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Old 09-01-2006, 11:15 AM   #1
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Default Best w/i kit for running straight water?

I'm looking to purchase a coolingmist w/i kit just to run straight distilled water. So for is because i'm looking to use the kit as a safey measure than for power gains.

What is the best kit coolingmist kit that will satisfy my need?
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Old 09-06-2006, 11:02 PM   #2
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Any of the coolingmist kits will accomplish your goal. Keep in mind that the more money you spend on their kit you get more safety accessories. One day you may want to run more than just water and it will be just a matter tuning and changing your mixture.
I bought the stage 1 kit and I have added almost everything they offer to make it safer. I could have saved a few $'s by just purchasing their best kit in the first place.
I have never dealt with anyone else but I can tell you that cooloingmist has the best customer service I have experienced. IMO they rate up there with the Japanese tune shops that I dealt with for 9 years.

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Old 09-07-2006, 12:56 AM   #3
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Coolingmist has ok kits, but I'd go somewhere else for safety devices. Imo coolingmists customer support is self serving and aids them in scamming their clients(as seen above). This is pretty apparent when anyone who has talked to a company starts off by explaining their understanding with these words, "the more money you spend..". If that was true, subarus wouldn't have such a high safety rating. I mean, a lot of the time you do get more safety and/or performance by spending more money, but..............

Running stuff other then just water will require different parts and possibly different placement of parts to keep the same level of safety/reliability. This is cause other liquids have more corrosive propperties then water, many of them are flammable unlike water, and many have a lower boiling temp then water. This is pobably why companies that promote alc injection kits instead of water injection kits have things like braided metal lines(like fuel lines) instead of nylon tubing(and so on).

Water injection is not a safety device. It might aid in preventing detonation, but it's not the same as running higher octane fuel(or a safer tune) because the higher octane fuel(or a safer tune) will be there no matter what happens, and the water injection kit can fail pretty easily when you think about it(not that it ever happened to me). If you use water injection to get the same power as before water injection, and the system fails, the tune will be more agressive then before(to compensate for the loss of power do to water), and therefore the engine will be in more danger then it was before the water injection(if something doesn't notice and compensate for the loss of water injection).

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...What is the best kit coolingmist kit that will satisfy my need?
What do you mean by best? All their water injection kits are basically the same, with a few parts added or switched. It's not like one of their kits is a different animal then another. You pay more for certain things, and before you do so, you should probably know what you want, what you need need, and what the kits(or certain parts) actually provide. I say actually because of the way certain products are marketted, and how people are lead to beleive that certain products do things they really don't do.

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Old 09-07-2006, 12:59 AM   #4
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Here's a little example from the coolingmist website.

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These are clog nozzle/water flow detectors, Made of brass to withstand the higher pressure. They can handle 250 psi and come with all the hardward to connect to a coolingmist kit. If you have a non coolingmist kit they will work also, you will need to get barbs to fit your hose. when the methanol / water flows they will blink, if the system gets a clog you will get a light.
This device advertised by coolingmist as a clog nozzle/water flow detector is neither a clogged nozzle or water flow detector. It's a pressure sensor, and it can't detect if the water is flowing, or if a nozzle is clogged, even though coolingmist says it can in the above advertisement.

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Old 09-07-2006, 01:00 AM   #5
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....double post

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Old 09-07-2006, 08:51 AM   #6
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Hippy,
Where in my statement above do I say coolingmist is a scammer? You are all over these boards bashing coolingmist constantly. I do not know you or visa versa, I have not seen you prove anything that you spaek about.
I purchased the stage 1 kit because that was what I wanted at the time. I bought it brand new from a member here -not coolingmist.com. I contacted David at coolingmist for simple instructions on the kit. He did not try to sell me anything and gave me perfect instructions for the install. Since then I have changed my setup and I needed more accessories.
I have read here before you trying to pursuade members not to buy the coolingmist kits, however you have not backed anything that you have said with physical evidence.
The OP asked a simple question and I gave him a simple answer.
Anytime you can add anything that will prevent or minimize detonation on our cars it is a " safety messure". Water added to the cylinder walls does help curve detonation.
I say to your claims of false advertisement ; Bring on the facts or stay to hell out of the threads.
IMHO- Coolingmist kits are the shiot, all that counts in the end is that the consumer is happy with the product that they get and that the product works as advertised. I have not had a single problem with my kit and am very happy with my kit.

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Coolingmist has ok kits, but I'd go somewhere else for safety devices. Imo coolingmists customer support is self serving and aids them in scamming their clients(as seen above). This is pretty apparent when anyone who has talked to a company starts off by explaining their understanding with these words, "the more money you spend..". If that was true, subarus wouldn't have such a high safety rating. I mean, a lot of the time you do get more safety and/or performance by spending more money, but..............

Running stuff other then just water will require different parts and possibly different placement of parts to keep the same level of safety/reliability. This is cause other liquids have more corrosive propperties then water, many of them are flammable unlike water, and many have a lower boiling temp then water. This is pobably why companies that promote alc injection kits instead of water injection kits have things like braided metal lines(like fuel lines) instead of nylon tubing(and so on).

Water injection is not a safety device. It might aid in preventing detonation, but it's not the same as running higher octane fuel(or a safer tune) because the higher octane fuel(or a safer tune) will be there no matter what happens, and the water injection kit can fail pretty easily when you think about it(not that it ever happened to me). If you use water injection to get the same power as before water injection, and the system fails, the tune will be more agressive then before(to compensate for the loss of power do to water), and therefore the engine will be in more danger then it was before the water injection(if something doesn't notice and compensate for the loss of water injection).



What do you mean by best? All their water injection kits are basically the same, with a few parts added or switched. It's not like one of their kits is a different animal then another. You pay more for certain things, and before you do so, you should probably know what you want, what you need need, and what the kits(or certain parts) actually provide. I say actually because of the way certain products are marketted and what not, and how people are lead to beleive that certain products do things they really don't do.

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Old 09-07-2006, 10:38 AM   #7
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You didn't say they scammed people, I did. I'm really not lookin for a fight. I was just pointing out that asking which kit is the best and/or trusting the word of someone else probably isn't the best way to choose something you're going to buy. It would be wise to know what you're getting, why you're getting it, and if you're getting it for a reasonable price.

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ps-I have nothing against coolingmists products, just the way they advertise them.

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Old 09-07-2006, 12:16 PM   #8
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Hippy,
Here is what you wrote, " Imo coolingmists customer support is self serving and aids them in scamming their clients(as seen above)."
Since I was poster #2 and poster #1 didnt mentioned being scammed I assumed you were talking about me.
I read almost every single thread in this topic and I have never seen any kind of proof that coolingmist practices bad business and or scamming customers. All of my dealings with them they have been nothing but helpful and informative.
On the other note in the Subaru AM as with all other manufacturers you get what you pay for. And almost nothing is for free.

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You didn't say they scammed people, I did. I'm really not lookin for a fight. I was just pointing out that asking which kit is the best and/or trusting the word of someone else probably isn't the best way to choose something you're going to buy. It would be wise to know what you're getting, why you're getting it, and if you're getting it for a reasonable price.

peace

ps-I have nothing against coolingmists products, just the way they advertise them.
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Old 09-07-2006, 12:49 PM   #9
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I didn't mean you said you were scammed. What I ment was, you were scammed and/or ripped off if you baught their "clog nozzle/water flow detector". It is a product that costs $19.80 from mcmaster-carr, and they sell it for $50(and once sold for $70). So, imo you got ripped off(if you got one from coolingmist), and if you thought that it detected flow or if a nozzle was clogged, then you got scammed. That was my point. It had nothing to do with you saying you got scammed, cause you did not.

On the note of getting what you pay for, it's not always true if you buy from coolingmist and not the companies they buy stuff from. Even if you do get what you pay for, if you don't know what you're getting, you might end up paying a lot more then you need to for what you're trying to do. This is especially true if you buy something advertised as one thing when it's not.

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