Suggestions to SOA: Ref. Future Models - Page 49

keepclam · 02-22-2012, 02:31 AM

SOA Blog: Please consider offering the new FB 1.6L turbo in the Crosstrek in the States. It would match XV's fun personality and, because Crosstrek would be more likely to see high-altitude driving (due to its snow-worthy ground clearance), the turbo would also be practical choice.

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Otobot · 03-05-2012, 01:57 PM

A ford fiesta sized Subaru WRX 3 door hatch, lightweight, 300+ HP, and the option for a twin clutch transmission. I dont think thats too much to ask for a next gen subaru. I can care less if it has 3, 4, 5 doors. 90% of the time it will seat just me and one passenger. Just make it fast, reliable, and strong.

Make it look like this or something close to it:
http://apicdn.viglink.com/api/click?...c.com%2Fforums

HipToBeSquare · 03-06-2012, 04:38 PM

IMPORT THE FORESTER S-Edition!

Why is this not in the US? 268hp WRX Turbo engine, with 5EAT-Sport Shift.

They could sell it that way, or with '10+ Legacy GT's 6 speed manual, WRX 5-speed manual, or even previous Legacy GT Spec.B's VTD 6-speed manual based on the STI-type transaxle.

I find myself needing a bit more cargo room, and I would trade my '05 Legacy GT 5-speed, if I could get this Forester in it's place. Current XT with the 4EAT, and only 230hp DOES NOT CUT IT.

I have wanted a WRB Legacy since the 04 JDM Legacy debuted, they got it, we never did. Bring this Forester to the US, WITH WORLD RALLY BLUE PAINT, and the black/blue insert interior.

phillywrx · 03-27-2012, 04:03 PM

-6-speed manual trans on the turbo forester
-infinitely better stock stereo is needed with options for 10 or 12 inch sub (i have an 09, not sure if improvements have been made). i am getting too old to do HU/speaker swaps and sub installs.
- better AC function - i lose AC randomly, not just when accelerating. for a split second i get warm air. this has happened in every subaru i have owned (4) since 2002.
-i'd be willing to pay gobs for this - re-read that soa - a similar forester trim to that of the mountain rescue vehicle shown at SEMA. mostly i am interested in the front and rear brush bar with lights and/or winch affixed, fog lights on top of roof, and room in the wheel wells for some big nobbies.

79letour · 03-27-2012, 05:36 PM

- 6 speed manual transmission available on all models.

chanomatik · 03-27-2012, 05:50 PM

Yes, but how do you want them geared?

79letour · 03-27-2012, 06:09 PM

That would depend on the model and use I suppose. My '12 Impreza has an okay 5 speed. The gearing, imo, isnt ideal. First and second are pretty good. Third is okay, still useful, but fourth is too wide and fifth isn't as efficient as it really could/should be.

HipToBeSquare · 03-27-2012, 06:34 PM

I'd love an EZ-series H6, with numerically lower final overdrive ratio in a manual gearbox.

Good power without lots of complexity of a turbo system, and a gearbox that will allow it to cruise around 2K RPMs, rather than 3K like more under-powered NA 4s, or turbo 4s to keep them near positive boost.

keepclam · 03-27-2012, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillywrx

-i'd be willing to pay gobs for this - re-read that soa - a similar forester trim to that of the mountain rescue vehicle shown at SEMA. mostly i am interested in the front and rear brush bar with lights and/or winch affixed, fog lights on top of roof, and room in the wheel wells for some big nobbies.

That Forester was indeed sweet. Maybe with the 2014 model change.

phillywrx · 03-28-2012, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keepclam

That Forester was indeed sweet. Maybe with the 2014 model change.

i will def not be holding my breath. from what i read, most people want to go the other way - sti version or lowered/more power, etc. and i'd bet good money they won't even get what they want here in the states, leaving my chances in the 1:million odds range.

keepclam · 03-28-2012, 11:40 AM

Oh, I agree the odds are extremely low, but if they want to differentiate Forester more from the new Crosstrek, that might help the case a teeny bit. I'm not holding my breath either.

HipToBeSquare · 03-28-2012, 01:09 PM

I hold a sliver of hope for a big swan-song special edition to the SH Forester, before it gets re-done for 2014, based on an up-sized version of the new Impreza chassis, which we have seen spy-shots of already.

S-Edition with WRX-EJ-268hp or EZ-series H6 power, and 6MT or 5EAT-SS, SI-Drive, and the whole works, pretty much 2009 Legacy Spec.B/3.0R Limited kind of specs... would be a nice send-off to the SH Forester. WR Blue please. They are built in Gunma... and that plant has that paint color in their paint facility already, unlike SIA. Gunma already builds the Forester S-Edition as it already exists.

banyan · 03-29-2012, 10:49 AM

wrong thread...

subyski · 03-30-2012, 11:34 AM

Here is a suggestion for SOA, now that the LGT is dead. Could you please offer the 6MT with the 3.6R in both Legacy and Outback models?

keepclam · 03-30-2012, 01:31 PM

Impreza's tilting headrests throughout the lineup, please.

I have a feeling this may be in the works, but an Impreza GT would be nice to help fill the pending void left by Legacy GT and WRX (if it truly downsizes as rumored).

79letour · 03-31-2012, 10:11 AM

After driving several cars with the FB, I just wish they'd put the 2.5 FB and the six speed gearbox in the current Impreza. I really think I would do almost the same in real world mpg's.

chanomatik · 03-31-2012, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 79letour

After driving several cars with the FB, I just wish they'd put the 2.5 FB and the six speed gearbox in the current Impreza. I really think I would do almost the same in real world mpg's.

I'd be down to give this a shot if it were available.

goleee33 · 04-09-2012, 02:02 AM

put roof rack attachments on the sedan impreza's. Its designed to go anywhere, but it simply can't take anything. Pretty dumb if you ask me. Also, make white with black interior!!!!!!

Nawambo · 04-09-2012, 08:45 AM

Can we get any additional information on the proposed BRZ STI, please?

Sub!eDr!ver · 04-09-2012, 09:53 AM

SOA_Blog won't/can't comment on future product. He/she stated that the current BRZ will continue unchanged for at least 2 model years. You probably won't get anything more until they're ready to make it public.

We have heard rumors from a couple different sources, one stating 250hp, and the other stating up to 280hp, but that may be because it hasn't been truly decided yet.

I think, at 280, with not much more weight than the current BRZ, it would outshine the WRX STI. I don't think that is in the cards for the US. They won't even give us a Legacy STI because they don't want to dilute the STI brand.

It has also been stated that a higher performance BRZ probably won't even wear the STI logo.

Sub!eDr!ver · 04-09-2012, 10:14 AM

Well, since I'm posting here, I do have a couple suggestions that I stated elsewhere:

Since SOA seems no longer interested in producing the Legacy GT, here are some suggestions:

Make it a little more exclusive to increase demand. Replace it with a Spec.B model for 2013, then an STI model (or tS) for 2014, as a last hurrah before the new model bows in 2015.

So:
2010 Legacy GT
2011 Legacy GT
2012 Legacy GT
2013 Legacy Spec.B
2014 Legacy STI

Maybe for the next series, break it up a bit more:
2015 Legacy GT
2016 Legacy GT
2017 Legacy GT Spec.B
2018 Legacy GT
2019 Legacy STI

Here's another suggestion: Since there isn't too much farther you can go in hp and torque for the 2.5 turbo motor, why not make a lightly pressurized 3.6.

I know the 3.6 was probably never designed for turbocharging, but it could be massaged a bit, maybe just some iron cylinder sleeves and forged pistons.

You could offer it at 300+ hp, and tuners could take it further if desired. I heard back when the 3.6 was first released that it was capable of 300+ without turbocharging, but Subaru didn't have a transmission that could handle it. What about the '07-'09 Spec.B transmission? I know it was about 100 lbs heavier than the 5-speed-based 6-speed in the current (former?) GT, but with 300+ hp, it wouldn't be an issue.

I know that SOA is currently targeting Camry and Accord, but GT owners compare our cars to BMW M3/M5, or Audi S4/S6. Maybe you need to separate out the GT/Spec.B/STi Legacy to make a different model that would compete more with those cars.

Oh, and one more thought:
Releasing the '10-'12 GT with the driving-appliance front end of the standard Legacy is probably what killed it. Not too many people want an invisible performance car. When you have power, you want to display it.

The more aggressive 2013 front end is a little more worthy of the GT, but now we have no GT.

At least put a 6-speed manual in the 3.6 if you're not going to make a performance model.

HipToBeSquare · 04-09-2012, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub!eDr!ver

Well, since I'm posting here, I do have a couple suggestions that I stated elsewhere:

Since SOA seems no longer interested in producing the Legacy GT, here are some suggestions:

Make it a little more exclusive to increase demand. Replace it with a Spec.B model for 2013, then an STI model (or tS) for 2014, as a last hurrah before the new model bows in 2015.

So:
2010 Legacy GT
2011 Legacy GT
2012 Legacy GT
2013 Legacy Spec.B
2014 Legacy STI

Maybe for the next series, break it up a bit more:
2015 Legacy GT
2016 Legacy GT
2017 Legacy GT Spec.B
2018 Legacy GT
2019 Legacy STI

Here's another suggestion: Since there isn't too much farther you can go in hp and torque for the 2.5 turbo motor, why not make a lightly pressurized 3.6.

I know the 3.6 was probably never designed for turbocharging, but it could be massaged a bit, maybe just some iron cylinder sleeves and forged pistons.

You could offer it at 300+ hp, and tuners could take it further if desired. I heard back when the 3.6 was first released that it was capable of 300+ without turbocharging, but Subaru didn't have a transmission that could handle it. What about the '07-'09 Spec.B transmission? I know it was about 100 lbs heavier than the 5-speed-based 6-speed in the current (former?) GT, but with 300+ hp, it wouldn't be an issue.

I know that SOA is currently targeting Camry and Accord, but GT owners compare our cars to BMW M3/M5, or Audi S4/S6. Maybe you need to separate out the GT/Spec.B/STi Legacy to make a different model that would compete more with those cars.

Oh, and one more thought:
Releasing the '10-'12 GT with the driving-appliance front end of the standard Legacy is probably what killed it. Not too many people want an invisible performance car. When you have power, you want to display it.

The more aggressive 2013 front end is a little more worthy of the GT, but now we have no GT.

At least put a 6-speed manual in the 3.6 if you're not going to make a performance model.

I like your suggestions.

But I have a feeling the EZ36's horsepower issue is due to the transaxle it is bolted to, more than anything, and could be optimized to 300+ horsepower with minor changes, (cam profiles, ECU tuning... perhaps Valvematic or AVLS re-introduced, more with D-4S compound fuel injection)

...if the transaxle behind it were capable of handling that with a long warranty.

Can you name a single engine mounted to a 5EAT Sport Shift transaxle that has made more than 260 lb. ft. of torque from the factory?

Nope. Even the WRX STI Spec.A automatic in japan is de-tuned to a Legacy GT/WRX like 250-260hp and torque.

The Legacy GT's 6MT since 2010 may or may not handle that... it is based on the previous 5MT, plus another gear.

2007-2009 Legacy GT Spec.B's STI-like 6MT would handle it, with VTD, but it hasn't been used since 2009, and it is heavier and more expensive than the '10+ LGT 6MT.

I hope they do things like that... but somehow I think Subaru, at least Subaru of America, is done with Turbocharged or any other high-performance Legacy. I am sorry to say that, but I don't see any other trend.

IF they were interested in that, why was Legacy GT a factory-order only, and not pushed though the inventory channels?

If they were interested in performance in general, how does anyone explain the 4EAT in the Forester XT? No manual of any kind, nor even a 5EAT.

4EAT has an even lower tacit torque limit, down around 230hp/torque, ever since the EG33 in my SVX. EG33 had a lot more potential, and chews up 4EATS even under a stock tune. People have gotten more power out of EG33s after putting manual gearboxes behind those, too. even one or two well over 300hp naturally aspirated, without AVCS, just standard DOHC with fixed timing, and good intake and exhaust design.

I hope Subaru does take these suggestions... as well as mine about upgrading the Forester to S-Edition, and an AWD Grand Touring coupe model.

But I must say that I don't have a lot of confidence.

The last, and currently-only hope is the next WRX and STI. Help us Obi-WRX.

jr0bb5 · 04-11-2012, 10:37 AM

A "real" Impreza sports model. Now that the WRX and STI will be totally separate from the Impreza, how about a Impreza with the new N/A 2.5l from the '13 Legacy with a 6 speed MT and all the options from available from other markets.

79letour · 04-11-2012, 11:17 AM

Thats what I've been sayin... A new RS!

North Star · 05-08-2012, 12:25 PM

I would like to see Subaru try their hand at a small and mid-sized pick up truck. Something about the size of the Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier, with engines ranging from turbo 4 cylinders to turbo 6 cylinders. Even an n/a large displacement 6 cylinder sounds nice. Focus on gearing for more torque and durability that a work truck would need, and some decent towing.

03-05-2012, 01:57 PM	#1202
Otobot Scooby Newbie Member#: 306844 Join Date: Jan 2012	A ford fiesta sized Subaru WRX 3 door hatch, lightweight, 300+ HP, and the option for a twin clutch transmission. I dont think thats too much to ask for a next gen subaru. I can care less if it has 3, 4, 5 doors. 90% of the time it will seat just me and one passenger. Just make it fast, reliable, and strong. Make it look like this or something close to it: http://apicdn.viglink.com/api/click?...c.com%2Fforums Last edited by Otobot; 03-05-2012 at 02:06 PM.

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02-22-2012, 02:31 AM	#1201
keepclam Scooby Specialist Member#: 120244 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Everett, WA Vehicle: 2006 Legacy SE Sedan 2006 Pilot EX-L 4WD	SOA Blog: Please consider offering the new FB 1.6L turbo in the Crosstrek in the States. It would match XV's fun personality and, because Crosstrek would be more likely to see high-altitude driving (due to its snow-worthy ground clearance), the turbo would also be practical choice. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

03-06-2012, 04:38 PM	#1203
HipToBeSquare Scooby Specialist Member#: 119958 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Ltd. Garnet Red Pearl	IMPORT THE FORESTER S-Edition! Why is this not in the US? 268hp WRX Turbo engine, with 5EAT-Sport Shift. They could sell it that way, or with '10+ Legacy GT's 6 speed manual, WRX 5-speed manual, or even previous Legacy GT Spec.B's VTD 6-speed manual based on the STI-type transaxle. I find myself needing a bit more cargo room, and I would trade my '05 Legacy GT 5-speed, if I could get this Forester in it's place. Current XT with the 4EAT, and only 230hp DOES NOT CUT IT. I have wanted a WRB Legacy since the 04 JDM Legacy debuted, they got it, we never did. Bring this Forester to the US, WITH WORLD RALLY BLUE PAINT, and the black/blue insert interior.

03-27-2012, 04:03 PM	#1204
phillywrx Scooby Newbie Member#: 19876 Join Date: Jun 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Carpe Beerum Vehicle: 2013 Sorento SX AWD	-6-speed manual trans on the turbo forester -infinitely better stock stereo is needed with options for 10 or 12 inch sub (i have an 09, not sure if improvements have been made). i am getting too old to do HU/speaker swaps and sub installs. - better AC function - i lose AC randomly, not just when accelerating. for a split second i get warm air. this has happened in every subaru i have owned (4) since 2002. -i'd be willing to pay gobs for this - re-read that soa - a similar forester trim to that of the mountain rescue vehicle shown at SEMA. mostly i am interested in the front and rear brush bar with lights and/or winch affixed, fog lights on top of roof, and room in the wheel wells for some big nobbies.

03-27-2012, 05:36 PM	#1205
79letour Scooby Specialist Member#: 302570 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: dear old dixie Vehicle: 2012 Impreza Ice Silver Oil Burner	- 6 speed manual transmission available on all models.

03-27-2012, 05:50 PM	#1206
chanomatik NASIOC Supporter Member#: 159474 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: East Anchorage (yuck!) Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Ltd 6MT CBS Counter-steer like a boss	Yes, but how do you want them geared?

03-27-2012, 06:09 PM	#1207
79letour Scooby Specialist Member#: 302570 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: dear old dixie Vehicle: 2012 Impreza Ice Silver Oil Burner	That would depend on the model and use I suppose. My '12 Impreza has an okay 5 speed. The gearing, imo, isnt ideal. First and second are pretty good. Third is okay, still useful, but fourth is too wide and fifth isn't as efficient as it really could/should be.

03-27-2012, 06:34 PM	#1208
HipToBeSquare Scooby Specialist Member#: 119958 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Ltd. Garnet Red Pearl	I'd love an EZ-series H6, with numerically lower final overdrive ratio in a manual gearbox. Good power without lots of complexity of a turbo system, and a gearbox that will allow it to cruise around 2K RPMs, rather than 3K like more under-powered NA 4s, or turbo 4s to keep them near positive boost.

03-28-2012, 11:40 AM	#1211
keepclam Scooby Specialist Member#: 120244 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Everett, WA Vehicle: 2006 Legacy SE Sedan 2006 Pilot EX-L 4WD	Oh, I agree the odds are extremely low, but if they want to differentiate Forester more from the new Crosstrek, that might help the case a teeny bit. I'm not holding my breath either.

03-28-2012, 01:09 PM	#1212
HipToBeSquare Scooby Specialist Member#: 119958 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Ltd. Garnet Red Pearl	I hold a sliver of hope for a big swan-song special edition to the SH Forester, before it gets re-done for 2014, based on an up-sized version of the new Impreza chassis, which we have seen spy-shots of already. S-Edition with WRX-EJ-268hp or EZ-series H6 power, and 6MT or 5EAT-SS, SI-Drive, and the whole works, pretty much 2009 Legacy Spec.B/3.0R Limited kind of specs... would be a nice send-off to the SH Forester. WR Blue please. They are built in Gunma... and that plant has that paint color in their paint facility already, unlike SIA. Gunma already builds the Forester S-Edition as it already exists.

03-29-2012, 10:49 AM	#1213
banyan Scooby Newbie Member#: 181013 Join Date: May 2008 Location: ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ Vehicle: øøøø	wrong thread...

03-30-2012, 11:34 AM	#1214
subyski Scooby Specialist Member#: 202642 Join Date: Nov 2007 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Centennial, Colorado Vehicle: '08 2.5i,'65 Stang '80 Vette L82,'73 914 2.0	Here is a suggestion for SOA, now that the LGT is dead. Could you please offer the 6MT with the 3.6R in both Legacy and Outback models?

03-30-2012, 01:31 PM	#1215
keepclam Scooby Specialist Member#: 120244 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Everett, WA Vehicle: 2006 Legacy SE Sedan 2006 Pilot EX-L 4WD	Impreza's tilting headrests throughout the lineup, please. I have a feeling this may be in the works, but an Impreza GT would be nice to help fill the pending void left by Legacy GT and WRX (if it truly downsizes as rumored).

03-31-2012, 10:11 AM	#1216
79letour Scooby Specialist Member#: 302570 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: dear old dixie Vehicle: 2012 Impreza Ice Silver Oil Burner	After driving several cars with the FB, I just wish they'd put the 2.5 FB and the six speed gearbox in the current Impreza. I really think I would do almost the same in real world mpg's.

04-09-2012, 02:02 AM	#1218
goleee33 Scooby Newbie Member#: 301701 Join Date: Nov 2011 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Orange County, CA Vehicle: 2012 WRX 5-Door SWP	put roof rack attachments on the sedan impreza's. Its designed to go anywhere, but it simply can't take anything. Pretty dumb if you ask me. Also, make white with black interior!!!!!!

04-09-2012, 08:45 AM	#1219
Nawambo Scooby Specialist Member#: 64358 Join Date: Jun 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Washington, DC Vehicle: 2011 Outback 3.6 Ltd 2006 WRX STI	Can we get any additional information on the proposed BRZ STI, please?

04-09-2012, 09:53 AM	#1220
Sub!eDr!ver Scooby Newbie Member#: 88924 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Vehicle: 2007 Tribeca Limited 05 LGT (98 LGT, 88 Justy)	SOA_Blog won't/can't comment on future product. He/she stated that the current BRZ will continue unchanged for at least 2 model years. You probably won't get anything more until they're ready to make it public. We have heard rumors from a couple different sources, one stating 250hp, and the other stating up to 280hp, but that may be because it hasn't been truly decided yet. I think, at 280, with not much more weight than the current BRZ, it would outshine the WRX STI. I don't think that is in the cards for the US. They won't even give us a Legacy STI because they don't want to dilute the STI brand. It has also been stated that a higher performance BRZ probably won't even wear the STI logo.

04-09-2012, 10:14 AM	#1221
Sub!eDr!ver Scooby Newbie Member#: 88924 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Vehicle: 2007 Tribeca Limited 05 LGT (98 LGT, 88 Justy)	Well, since I'm posting here, I do have a couple suggestions that I stated elsewhere: Since SOA seems no longer interested in producing the Legacy GT, here are some suggestions: Make it a little more exclusive to increase demand. Replace it with a Spec.B model for 2013, then an STI model (or tS) for 2014, as a last hurrah before the new model bows in 2015. So: 2010 Legacy GT 2011 Legacy GT 2012 Legacy GT 2013 Legacy Spec.B 2014 Legacy STI Maybe for the next series, break it up a bit more: 2015 Legacy GT 2016 Legacy GT 2017 Legacy GT Spec.B 2018 Legacy GT 2019 Legacy STI Here's another suggestion: Since there isn't too much farther you can go in hp and torque for the 2.5 turbo motor, why not make a lightly pressurized 3.6. I know the 3.6 was probably never designed for turbocharging, but it could be massaged a bit, maybe just some iron cylinder sleeves and forged pistons. You could offer it at 300+ hp, and tuners could take it further if desired. I heard back when the 3.6 was first released that it was capable of 300+ without turbocharging, but Subaru didn't have a transmission that could handle it. What about the '07-'09 Spec.B transmission? I know it was about 100 lbs heavier than the 5-speed-based 6-speed in the current (former?) GT, but with 300+ hp, it wouldn't be an issue. I know that SOA is currently targeting Camry and Accord, but GT owners compare our cars to BMW M3/M5, or Audi S4/S6. Maybe you need to separate out the GT/Spec.B/STi Legacy to make a different model that would compete more with those cars. Oh, and one more thought: Releasing the '10-'12 GT with the driving-appliance front end of the standard Legacy is probably what killed it. Not too many people want an invisible performance car. When you have power, you want to display it. The more aggressive 2013 front end is a little more worthy of the GT, but now we have no GT. At least put a 6-speed manual in the 3.6 if you're not going to make a performance model.

04-11-2012, 10:37 AM	#1223
jr0bb5 NASIOC Supporter Member#: 315353 Join Date: Apr 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2012 Impreza Sp Prem 5MT OBP/DGM	A "real" Impreza sports model. Now that the WRX and STI will be totally separate from the Impreza, how about a Impreza with the new N/A 2.5l from the '13 Legacy with a 6 speed MT and all the options from available from other markets.

04-11-2012, 11:17 AM	#1224
79letour Scooby Specialist Member#: 302570 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: dear old dixie Vehicle: 2012 Impreza Ice Silver Oil Burner	Thats what I've been sayin... A new RS!

05-08-2012, 12:25 PM	#1225
North Star Scooby Newbie Member#: 191334 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Where the fires run wild Vehicle: 2005 Forester XT Cayenne Red	I would like to see Subaru try their hand at a small and mid-sized pick up truck. Something about the size of the Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier, with engines ranging from turbo 4 cylinders to turbo 6 cylinders. Even an n/a large displacement 6 cylinder sounds nice. Focus on gearing for more torque and durability that a work truck would need, and some decent towing.