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Old 05-26-2011, 06:31 PM   #1126
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updated post on page 1. what a difference 5 years makes.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:44 PM   #1127
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updated post on page 1. what a difference 5 years makes.
Wow... You were pretty thorough there!

Add anything recently? How come you didn't put edit dates next to the things you edited today? How surprised ARE you of the changes Subaru has made since 2006 going into the 2012 models?
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:26 AM   #1128
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I transferred this post from another thread, as it is more appropriate for this thread.

I still very much want a Sporty Grand Touring coupe positioned above the FT-86 model.

I don't wish for it to push out the 4 door and 5 door bodystyles of the WRX or WRX STI that other people prefer. If Subaru does keep WRX and WRX STI separate from Impreza from now on, I could see WRX and SVX coe-exist as it's own 3-body-style lineup, between Impreza and Legacy.

They could directly use the Impreza Design Concept's steel body dimensions, adapted to 3 and 5 door additional body styles. coupe pictured below. 5-door similar to the Hybrid Tourer concept.
WRX as the name for the 4 and 5 door bodies, SVX for the 3 door coupe body. STI modifier for the high-end turbo 4 versions of all 3 body styles, and LSI modifier for the H6 3-door SVX.

WRX - cloth interior, turbo 4 light weight 4 and 5 door.
WRX STI - bilstiens, brembos, DCCD equipped turbo 4 4-door and 5-door. (Limited option package adds leather/sunroof)
SVX STI - cloth interior turbo 4 3-door coupe, with sport focused calibrations.
SVX LSI - full-option NA-H6 3-door coupe, with touring calibrations, leather, 2-pane glass roof like Mini, Scion tC, and CTS, or louvered glass roof like G6

It has been my contention, that with the advent of the FT-86 project, and in deference to cooperating with that car's market position, that a Subaru coupe should be positioned above it. Much like the SVX was positioned above the Impreza 2-door coupe, when both were offered in the mid-90s.

I think a Subaru AWD coupe should combine the best performance equipment from the WRX and WRX STI, with the handsome looks, and Grand Touring demeanor inside and out of the BL Legacy GT Spec.B. The 2010+ Legacy is too physically big, and has actually fewer amenities than the 2009 Spec.B and 3.0R Limited top-line cars. Nor does the 2010 look as good, IMHO.

FT-86 is small, light weight, 2WD, naturally aspirated 4-cylinder, and relatively inexpensive, rumored for the lower ~20K range. The concepts had trunk lids, but the recent camouflaged mules have hints of being liftback coupes, perhaps.

An AWD Subaru coupe should be the other end of the spectrum.

It should be bigger than FT-86. Impreza Design Concept size. Impreza wheelbase (shorter than Legacy, longer than FT-86), with 2010 Legacy wide-track width, and 2009 Legacy roof height or even lower, without the need for rear door height.

It should be premium. 09 Legacy Spec.B features, and interior design and materials. Leather and Alcantara is nice. Electro-luminescent gauges. Keyless entry and start, memory seats and mirrors, that sort of stuff.

It should be a Sport Coupe/Grand Touring car, and even as such, if it weighs 32-3400lbs, that isn't out of line for a car between the Impreza and Legacy in size, and in line with Genesis Coupe and base V6 mustang, even with this car being fully optioned, and AWD equipped, and aesthetically sleeker than both.

It should be competent. Standard Bilstein USD suspension, and aluminum control arms. It should have Tribeca brakes standard, STI Brembos optional, with 5x114.3 hubs, which SVX, Tribeca, and STI each also have. Ideally with a wider Legacy-like body width, perhaps it could even have slightly less positive offset, concave-design wheels, and factory 8" wide wheels and tires.

It should be powerful. Standard Turbocharged engine. Maybe start with 2010 Legacy GT's new low-mount EJ25 turbo engine and engine cradle design, before moving up to the next generation WRX STI's future FB turbocharged flat 4 as the standard engine. 268-300hp. There would be no need for a base NA flat 4, as it would overlap the FT-86 NA flat 4.

Up-option engine choice would be a tech-upgraded EZ36 flat 6 that I mentioned previously, naturally aspirated, but tuned for more than 300hp, to meet or beat the other 6-cylinder cars out right now, that are making 305-350 atmospheric horsepower.

Gearboxes should ideally be a choice between STI's 6MT with DCCD, geared specifically for the engine choice. (NA-H6 needs taller gearing than a higher-strung turbo H4.), and either a more robust, upgraded sport-shift automatic with at least 6 gears, or a dual-clutch gearbox in place of the automatic. VTD AWD for the automatic/automated gearbox choice. With at least a torsen rear differential, if not a front one also.

It should have SI-drive for variable chassis dynamics. It would be great if Bilsteins with their PSS10 variable damper control, or magneto-rheological dampers could be an optional upgrade incorporated into the SI-Drive dynamics control.

That SVX successor would be significantly different than the FT-86 in almost every way other than side door count, and sleek coupe profile.

And I would buy that car over anything else on the market right now, and I wouldn't have to resort to a 10-year-old depreciated Porsche Carrera 4 to get that specification at a price I can afford.

SVX was called 'an affordable Carrera 4' in it's day. Subaru could do that again, and with a whole lot fewer unique parts. The rest of Subaru's lineup has caught up, they just aren't building the SVX successor that they now have the shared parts and chassis for.

This is just a quick 'chop on the IDC for the purposes of showing a hint of a possibility at the coupe.



IDC for the Sedan, of course turned production ready.


Hybrid Tourer, converted to 5-door, and regular mechanical drivetrain for production, instead of big gull-wings and hybrid drive. Possibly with a bit of commonality with the Impreza-based XV's rear doors or roofline, but the HT roofline is nice, and would still be nice with four traditional doors, and preferably a return to frameless glass on all three of these body-styles.

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Old 05-27-2011, 01:44 AM   #1129
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Your list actually demonstrated to me how little difference 5 Subaru years have made. Most of the stuff you crossed out was minor or you said, no longer needed - we can compromise to something less cool. Better seats - really? Same basic seats that were done in 2006, at least in WRX and STi. A lot of other things stayed the same. Even on looks you said keep working, though I think the 2012 is the best looking Impreza. (even better than my beloved Bugeye)

So no, don't give credit where credit is not due.
I will give Subaru credit for two things: not killing off the performance line and keeping price the same over the years. That's about it really. The STi I can buy now, in practical terms, is not really that much better than STi I could have bought in 06.
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Old 05-27-2011, 08:35 AM   #1130
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Your list actually demonstrated to me how little difference 5 Subaru years have made. Most of the stuff you crossed out was minor or you said, no longer needed - we can compromise to something less cool. Better seats - really? Same basic seats that were done in 2006, at least in WRX and STi. A lot of other things stayed the same. Even on looks you said keep working, though I think the 2012 is the best looking Impreza. (even better than my beloved Bugeye)

So no, don't give credit where credit is not due.
I will give Subaru credit for two things: not killing off the performance line and keeping price the same over the years. That's about it really. The STi I can buy now, in practical terms, is not really that much better than STi I could have bought in 06.
I've owned an '06 WRX and now own a '09 WRX, and I can categorically say that the '09 model is better than the '06 model in just about every way, except gas mileage. I can only assume that the same thing can be said of a '06 STI vs. '11 STI comparo.

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Old 05-27-2011, 03:55 PM   #1131
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5EAT Base Transmission for all Cars (*edit 9.14.06 or CVT) *edit 5.26.11 Getting there
6EAT For all Legacy/Outback Turbos and all H6's *edit 5.26.2011 6EAT or greater for all turbos and H6's. Might be wise to jump to a 7EAT or 8EAT
DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox)
Direct Injection
Small entry level car (to compete with Yaris, Fit, Versa, etc.) *edit 5.26.11 Not necessary
McIntosh Sound Systems *edit 5.26.11 HK is fine... Forester and Impreza still need better sound systems.
Better Fuel Economy *edit 5.26.11 Great job here
Diesel
Hybrid *edit 9.14.06 needs to be unique model or have unique design cues over non Hybrid model
Longer Wheelbases, Shorter overhangs *edit 5.26.11 Great job Here.
Sexy, Eyecatching styling *edit 05.26.2011 Still needs work
Unique, Quality interiors *edit 05.26.2011 still needs work
Optional Front Limited Slip Differential
Auto On headlights
One Touch Up and Down for all windows
Longer Basic Warranty
Intergrated Key fob
Telescoping steering wheels *edit 5.26.11 Getting there.
Automatic door locking
Side Curtain airbags standard on all models
Rear seats that move forwards and backwards and flip up
Memory seats on more models
Better Paint and More Color choices
LED Taillights
Better, More supportive Seats
Bluetooth *5.26.11 Make it standard and well integrated. Make it capable retrieving contact lists from phones.
Give Spec.B more power than Legacy GT Limited
Legacy STI
Optional Xenon headlights
Better brake feel and stopping distance
Less body roll
Larger, roomier Tribeca and Forester
Wider tires
Larger gas tanks
Power tailgate
Higher towing capacity
More models with Navigation
Better Navigation system (*edit 9.22.2006 Touchscreen + Voice Recognition + Real Time Traffic) *edit 5.26.11 HDD or Flash based systems instead of DVD.
Aux In for base models
Rear reflectors in lower bumper
Reclining rear seats on Forester
More Power in turbo models *edit 5.26.11 especially in the STI and Legacy GT
Coupe (especially on Impreza... possibly on the Legacy...)
VDC Available on more models

*edit 9.5.06 Rain Sensing Wipers
*edit 9.5.06 Larger glovebox for the Tribeca
*edit 9.5.06 Steering wheel mounted controls navigate through presets
*edit 9.5.06 Fold Down rear seats on everything.
*edit 9.14.06 Full iPod integration. GM-Dodge/Chrysler-Ford have it, Nissan-Honda-Scion-Mazda have it, Acura-Infiniti-Audi-BMW-Mercedes have it, Volvo-Volkswagen have it. Time to get with the program

*edit 9.14.06 H6 Turbo or Twin Turbo
*edit 9.14.06 Dedicated sports car w/ sexy, desirable styling (possible convertible?)
*edit 9.14.06 SI drive for 3.6L H6 Tribeca Include modes for Fuel economy engine mapping on Regular gasoline and a mode for aggressive engine mapping for Performance on Premium gasoline(270-300hp, 270-300 lbs/ft torque). Publish the HP/Torque gains from running in "performance mode" vs. "economy mode".
Rav4 makes 269hp 246 lbs/ft torque; New MDX makes 300hp 275 lbs/ft torque; RX350 makes 270hp 251 lbs/ft torque; FX35 makes 280hp 270 lbs/ft torque; Ford Edge makes 265hp 250 lbs/ft torque;


*edit 9.20.06 Rear air vents available on all car lines.
*edit 9.20.06 Puddle lights available on all models (or atleast Tribeca, Forester, Outback...Could be a Subaru recognizable trait)

*edit 9.22.06 Dual Moonroof or Larger moonroof on Non DVD Model Tribecas

*edit 10.13.06 The new grilles (Outback style) look like Chrysler grilles. (Blue symbol placed in the middle of a chrome band set in a crosshatch grille.) Maybe putting the badge on the hood(like BMW) would give more of an upscale look and less of a Chrysler look.

*edit 10.26.2006 Higher Resolution Photos on Subaru.com
*edit 10.26.2006 Update Subaru.com in a timely fashion.(The AWD Ford Fusion was just released today. I was able to go to Ford's site and build one, and compare it with a full website functionality.)

*edit 11.16.2006 Larger Side Mirrors for the Tribeca
*edit 11.16.2006 Retained Memory for heated seat setting in the Tribeca.


*edit 11.21.2006 Side Curtain Airbags that protect the 3rd row occupants in the 7 Passenger Tribeca.

*edit 12.11.2006 Retained Power after key is removed
*edit 12.11.2006 Higher towing capacity for Tribeca (over 5000 lbs)


*edit 9.1.06
Pay attention to what the competition is doing and design products to be ahead of the competition. Do not match your next generation vehicles to what is currently on the market. By the time your product comes out... the competition is already on to the next thing. Subaru has been behind the technology curve...the lack of tech is turning away customers. Quit Playing Catch UP!!!!

*edit 5.26.11 Competitive and well integrated Infotainment
*edit 5.26.11 Keep up with the features offered by the competition.
*edit 5.26.11 More fuel efficient turbo models
*edit 5.26.11 Reduce the dimensions and weight of the WRX and STI.
*edit 5.26.11 Increase the HP and fuel economy of the H6
*edit 5.26.11 Replace all 5MT's with 6MT's
*edit 5.26.11 Consider refreshing the Symmetrical AWD systems and include torque vectoring
*edit 5.26.11 Advanced Keyless entry w/ or w/o push button start[color="Gray"]
*edit 5.26.11 Blind spot detection systems
*edit 5.26.11 Revamped stowable crossbars on Outback to accommodate wider spread.
*edit 5.26.11 Height adjustable passenger seat for Forester
*edit 5.26.11 Dual exhaust for 2.5i Limited Legacy Sedans.
*edit 5.26.11 Side blinker mirrors for all H6's, Turbos, and limited trim Subarus.
*edit 5.26.11 Stay away from FWD

WOW...the above mentioned items are hard to get on high end luxury cars and we're asking SUbaru to put them on a sports car? first, I haven't yet come across an auto-manufacturer that has ALL windows auto up and down unless it's a coupe, the HDD based Navi systems are still new and being test marketed which is why it's been limited to high end brands and some Hondas. As for Hybrids...they're the new IN thing but in no way should Subaru jump on that bandwagon. Many people are becoming saavy to the real life fact that Hybrids do not in fact pay for themselves...in fact they did a study that if you were to buy a base model Prius MSRP'd at 24K+, not including dealer markup it would take at least 10 years to recoup the cost than if you were to just buy a regular Corolla. Blind spot detection...are you serious? If you wanted that in a Benz, BMW, Acura or any other luxury model, do you realize how much MORE you would have to spend?

I don't know about any of you but all the advancements as it is have raised the price of my beloved STI from 24K to well over $30K in a short time period and sure having all the aforementioned options would be GREAT...but I would rather NOT have them and buy a Subie as opposed to paying $50K+ for one! Same reason Honda doesn't used a RWD based AWD setup like Toyota, or all these other features Hyundai and Kia have been putting into their cars to attract buyers. Bottom line the ONLY thing I want Subaru to start putting in the USDM models is the same thing they are offering the EDM and JDM STIs...Push Button Start
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...the ONLY thing I want Subaru to start putting in the USDM models is the same thing they are offering the EDM and JDM STIs.
This. So much hotness we're missing out on (not necessarily Subaru's fault). Also if we could get what Canada gets or vice versa? I still can't believe their Forester Sports XT got all-weather and adjustable HIDs. If mine came with that and leather I would've definitely kept it. It's the small little things that matter, Subaru.
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Old 05-27-2011, 06:33 PM   #1133
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This. So much hotness we're missing out on (not necessarily Subaru's fault). Also if we could get what Canada gets or vice versa? I still can't believe their Forester Sports XT got all-weather and adjustable HIDs. If mine came with that and leather I would've definitely kept it. It's the small little things that matter, Subaru.
You can get HIDs and all weather in the XT in the US in the touring package
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:33 PM   #1134
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dual exhaust? hid bulbs? bluetooth? this is not what made Subaru what is was up untill they went off the deep-end...think about what you loved about your first 90s or 00s Subaru....remember?....
1. reliability....the more crap you put on or in the car electrical or mechanical
the more that can fail...
2. simplicity...basic design in and out.what are they thinking with these
horrible new legacy fender flares? stop making designs that are so wild
they appeal to no one.
3. price...your doing what GM did in the 90s and 00s..all the cars are boring
and the ones that are fun or good looking are too expensive.the greatest
thing Subaru ever did was bring the 2002 WRX to the US..this was the
rebirth of the muscle car...fast,handled great,reliable,amazing
price,great design in and out and all wheel drive...what else was out
there, an Audi S4 for 42k..that is why they sold..

ive owned and told family members to own Subarus,we have a 1993
Impreza,2001 Forester,2002 Impreza RS and 2 2002 WRXs...i know these
cars in and out and love them but i fear that Subaru as a corporation
no longer cares about the past or what made them great..its about
selling cars and i understand that.but making ugly,over optioned cars
that middle class families cant afford is what is killing all automobile
companies.the thing about 60s american cars that was great you could
order the options checklist.you didnt have to get "performance package"
which includes 20 things you dont want just to get the one thing you do
want.

make 3 models....small med and full size...

small..should be just like the justy...great gas mileage,all wheel drive..
bare bones and a upgraded interior,but just basic..thats it...

med...impreza...just like 2002...you had Impreza,Impreza RS or WRX
3 different engines.economy something average and a performance...
interior should be simple.

full size...think 2006 legacy. 2 body styles...wagon or sedan
2 engines,average and a performance.whatever interior you want
leather or cloth.

stay simple reliable and fairly priced and you will sell cars..
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make 3 models....small med and full size...

small..should be just like the justy...great gas mileage,all wheel drive..
bare bones and a upgraded interior,but just basic..thats it...

med...impreza...just like 2002...you had Impreza,Impreza RS or WRX
3 different engines.economy something average and a performance...
interior should be simple.

full size...think 2006 legacy. 2 body styles...wagon or sedan
2 engines,average and a performance.whatever interior you want
leather or cloth.

stay simple reliable and fairly priced and you will sell cars..
because the Justy sold so well. Or perhaps the older imprezas (02 WRX notwithstanding)? No wait, the BL/BP Leggy.. that was a sales superstar. Seriously, you're asking SOA to roll back to past duds and also-rans. The Outback and Forester kept SOA out of bankruptcy in the 90's, the WRX was a shot in the arm but only for it's cheap speed. If you want 90's and early 00's subarus, buy used. The market has spoken and SOA is on a tear.

I'd like to see some more integrated interiors (Hyundai/Ford) and more competitive features. Can't complain about pricing, can't complain about choices, can't complain about styling, mileage is on the upswing... What else you got?
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After 34K miles in my 2009 Forester XT Limited with Navigation, this is what I think Subaru needs to address in the Forester:

- Sound deadening: Outside road, tire, and wind sounds flood the interior. It's loud inside the Forester at highway speeds.

- Transmission: The 4AT offers terrible highway fuel economy at 60+ mph, especially in the turbo model.

- Navigation: The navigation system is very dated and clunky, lacks features. Please add Sirius Travel Link.

- Audio: Top trim Forester models should have Harman Kardon audio. Current audio in Forester is subpar at best.

- Rattles and Creaking: Forester sounds more like a wooden ship at sea in a storm than a automobile.

- Body roll: The Forester NEEDS thicker anti-sway bars. Sways like a tiny boat out in a storm.

Honestly, I would not mind seeing the current body style used for another 3-5+ years. Interior still looks nice too, and with a refreshing, the current Forester could probably get another 5 years in showrooms with just the above updates.

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Old 06-20-2011, 03:26 PM   #1137
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I'd love to see Subaru bring an automatic STI to the states. They sell one in Australia and Japan, need to bring to the USA.


I've been told I'm dreaming on the above in which case I'd like to see a return of the Impreza GT but more closely matched to its manual siblings the WRX & STI. Most especially put the WRX or STI seats in. Especially like to see the following:
  • STI/WRX seats in an automatic Impreza GT (or otherwise named)
  • STI rear spoiler
  • Mirrors from the STI
Steal/borrow following from the 2010 Mazda 3 GT:
  • Inside door pannel (shape and most important long leather wrapped armrest)
  • Padded center armrest
  • Bose (or better) speakers, including factory installed subwoofer
  • Nav/Bluetooth controls on the steering wheel
Better gas mileage without giving up the power and fun to drive. Like what Subaru has announced for the 2012 Impreza hoping WRX and STI won't be far off on the gas mileage (and really hoping for a return of the GT).

Add the Outback luggage rack (with colapsable crossbars) to the Impreza.

automatic Legacy GT wagon

Better Stereo with Nav, Bluetooth, HD Radio & Satelite radio. Similar to what is offered by Alpine, Kenwood & Pioneer aftermarket.
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offer STi in a "TR" level with cheap seats, no stereo, no hid's, cheap wheels, basically anything people are gonna upgrade themselves aside from engine, trans, and suspension
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Why hasn't SOA made a real super-car yet? You know something that could contend with the Audi R8, or Nissan GTR. It seems like they just made 300 crank HP and called it a day.

I think it is about time SOA took on the task of putting together a real super-car.
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I'm guessing the purple is hybrid, gold is FB turbo motors, blue CVT. Top darker green line may indicate a new Forester coming in '12
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WOW...the above mentioned items are hard to get on high end luxury cars and we're asking SUbaru to put them on a sports car? first, I haven't yet come across an auto-manufacturer that has ALL windows auto up and down unless it's a coupe, the HDD based Navi systems are still new and being test marketed which is why it's been limited to high end brands and some Hondas. As for Hybrids...they're the new IN thing but in no way should Subaru jump on that bandwagon. Many people are becoming saavy to the real life fact that Hybrids do not in fact pay for themselves...in fact they did a study that if you were to buy a base model Prius MSRP'd at 24K+, not including dealer markup it would take at least 10 years to recoup the cost than if you were to just buy a regular Corolla. Blind spot detection...are you serious? If you wanted that in a Benz, BMW, Acura or any other luxury model, do you realize how much MORE you would have to spend?

I don't know about any of you but all the advancements as it is have raised the price of my beloved STI from 24K to well over $30K in a short time period and sure having all the aforementioned options would be GREAT...but I would rather NOT have them and buy a Subie as opposed to paying $50K+ for one! Same reason Honda doesn't used a RWD based AWD setup like Toyota, or all these other features Hyundai and Kia have been putting into their cars to attract buyers. Bottom line the ONLY thing I want Subaru to start putting in the USDM models is the same thing they are offering the EDM and JDM STIs...Push Button Start
On the tech/luxury side (nav, ipod connect, climate control, sat radio, navtraffic, etc), Ford offers all of this and more on just about every car in their fleet including the mustang. Subaru is behind due to lack of research. There is no other excuse... My opinion, Subaru has been overcharging buyers for a LONG time and the "updates/improvements" they've made over the last 10 years are negligible when you see what other car companies have done.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:26 PM   #1144
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How about some supportive bucket seats into the AS1 coupe? Recaro's are what people endlessly drone for...at least make them an option?
Ooh, and what about wider wheels and tires for the rear track (granted they will be able to fit)?

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Old 08-04-2011, 05:10 PM   #1145
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...have it that the Honda Ridgeline will be replaced by a CRV-based pickup in 2013. No doubt this decision is being driven by the very tough upcoming gas mileage requirements.

Maybe it's time Subaru should consider offering a new Baja2? Seems like the time and market would be more receptive to it now. Honda seems to think so. Maybe spin a truck of the Toyota A-BAT, which apparently is going to be built and badged as a Scion, but with a boxer engine?

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Old 08-04-2011, 10:11 PM   #1146
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Yup.

Forester Diesel SUT, which fits that description rather well.
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:15 PM   #1147
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dual exhaust? hid bulbs? bluetooth? this is not what made Subaru what is was up untill they went off the deep-end...think about what you loved about your first 90s or 00s Subaru....remember?....
1. reliability....the more crap you put on or in the car electrical or mechanical
the more that can fail...
2. simplicity...basic design in and out.what are they thinking with these
horrible new legacy fender flares? stop making designs that are so wild
they appeal to no one.
3. price...your doing what GM did in the 90s and 00s..all the cars are boring
and the ones that are fun or good looking are too expensive.the greatest
thing Subaru ever did was bring the 2002 WRX to the US..this was the
rebirth of the muscle car...fast,handled great,reliable,amazing
price,great design in and out and all wheel drive...what else was out
there, an Audi S4 for 42k..that is why they sold..

ive owned and told family members to own Subarus,we have a 1993
Impreza,2001 Forester,2002 Impreza RS and 2 2002 WRXs...i know these
cars in and out and love them but i fear that Subaru as a corporation
no longer cares about the past or what made them great..its about
selling cars and i understand that.but making ugly,over optioned cars
that middle class families cant afford is what is killing all automobile
companies.the thing about 60s american cars that was great you could
order the options checklist.you didnt have to get "performance package"
which includes 20 things you dont want just to get the one thing you do
want.
............

stay simple reliable and fairly priced and you will sell cars..

simplicity doesn't make money as much anymore with the market, simplicity is going to be hard now with what the market demands.

This is fine for a person who just wants to go from point A to point B, but for people who stay in their cars for a long period of time they need more than just a radio with 6 preselected stations. the navgation option for the impreza (as with other cars) is insanely expensive in my eyes but it still sells, Ford SYNC is offered in the focus! why doesn't Subaru try to up their options/ interior? I saw photos of the new interior for the '12 impreza, and it looks MUCH better and modern.

I'm not trying to bash your thoughts because you are right, simplicity keeps away from any problems with the car. but it's becoming unavoidable with today's market.


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On the tech/luxury side (nav, ipod connect, climate control, sat radio, navtraffic, etc), Ford offers all of this and more on just about every car in their fleet including the mustang. Subaru is behind due to lack of research. There is no other excuse... My opinion, Subaru has been overcharging buyers for a LONG time and the "updates/improvements" they've made over the last 10 years are negligible when you see what other car companies have done.
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Would love to see Subaru hook up with Xplore, and offer an Xplore-speced Forester (or XV!). I really think there's a market for such a vehicle. It also fits in with SOA's long-held support of outdoor activity, as Xplore is a supporter of the National Park Foundation.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/11/x...oyota-4runner/

http://www.xplorevehicles.com/

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Suggestion for future models, concerning the 2012 Impreza: Current USDM Impreza pictures shown include a white faced gauge cluster set into a black surround/bezel. Current Canadian market Impreza pictures show a black faced gauge cluster set into a black surround/bezel. The Canadian cluster bezel looks much cleaner and more upscale than the white faced gauge cluster. I would suggest that you consider, if possible, to put the black cluster into USDM 2012 Impreza models.
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Suggestion for future models, concerning the 2012 Impreza: Current USDM Impreza pictures shown include a white faced gauge cluster set into a black surround/bezel. Current Canadian market Impreza pictures show a black faced gauge cluster set into a black surround/bezel. The Canadian cluster bezel looks much cleaner and more upscale than the white faced gauge cluster. I would suggest that you consider, if possible, to put the black cluster into USDM 2012 Impreza models.
Most likely too late. MY2013 per chance? I completely agree, though. If I'm going to see these things driving around then I want them done right!
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