meantime just picture turning that L bracket into a bracket where both sides are roughly equal length instead, and redrilling the hole on the shortened side.
fwiw, i'll soon be running a deadbolt super 16g, tial external wastegate, ssa fmic, aquamist alcohol injection, aps true 3" turboback, aps inlet pipe, custom big maf intake, stock modded injectors, and an ecutek tune. also just purchased a 6 speed thats going to be installed before all of those things go in, just to play it safe... heh
We had to cut a drilled,tapped lug of the 16G cold side housing in order to make it fit. The 40T already had the lug ground off. Then the top coolant nipple was bent to high and wouldn't let the Hyperflow drop into place. Fortunately the 40 T and 16G outers are identical, and the nipple from the 40T fit perfectly. I have brought this to the attn. of Mike at Blouch. He said that he has never had any feedback re: this.
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my car made nearly 300whp on that dyno vf34 stock tmic, the tune isnt bad
Jon also planned on me making 275 hp & torque, including w/ the 40T, but after around 110 pulls on the dyno, starting back in Jan. it is not to be.
I wouldn't think that the 4eat would make that much difference.
Frustrating! He thinks the Aquamist should add around 40 more hp. I am more interested in TQ.
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Jon also planned on me making 275 hp & torque, including w/ the 40T, but after around 110 pulls on the dyno, starting back in Jan. it is not to be.
I wouldn't think that the 4eat would make that much difference.
Frustrating! He thinks the Aquamist should add around 40 more hp. I am more interested in TQ.
The Aquamist will not, in my opinion, add 40 hp. It will add power, but not 40. I have run the 2d kit for about a year. I am not familair with that particular vendor of 16Gs, but -- keep in mind I am not an expert -- couldn't you push the boost a bit higher? I ran 22-24 psi with my VF-34 and Aquamist, though of course I also had that motor disintegrate on my no my way into work (connecting rod component thrown through the top of the block. I have a neat paper weight now).

The trouble is twofold with the 4EATs:

a) they do not dyno well. The torque converters add massive amounts of torque down low (e.g., 315 ft/lbs at 3,000 rpms), which makes the cars want to jump off the rollers before the run has really started. I've seen my lurch all over the place on KTR's dyno. In reality, they are making power... but recording that power can be harder. My best run on KTR's dyno was IIRC 253 whp, that was VF-34 with headers and Aquamist 2d. But I also was saw 4.6 MAF volts and pulled a CEL for "too high MAF voltage" on that setup, so power was there.

b) the torque converters rob power, they just due. They allow for awesome launches and incredible low end power (with the right stall speed converter, of course), but you will loose a percentage of your crank hp as your engine powers the rotation of fins, blades, and ATF in the transmission. It's just a reality. There are positives, of course: better gearing for 1/4 mile runs, better shifting, better durability relative to 5MTs, and, at higher horsepower (e.g., 18G+) they are faster than their peers b/c of the gearing.

In short... I would compare MAF voltages for power in the 4EAT, not dyno numbers. Too many variables. You *could* lock up the converter for the dyno run, lots of people have and do, but the experts disagree on the advisability of this mod. My transmission supplier is opposed to it... but my engine builder has used it successfully. For a daily driver, I'd forget about it and leave the lockup alone.
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TDC just installed my Blouch 16G last Tues. I am running 850cc modded injectors, Walbro, a gutted stk. u/p, Daddy's high flow catted d/p to his 3CE, to a Stromung twin tip. Hyperflow TMIC, and AP stg.4 Protune. All he got so far was 250 whp. and 220 lb.tq. on 93 oct. I was dissapointed at the tq. but I am going to add Aquamist 50/50 injection to it and see what that does. I am running 17.5 lbs. of boost now.
You are only running 17.5lb which makes it low. Run 20-22psi, you can safely as long as it's rich enough (11 - 11.5:1). You'll get closer to 280whp then.
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You are only running 17.5lb which makes it low. Run 20-22psi, you can safely as long as it's rich enough (11 - 11.5:1). You'll get closer to 280whp then.
I agree 100%. My tuner believes in gently breaking in a turbo (I know the worth of this is debated but I do as he says) so he increased my boost in steps. The difference between 17 and 19 was noticeable and then 22psi . World of difference.
I only dynoed with the 22psi tune (294whp).
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Turbo and injectors are finally in. Install was a total PITA. Broke an up-pipe bolt so we had to drill that out. One of the up-pipe to turbo bolt holes didn't really line up perfectly. Had to shave a little off the compressor housing to fit cause it was rubbing on a plastic breather for the tranny. All in all total pain. Injectors were easier then the turbo...go figure.

I like the setup looks good sounds good drives nice. The tune is very smooth but i'm not running anywhere close to enough boost. I haven't been driving like a total jerk yet as i'd like to break it in a little. But i don't think i'm seeing much over 16.5 - 17 lbs. I'm not sure if its an issue with the wastegate lines/restrictor pill or if the tune is just very conservative. When i get on it i can feel that the turbo still has a ton more to give. Don't know exactly what Jon at TDC has boost set to but i can def. go higher, other then that very nice tune, very smooth. The lag isn't soo bad def. more then VF34 but i think once i have the boost turned up a bit and i start making some more HP's i'll forget about it. I'd def. like to see boost running closer to 20lbs i think that'd be just about perfect. I will post some pics tonight. I broke my digital camera so i'll use my phone (actually takes pretty nice pics).

Anybody, with similar setup take out their restrictor pill all together or drill the hole out or do anything else? Its hard to say whether i'm not hitting full boost because of the map or a setup issue.
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My set-up is pretty similar except for I have a 16G turbo. My mods: TurboXS FMIC, Perrin short ram intake, Deatschwerks 750cc injectors, FP EVOIII TD05-16G. I got 294whp so I am sure you can break 300 with the 18G.
Here's my dyno graph:

http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j5...gAnch=imgAnch2

Best of luck with your modding!
Very nice dyno graph and awesome numbers for a 16G. Unfortunately, i just moved to BF Tennessee and there's nobody near here that does ProTunes. There is an AWD dyno bout 25 mins away but i don't see much point in paying to go and put down numbers, possibly get depressed cause they're not high enough, and then not be able to do anything about it.
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Turbo and injectors are finally in. Install was a total PITA. Broke an up-pipe bolt so we had to drill that out. One of the up-pipe to turbo bolt holes didn't really line up perfectly. Had to shave a little off the compressor housing to fit cause it was rubbing on a plastic breather for the tranny. All in all total pain. Injectors were easier then the turbo...go figure.

I like the setup looks good sounds good drives nice. The tune is very smooth but i'm not running anywhere close to enough boost. I haven't been driving like a total jerk yet as i'd like to break it in a little. But i don't think i'm seeing much over 16.5 - 17 lbs. I'm not sure if its an issue with the wastegate lines/restrictor pill or if the tune is just very conservative. When i get on it i can feel that the turbo still has a ton more to give. Don't know exactly what Jon at TDC has boost set to but i can def. go higher, other then that very nice tune, very smooth. The lag isn't soo bad def. more then VF34 but i think once i have the boost turned up a bit and i start making some more HP's i'll forget about it. I'd def. like to see boost running closer to 20lbs i think that'd be just about perfect. I will post some pics tonight. I broke my digital camera so i'll use my phone (actually takes pretty nice pics).

Anybody, with similar setup take out their restrictor pill all together or drill the hole out or do anything else? Its hard to say whether i'm not hitting full boost because of the map or a setup issue.
Glad you like the setup. I agree 17psi is way too low for an 18g.

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Very nice dyno graph and awesome numbers for a 16G. Unfortunately, i just moved to BF Tennessee and there's nobody near here that does ProTunes. There is an AWD dyno bout 25 mins away but i don't see much point in paying to go and put down numbers, possibly get depressed cause they're not high enough, and then not be able to do anything about it.
Hehe thats why you find a high reading dyno..
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I have the SSA fmic and install was a sinch. Seriously, no fitment issues at all. I am running a Greddy T518Z, Deatschwerks modded stockers, and Coolingmist kit, on 91 octane.

296whp/265wtq on 91(catted exhaust)
325whp/300wtq on 91 with meth(catted again)

I am now catless and will be going back to retune. Also changing from a 6gph meth nozzle to a 18gph nozzle. Tuner said my cat and the 91 octane were vast prohibitors of power, and we had to pull a bit of timing on the top end. I should be able to run some real boost now
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I have the SSA fmic and install was a sinch. Seriously, no fitment issues at all. I am running a Greddy T518Z, Deatschwerks modded stockers, and Coolingmist kit, on 91 octane.

296whp/265wtq on 91(catted exhaust)
325whp/300wtq on 91 with meth(catted again)

I am now catless and will be going back to retune. Also changing from a 6gph meth nozzle to a 18gph nozzle. Tuner said my cat and the 91 octane were vast prohibitors of power, and we had to pull a bit of timing on the top end. I should be able to run some real boost now
those are some awesome numbers...T518Z has 8cm hot side tho right? What did you with your wastegate hoses, like remove pill or drill it out, left it stock? I was thinking about tightening my wastegate actuator arm a turn or two and see if that helped. Was also going to put new wastegate vacuum hoses on to see if that helped at all.
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those are some awesome numbers...T518Z has 8cm hot side tho right? What did you with your wastegate hoses, like remove pill or drill it out, left it stock? I was thinking about tightening my wastegate actuator arm a turn or two and see if that helped. Was also going to put new wastegate vacuum hoses on to see if that helped at all.
Yes, 8cm^2 hotside. I used my stock wg hoses and pill, and they worked fine for me. You may want to check into changing your pill to a different size. My tuner said he has to do that all the time, but my Greddy WG actuator seems to be a good one, as the tuner already knew I would be fine. I am also using a Prodrive solenoid.

I guess the first thing you could try is to tighten the actuator arm. It surely helped me out when I was running a ported/clipped TD04 with my Cobb AP.
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Yes, 8cm^2 hotside. I used my stock wg hoses and pill, and they worked fine for me. You may want to check into changing your pill to a different size. My tuner said he has to do that all the time, but my Greddy WG actuator seems to be a good one, as the tuner already knew I would be fine. I am also using a Prodrive solenoid.

I guess the first thing you could try is to tighten the actuator arm. It surely helped me out when I was running a ported/clipped TD04 with my Cobb AP.
Interesting. I'm using the Perrin solenoid on my 16G and am not using the pill at all. Do you have your solenoid set up at bleed or interrupt?
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