2.5 STi with 02 wrx ecu

Smoby · 08-29-2006, 02:03 AM

I am putting a complete sti motor into my 02 wrx. I want to flash the stock ecu until I can get a real tune or buy a hydra.

I am out of money so what is my cheapest route to get this motor to run with the wrx ecu? I know avcs will not work. I am just stumped with what I am going to do about engine management.

Any help will really be appreciated.

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Smoby · 08-29-2006, 02:08 AM

I was thinking something along the lines of having the tables for a stock STi, then changing it to match on the wrx ecu.

Smoby · 08-29-2006, 12:32 PM

Bump

Anyone alteast have a link to help me?

Point me into the right direction. I have been searching for a couple days now, but still have no solid answers.

Thanks

JRSCCivic98 · 08-29-2006, 07:57 PM

If it's a 2.5L STI it won't work because of the DBW throttlebody. (there are ways arround this, but that involves swapping things arround, not just ECU tuning alone) Do some more research on this... you need it. Go to the engine swap forum... I don't think anyone's going to just hand you the answers on a silver plater.

Smoby · 08-30-2006, 03:18 PM

I have done research. I know what is all involved with putting the STi motor into my car. I am not using drive by wire, I am using my intake manifold. I am installing the new cam sensor, blah blah

I just dont have the money to buy engine management, or get a tune at the moment and want a flash to run it until I can.

teiva-boy · 08-30-2006, 03:49 PM

A "flash," is every bit of capable of making big power as anything else.

It's all in the details.

The man you want to do your work is Clark (AZscoobie) on this board.

Smoby · 08-30-2006, 04:02 PM

Yea, I know Clark personally

The reason I will be wanting to buy engine management down the line is so I can have AVCS.

I was hoping there was somebody that has flashed the wrx ecu to run the STi motor and would have that map for me to use.

teiva-boy · 08-30-2006, 04:31 PM

He seriously would be the best person to ask. He's local, and has more experience then most anyone here

Smoby · 08-30-2006, 06:22 PM

Screw it. I am just using the shortblock.

JRSCCivic98 · 08-30-2006, 10:12 PM

Why not get Clark to use some openecu stuff for the short time... it'll tune your 02 WRX ecu just as well. That way it won't cost you any money for EM, just his time...

Smoby · 08-30-2006, 11:36 PM

You talking about having him tune the wrx ecu to run the STi long block?

I spoke with Clark and he advised me that this swap would be more trouble then it is worth. I would never get it to run right.

Is there a hydra system for the wrx that runs avcs? I know there are the hydra avcs for the jdm avcs motors but I read that the cams have different pickups for the sensor so it wouldnt work right.

If I did want to put the whole motor in my car. What would be required to get avcs working right.

Tgui · 08-31-2006, 12:09 AM

Try this place. There are staged maps for you to dl for free.
http://www.osecuroms.org/

Or do it yourself
www.enginuity.org >for tuning (Im biased here

)
http://www.openecu.org/index.php?title=EcuFlash for tuning and flashing

Ohh and you'll need this cable to flash.
http://www.tactrix.com/

Smoby · 08-31-2006, 06:12 AM

Thankyou Tgui, that is what I needed.

I have been to that site before but not registered. I registered and now can see what I want.

JRSCCivic98 · 08-31-2006, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoby

If I did want to put the whole motor in my car. What would be required to get avcs working right.

If you want to do it right...

1) Complete engine.
2) STI harness.
3) STI ecu.

There's no reason for it not to run if you do all of those. If you want to cut corners, then you'll have to find workarounds for your issues. I'm surprised Clark didn't state this to you already.

sonic rx · 09-02-2006, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoby

I have done research. I know what is all involved with putting the STi motor into my car. I am not using drive by wire, I am using my intake manifold. I am installing the new cam sensor, blah blah

I just dont have the money to buy engine management, or get a tune at the moment and want a flash to run it until I can.

not to sound stupid ,but why are you installing a new cam sensor? i am running a forged 2.5l with p&ped wrx heads with 264 cams. ,and i did not need a new cam sensor

. did i miss somthing??

Smoby · 09-02-2006, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonic rx

not to sound stupid ,but why are you installing a new cam sensor? i am running a forged 2.5l with p&ped wrx heads with 264 cams. ,and i did not need a new cam sensor

. did i miss somthing??

I am talking about running the STi avcs heads

Smoby · 09-02-2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRSCCivic98

If you want to do it right...

1) Complete engine.
2) STI harness.
3) STI ecu.

There's no reason for it not to run if you do all of those. If you want to cut corners, then you'll have to find workarounds for your issues. I'm surprised Clark didn't state this to you already.

Clark stated to me that the electrical on the STi is way different and I could not just use the STi harness.

Smoby · 09-02-2006, 04:41 PM

Has anyone been able to get this motor to run right without avcs and the wrx ecu?

I see a couple people in the process, but can not find any running. Clark said I will never be able to get the motor to run correctly and to not waste my time.

teiva-boy · 09-04-2006, 02:39 AM

Try Phil From Element Tuning?

k_thaosta · 10-10-2006, 10:07 PM

I got mines running right now without AVCS, just need to tune my fuel so it runs around the 14.7 AFR, it's about 15-17 right now so it's a little high but it's starts and runs...

I too am here looking for a UTEC map running STI longblock on WRX harness...

wrx_driver_2002 · 10-14-2006, 01:06 AM

Getting it to run was extremely easy... I used the USDM STI TGV's and the WRX Upper intake manifold for the throttle cables. Used the WRX intake manifold harness, but swapped injector connectors to allow the use of the side feed injectors. Fired up and ran the first time without issue. It's going on the dyno for PDX to tune very soon, so we'll see what kind of power they can get out of it.

I have thought about using the JDM computer to control avcs, but the ver 7 and ver 8 cams are different than the USDM STI cams, and I'm not sure if the JDM computer would read the same cam signal that the usdm motor puts out.

domestic_abuser · 10-24-2006, 04:13 PM

reading all this is making me nervous about my swap! i'm about to swap a 06 legacy gt engine into my bugeye.

babyblue22681 · 10-24-2006, 04:22 PM

just use the wrx heads, put some cams in them and voila!~ 400+ whp if done right.. im running 272 cams and ported and polished wrx heads. .
my car puts down over 300 lbs of torque @ 3300 rpm and pulls till 7k with no drop in hp or torque.

bluescoobywagon · 10-28-2006, 09:37 AM

I'm just wondering. Is it possible to use an aftermarket VTEC (gasp!) controller to run the AVCS?

HndaTch627 · 10-29-2006, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluescoobywagon

I'm just wondering. Is it possible to use an aftermarket VTEC (gasp!) controller to run the AVCS?

quite simply....no

V-TEC is a simple on/off spool valve, AVCS has a duty cycle that determines the cam position

08-29-2006, 02:03 AM	#1
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	2.5 STi with 02 wrx ecu I am putting a complete sti motor into my 02 wrx. I want to flash the stock ecu until I can get a real tune or buy a hydra. I am out of money so what is my cheapest route to get this motor to run with the wrx ecu? I know avcs will not work. I am just stumped with what I am going to do about engine management. Any help will really be appreciated. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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08-29-2006, 02:08 AM	#2
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	I was thinking something along the lines of having the tables for a stock STi, then changing it to match on the wrx ecu.

08-29-2006, 12:32 PM	#3
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	Bump Anyone alteast have a link to help me? Point me into the right direction. I have been searching for a couple days now, but still have no solid answers. Thanks

08-29-2006, 07:57 PM	#4
JRSCCivic98 Scooby Specialist Member#: 67080 Join Date: Jul 2004	If it's a 2.5L STI it won't work because of the DBW throttlebody. (there are ways arround this, but that involves swapping things arround, not just ECU tuning alone) Do some more research on this... you need it. Go to the engine swap forum... I don't think anyone's going to just hand you the answers on a silver plater.

08-30-2006, 03:18 PM	#5
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	I have done research. I know what is all involved with putting the STi motor into my car. I am not using drive by wire, I am using my intake manifold. I am installing the new cam sensor, blah blah I just dont have the money to buy engine management, or get a tune at the moment and want a flash to run it until I can.

08-30-2006, 03:49 PM	#6
teiva-boy Scooby Guru Member#: 22825 Join Date: Aug 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA	A "flash," is every bit of capable of making big power as anything else. It's all in the details. The man you want to do your work is Clark (AZscoobie) on this board.

08-30-2006, 04:02 PM	#7
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	Yea, I know Clark personally The reason I will be wanting to buy engine management down the line is so I can have AVCS. I was hoping there was somebody that has flashed the wrx ecu to run the STi motor and would have that map for me to use.

08-30-2006, 04:31 PM	#8
teiva-boy Scooby Guru Member#: 22825 Join Date: Aug 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA	He seriously would be the best person to ask. He's local, and has more experience then most anyone here

08-30-2006, 06:22 PM	#9
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	Screw it. I am just using the shortblock.

08-30-2006, 10:12 PM	#10
JRSCCivic98 Scooby Specialist Member#: 67080 Join Date: Jul 2004	Why not get Clark to use some openecu stuff for the short time... it'll tune your 02 WRX ecu just as well. That way it won't cost you any money for EM, just his time...

08-30-2006, 11:36 PM	#11
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	You talking about having him tune the wrx ecu to run the STi long block? I spoke with Clark and he advised me that this swap would be more trouble then it is worth. I would never get it to run right. Is there a hydra system for the wrx that runs avcs? I know there are the hydra avcs for the jdm avcs motors but I read that the cams have different pickups for the sensor so it wouldnt work right. If I did want to put the whole motor in my car. What would be required to get avcs working right.

08-31-2006, 12:09 AM	#12
Tgui Scooby Specialist Member#: 44771 Join Date: Oct 2003	Try this place. There are staged maps for you to dl for free. http://www.osecuroms.org/ Or do it yourself www.enginuity.org >for tuning (Im biased here ) http://www.openecu.org/index.php?title=EcuFlash for tuning and flashing Ohh and you'll need this cable to flash. http://www.tactrix.com/

08-31-2006, 06:12 AM	#13
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	Thankyou Tgui, that is what I needed. I have been to that site before but not registered. I registered and now can see what I want.

09-02-2006, 04:41 PM	#18
Smoby Scooby Specialist Member#: 97642 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix, AZ Vehicle: 2002 Wrx Sedan MBP	Has anyone been able to get this motor to run right without avcs and the wrx ecu? I see a couple people in the process, but can not find any running. Clark said I will never be able to get the motor to run correctly and to not waste my time.

09-04-2006, 02:39 AM	#19
teiva-boy Scooby Guru Member#: 22825 Join Date: Aug 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA	Try Phil From Element Tuning?

10-10-2006, 10:07 PM	#20
k_thaosta Scooby Newbie Member#: 20583 Join Date: Jun 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: My House Vehicle: 2002 WRX WRB	I got mines running right now without AVCS, just need to tune my fuel so it runs around the 14.7 AFR, it's about 15-17 right now so it's a little high but it's starts and runs... I too am here looking for a UTEC map running STI longblock on WRX harness...

10-14-2006, 01:06 AM	#21
wrx_driver_2002 Scooby Specialist Member#: 25952 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Under your hood :-) Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Coupe w/ "Extras" :-)	Getting it to run was extremely easy... I used the USDM STI TGV's and the WRX Upper intake manifold for the throttle cables. Used the WRX intake manifold harness, but swapped injector connectors to allow the use of the side feed injectors. Fired up and ran the first time without issue. It's going on the dyno for PDX to tune very soon, so we'll see what kind of power they can get out of it. I have thought about using the JDM computer to control avcs, but the ver 7 and ver 8 cams are different than the USDM STI cams, and I'm not sure if the JDM computer would read the same cam signal that the usdm motor puts out.

10-24-2006, 04:13 PM	#22
domestic_abuser Scooby Specialist Member#: 126696 Join Date: Sep 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: las vegas Vehicle: 2002 Fatbody bugeye 03 R1 09 Raptor 700R	reading all this is making me nervous about my swap! i'm about to swap a 06 legacy gt engine into my bugeye.

10-24-2006, 04:22 PM	#23
babyblue22681 Scooby Newbie Member#: 51981 Join Date: Jan 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: west covina ca. Vehicle: 03 fast wrx-e55 blue/desert silver	just use the wrx heads, put some cams in them and voila!~ 400+ whp if done right.. im running 272 cams and ported and polished wrx heads. . my car puts down over 300 lbs of torque @ 3300 rpm and pulls till 7k with no drop in hp or torque.

10-28-2006, 09:37 AM	#24
bluescoobywagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 14911 Join Date: Feb 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: The land of E85 Vehicle: Not A Wagon! 2011 WRX - 285s on 18x10s	I'm just wondering. Is it possible to use an aftermarket VTEC (gasp!) controller to run the AVCS?