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Old 08-30-2006, 01:43 PM   #1
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Default Pat Richard...non rally video!

For those interested, Crawford Performance posted this in the motorsports forum : http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1079084

It is a video of Pat doing a couple laps in their widebody STi down at Willow springs in Cali after the X-games. We were passing through the area on our way back to Canada from the X-Games so Pat hopped in the car and did a couple laps. This is his first time in that car and first time on that track.

Thaught this would be a good lead up to the upcoming Subie track day on the 20th!

That being said, Rocket Rally is now a dealer of Crawford Performance motors. We have two blocks on the way right now for some September builds and should see some great results.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:27 PM   #2
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Wicked video! Props Pat & Rocket Rally!
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:46 PM   #3
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awesome.. i'll buy a new motor from you guys in a few years.
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:35 PM   #4
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you have no idea how happy this makes me.

now i won't have to drive down to socal when i want my crawford engine





if only i could win the lottery....
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:01 PM   #5
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This struck me as a little odd since Cobb sponsored Pat at the X-games. Is RR also a dealer for Cobb engines?
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:36 PM   #6
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1074615

nothing to do with RR but some other guy @ WSIR. Quite a funny video actually.
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Old 08-31-2006, 05:14 AM   #7
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It'd be interesting to hear from Pat. It seems like he 'yanks' the wheel a lot in the turns, which is counterintuitive. I always thought holding it still and only doing microcorrections would keep the car most balanced and allow the driver to maintain a higher speed?
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Old 08-31-2006, 12:00 PM   #8
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Guys, this was not a time attack or an attempt at any track records, it was just a fun couple laps for Pat to try out Crawford's widebody. He's just playing around with the car a little bit, seeing where grip is or isn't.

Blennophobic, how does this strike you as odd? I'm not sure I follow.
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Old 08-31-2006, 01:34 PM   #9
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Just for clarity:

We were very happy to have Rocket Rally pay us a personal visit us to put in their Crawford motor. As they were preparing for the X-Games, we were preparing for the Ultimate Street Car Challenge. It was a long night for both of us Anyway, the RR car would have probably done a lot better at the event had it not had the suspension failure and brake issues, but that’s racing Next year we will all be better prepared.

Needless to say, that entire week was a long and stressful one. To let off a little steam, the RR crew decided to hit up the track with us and have a little fun around the track. Not too shabby Pat…a 1:30 for your first time in the car. But what would you expect from a professional driver

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Blennophobic, how does this strike you as odd? I'm not sure I follow.
If you had answered my question... in the affirmative... then this wouldn't strike me as odd at all. I was really pleased that our local shop had hooked up with Cobb for the X-games, and figured I'd be able to order an excellent built engine through you guys when the time comes. If RR has chosen to be a dealer for only Crawford and not Cobb, then I guess I'm also a little disappointed and would look elsewhere for that built engine.

But hey, we shouldn't really get into this because it's better to let sleeping dogs lie... especially the NASIOC bobblehead dog... it's an ugly one.
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Old 09-01-2006, 12:02 PM   #11
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If you had answered my question... in the affirmative... then this wouldn't strike me as odd at all. I was really pleased that our local shop had hooked up with Cobb for the X-games, and figured I'd be able to order an excellent built engine through you guys when the time comes. If RR has chosen to be a dealer for only Crawford and not Cobb, then I guess I'm also a little disappointed and would look elsewhere for that built engine.

But hey, we shouldn't really get into this because it's better to let sleeping dogs lie... especially the NASIOC bobblehead dog... it's an ugly one.
I still have no idea what you are talking about. As it states on our website we are a COBB dealer, we are also a certified COBB protuner. I'm not sure where you got the idea that we weren't. We can get any COBB parts desired.

We also sell Crawford Performance motors and parts and are a certified dealer...which is what I mentioned in this post. I didn't see ANY mention of COBB before you mentioned it so that is why I have no idea where you got the idea that we weren't still a COBB dealer from.
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Thank you for finally answering my original question... albeit in a somewhat defensive manner.

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"Is RR also a dealer for Cobb engines?"
Maybe I'm website challenged, but I couldn't find any reference on the RR site to which company's built blocks you are dealer for.
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Old 09-01-2006, 01:51 PM   #13
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Thank you for finally answering my original question... albeit in a somewhat defensive manner.



Maybe I'm website challenged, but I couldn't find any reference on the RR site to which company's built blocks you are dealer for.
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As it states on our website we are a COBB dealer, we are also a certified COBB protuner. We can get any COBB parts desired.

We also sell Crawford Performance motors and parts and are a certified dealer...
I don't see why RR should have to restrict themselves to only one supplier of engine blocks. They're a Cobb dealer and can get any parts, that's easy to understand is it not?

Is common sense really that lacking these days?
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Old 09-01-2006, 01:56 PM   #14
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It's not WHICH, we sell both COBB and Crawford parts, nowhere does it say that it is one or the other. If you want a COBB block we can order one, if you want a Crawford block we can order one. End of story.
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Old 09-01-2006, 02:24 PM   #15
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I don't see why RR should have to restrict themselves to only one supplier of engine blocks. They're a Cobb dealer and can get any parts, that's easy to understand is it not?

Is common sense really that lacking these days?
Thanks for the insult, you are now my web-hero.

I do not think RR should limit themselves to one engine supplier, that is your interpretation. In fact, I suggested otherwise in post #11 above. I asked a simple question because the website doesn't list built blocks under "products".
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Someone sure is sensitive.

Come on Tora, lighten up will you?
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Old 09-01-2006, 03:21 PM   #17
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Alls good in the hood. little misunderstanding. Anyways, WE sell Crawford Blocks, engine parts and we also do COBB protunes and if customers want COBB parts we can get anything.
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Jamie and I clarified some things off line... all is cool

Have a good long weekend guys.
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If you had answered my question... in the affirmative... then this wouldn't strike me as odd at all. I was really pleased that our local shop had hooked up with Cobb for the X-games, and figured I'd be able to order an excellent built engine through you guys when the time comes. If RR has chosen to be a dealer for only Crawford and not Cobb, then I guess I'm also a little disappointed and would look elsewhere for that built engine.

But hey, we shouldn't really get into this because it's better to let sleeping dogs lie... especially the NASIOC bobblehead dog... it's an ugly one.
So, how pleased were you when you heard that the excellently built cobb motor expired in the RR car before the big event?

Pat got the chance to run both motors in his car so he could make an educated decision on which motor was best suited for his race car. This also helped with his decision as to which motor he would recommend to his customers.
We are happy to have helped out a fellow racer that was in a bind the day before the event started.
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So, how pleased were you when you heard that the excellently built cobb motor expired in the RR car before the big event?
There is so much that goes on behind the scenes that contributes to a failed engine that people never find out. Jamie took the time to explain to me the whole situation on pm, which left me with a much better understanding of how things go wrong and how the engine builder is rarely at fault. This convinced me that customers should go with whichever engine a great shop like Rocket Rally recommends for the intended application... which includes me potentially buying a Crawford engine. Now that you've jumped in with this "fact" about the expired Cobb engine without fully explaining the circumstances makes me question your business ethics, and I'll certainly consider this in my purchase decision. BTW, sarcastic comments to prospective customers don't help much either.

What I expected to happen in this thread did not. I expected to have a mature discussion about the quality of the built engines that are recommended by RR, and what their understanding of the relative strengths and weaknesses are in each. This would benefit myself and other locals who are looking for an engine. You don't have to wait very long to find yet another thread on NASIOC of someone bashing an engine builder. The opinions of our own reputable shop would go a long way toward relieving this confusion for the prospective customer. Unfortunately my approach to this discussion was somewhat slanted and antagonistic rather than straightforward, and I apologized to Jamie for that. I suggested we have this thread closed so he could start a new one with the Crawford announcement. That's called eating crow. You should try it sometime, it makes you stronger.

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Ah the internet - it's not just for porn anymore!
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Well I bought a Crawford block, so there!

Oh, and I surf porn sometimes too.
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And the temptations continue...damn you Jamie.
Congrats.
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And the temptations continue...damn you Jamie.
Congrats.
You referring the block or to porn?
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There is no temptation for porn..its too easy accessible.

But a Crawford block..well...not so much.

The local Subaru market has really changed in the past few years...thanks to RR. I don't remember the last time we had a local comapny be a local dealer for big name, big power parts.

w00tw00t for Crawford.
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