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Old 08-28-2006, 11:48 AM   #1
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Is anyone using a Coolingmist Stage 2 kit along with the SnowPerformance Safe Injection Box. Before I ordered these two peoces I spoke with both Coolingmist and Snowperformace. According to my initila conversations with both companies there shold be no problems using the two things together. I give the car to my installer/tuner and he is having a ard time gettting things to work correctly. Is anyone ou there usiing this combo with sucess? Wil it actually work or did I just get sold?
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Old 08-28-2006, 12:36 PM   #2
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Is anyone using a Coolingmist Stage 2 kit along with the SnowPerformance Safe Injection Box. Before I ordered these two peoces I spoke with both Coolingmist and Snowperformace. According to my initila conversations with both companies there shold be no problems using the two things together. I give the car to my installer/tuner and he is having a ard time gettting things to work correctly. Is anyone ou there usiing this combo with sucess? Wil it actually work or did I just get sold?
We consider Snow Performance to be our only direct competitor. Having said that we have no problem to refer them to our customers IF they have a product we dont carry at this time.

The Safe Injection is seperate from even snow performances kit. The only thing you probably need to be concerned about is the hose size. We use 1/4 OD tubing and I am nearly 100% certain that snow uses the same. While there are major differences in the hardware that comes with each kit, there should be nothing different about installing the Safe Inject. It should install the same way it installs on Snows Kit. I would recommend to call Snow Performance with technical support.
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Old 08-28-2006, 02:04 PM   #3
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Let me know what issues you are having exactly and I will help you figure them out. I have sold countless safeinjections to coolingmist users and the combo works great...
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Old 08-28-2006, 09:55 PM   #4
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Let me know what issues you are having exactly and I will help you figure them out. I have sold countless safeinjections to coolingmist users and the combo works great...
I appreciate any help you can offer. I let my installer/tuner know.
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Old 08-29-2006, 08:37 AM   #5
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No prob, I can even give you my number if you would like so your tuner can talk to me over the phone if that helps...
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:21 PM   #6
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Yes, we have had a number of people install the SafeInjection on other kits - it works fine because it is based on flow, not a brand of controller or anything. If Dan at Ultimate doesn't get you squared away, call me at Snow or our Tech Dan.
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:29 PM   #7
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Dan, Dave told me that he spoke to you. Thanks for the help!
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:05 PM   #8
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No prob, I told him if he needs anything else to give me a buzz...
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Old 09-15-2006, 08:59 PM   #9
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Well I finally picked my car up today after about 5 weeks. It is still not drunk. My installer/tuner is having a real hard time getting the safe injection box to work. I was never told by anyone that I needed a solenoid piece to make the Safe Injection box work. After finally figuring out that I needed a solenoid piece I ordered it. Now I am told that I need a boost controller. Is it possible to use the safe injection on a stock boost solenoid without a boost controller? Is it possible that I recieved the wrong solenoid piece? At this point I am just gonna rip the safe injection box out.
Both of the companies Snow and CM said that the combo should work. They didn't mention anything about an extra solenoid piece or a boost controller what is the deal?
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Old 09-15-2006, 09:33 PM   #10
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....I was never told by anyone that I needed a solenoid piece to make the Safe Injection box work. After finally figuring out that I needed a solenoid piece I ordered it. Now I am told that I need a boost controller. Is it possible to use the safe injection on a stock boost solenoid without a boost controller? Is it possible that I recieved the wrong solenoid piece? At this point I am just gonna rip the safe injection box out.
Both of the companies Snow and CM said that the combo should work. They didn't mention anything about an extra solenoid piece or a boost controller what is the deal?
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The SI-10 and SI-05 monitor the flow of Water/Methanol in the system. When flow drops below 0.10 Gallons per Minute (GPM), equal to 378 ml/min,( 0.05 GPM or175ml/min on the SI-05) the fault trigger will go to a high state of 12 volts. In addition to the supplied red LED, this trigger can be used to signal the following:
1. an ignition/timing controller such as an MSD timing computer if using an MSD ignition
2. aftermarket engine computer
3. a solenoid such that boost is reduced in a wastegated turbo set-up. ( $39.95 list. See below.)
4. a solenoid to evacuate boost on a supercharged set-up.
The trigger signal can deliver up to 1.5 amps to drive a solenoid or relay.
From snow performance website..... Course you don't need the solenoid. You only need the solenoid if you want the flow switch to trigger the solenoid. You can hook it upto a device that kicks you in the nuts when it triggers if that's what you want. You probably wouldn't want that though.

You should be able to use the solenoid with the stock boost controller. THe way you set it up depends on if the solenoid is normally open or normally closed. Normally closed means the solenoid gets no flow without voltage, and the trigger voltage opens the valve for flow. Normally open means the opposite. If it's normally open(which I think it is), just plum the solenoid into the tube going from the turbo to the boost control solenoid, or the boost control solenoid to the turbo inlet pipe. If it's normally closed, plum it in between the turbo compressor before the brass restrictor(or any pressurized sorce that's not effected by a tiny restrictor ), and the tube going to the wastegate actuator or boost control solenoid.

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From snow performance website..... Course you don't need the solenoid. You only need the solenoid if you want the flow switch to trigger the solenoid. You can hook it upto a device that kicks you in the nuts when it triggers if that's what you want. You probably wouldn't want that though.

You should be able to use the solenoid with the stock boost controller. THe way you set it up depends on if the solenoid is normally open or normally closed. Normally closed means the solenoid gets no flow without voltage, and the trigger voltage opens the valve for flow. Normally open means the opposite. If it's normally open(which I think it is), just plum the solenoid into the tube going from the turbo to the boost control solenoid, or the boost control solenoid to the turbo inlet pipe. If it's normally closed, plum it in between the turbo compressor before the brass restrictor(or any pressurized sorce that's not effected by a tiny restrictor ), and the tube going to the wastegate actuator or boost control solenoid.

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Stock boost controller? I don't have a boost controller. I thought that the restrictor pill controlled boost.
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The flow goes from the turbos compressor housing, through the restrictor pil, and then out the t fitting to the wastegate actuator and boost control solenoind. The ecu tells the solenoid to hold air in the tube to make the boost go down, and let air out to mae the boost go up.

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You can use the safeinjection without a mbc/ebc, I am not sure what the problem is but we will figure it out, have Dave call me when he is back in the shop...
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Hey guys, sorry to bring this thread back from the dead. Here is my setup that i'm planning on using. Let me know if this will all play well together.

- Coolingmist stage II vari-cool kit
- Cooling mist clogged nozzle detector
- Snowperformance safe injection failsafe
- TurboXS DTEC
- Cobb AP

Will this be a rock solid setup? Should I even use the clogged nozzle detector if i'll be using the safe injection?

Thanks for any help in advance.
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Old 11-17-2006, 09:20 PM   #15
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BTW...i need to purchase a safe injection kit. If any vendors would like to pm me with a price, i'd appreciate it.
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I am currently running a special on them http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1137744

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