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Old 10-30-2001, 09:36 AM   #1
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Default OT:Mysterious 12-Second WRX Spanked by Silver Talon

Do y'all remember some time ago there was a post about this tuner in Cranston, RI who supposedly had a bad-a$$ WRX? Well, I spoke with Donnell, a founder of the Warpspeed Autosalon crew and he had a run-in with him. A highway race actually. I know this probably belongs in OT but because of the local aspect I think there is some enhanced interest.

Well, this guy's name is Harry and he does own some sort of tuning business in Cranston and he does have a modded WRX. But apparently either he can't drive it or the car was not performing. From a rolling start, he got totally blasted by a modified Talon (12.2 ET best with nitrous). Even if he was running low 13s, he should not have been so badly beaten as the Talon was not running N2O for this race.

I'm posting this to see if anyone else has any more information about this Cranston tuner. From the sounds of it, doesn't seem like someone I'd go to but just curious anyway. Dax, have you heard any more?

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Old 10-31-2001, 07:53 AM   #2
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One of the guys at a recent auto-x mentioned there was someone that was running about 500 hp in his WRX from Cranston. This guy.

This is not the only time I had heard of this car.

A 13 sec WRX is not anywhere near 500 hp.

A 12 sec Talon takes quite a bit of work. Has he been up at NED to race it? The guy's name with the talon doesn't sound familiar and I know quite a few DSM guys.

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Old 10-31-2001, 09:27 AM   #3
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KC,

This guy Donnell is also the warranty manager in the service dept at Bald Hill. I have checked out his car, as has Eric, it is intense. Anyway, you can see the write-up on his rig at Warpspeed Auto Salon .

He has run it in the last month at NED and pulled a 13.2 at around 105. Bad wheelspin.

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Old 10-31-2001, 01:54 PM   #4
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A 12 sec Talon takes quite a bit of work.
LOL...not if you talk to the NEDSM guys. I think we have just as many guys in the 12s as we do in the 14/15 range...lol

All it really takes is money. 12s are easy w/money. The knowledge is already there.

I would say this would be a fair equation of 12s for a DSM:
3" exhaust - $450
SAFC - $300
TMO Mods - $300
16g - $600
FMIC - $500 w/o pipes - $750 w/them
Big injectors - ?
Big Fuel pump - ?
Sticky tires - $800

See? It's not hard mods or terribly difficult projects...it's the fact that it's over $3k worth of stuff. I'd rather just stay in the 13s and use the money for other things
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Old 10-31-2001, 02:32 PM   #5
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boostin... I know DSM's. I think you know that.

To me, in my opinion, that's quite a bit of work. Talk to Leon, running LOW 12's is much different from running high 12's. Mike Rizziotti has had a FWD in the 12's for a long time.

Look at Donnells car on that page above. That's a crap load of work done to it. That car, with those mods, only ran low 13's. Heck, when I had my FWD AT Turbo Talon, I had a K&N, Buschur 2.5" DP, Thermal R&D 3" Cat back, Fuel Pump, 1st gen BOV, plugs and wires, and I still ran a 14.6. Again, that was an Automatic FWD with practically minimal mods! Cars running that same setup in Manual form were in the low 14's, high 13's! With all that Donnell has done on the car, it should be in the mid 12's, again without the nitrous.

Injectors... 550's can be had cheap, like $75 I believe.
Fuel Pumps around $140.

Anyone can go fast if you have the $$.

I don't see why any DSM'er needs to run Nitrous when parts are plenty available to build a 12 second car... cheaply, without fear of blowing engine internals. The tranny however is a different story.

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Old 10-31-2001, 02:46 PM   #6
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KC,

Did you check this guy Donnell out? Does he have a rep in the DSM circles?
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Old 10-31-2001, 02:55 PM   #7
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Dunno, have to check out at home. But I did just have a hearty laugh.

You do the math here... On the home page it says: "Joe has finally got his Talon up and running and is fine tuning it. We will have complete specs and time slips up soon but for now check out the pictures of this Beast and its 500+hp engine!"

You click on the picture... and here's what it's got....

2.0 DOHC
Custom Turbo Ported and Clipped
HKS External Wastegate
APEXi SAFC Fuel Computer
Custom Spearco Front Mount Intercooler
Ported 95 Exhaust Manifold
Greddy Type S Blow Off Valve
ARP Head Studs
Modified MAS Air Flow Meter
Removed Balance Shaft

Best 1/4 mile time: 14.3

(remember, I ran a 14.6 with an Automatic FWD with Downpipe/catback/K&N/plugs/wirtes/fuel pump/1st gen BOV only)

Umm if that car's making 500 HP, then my WRX is about 475 HP.

Granted the specs may possibly not be updated on his web page, but if it's 500 HP, then it's a high 11 second car.

The only way I trust HP calculations is if the car is dynoed. There's now an AWD dyno in MA, so I think it's time for some people to start coming up tot he plate with their numbers.

He's in business to make cars look fast and I'm not going to knock him. He may indeed have some fast cars hes done. His web site doesn't showcase them tho in a 'proof' sense.

Edit: Maybe I should do his web site and update it for him with time slips? I wouldn't mind.

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Old 10-31-2001, 03:02 PM   #8
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Just to throw this out...there is a 1G Eclipse up at NED that pulls 11's consistently. This car has full interior, roll cage, and is daily driven.
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KC, isnt Rizzotti's AWD?
Greg is the FWD one, right?
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Old 10-31-2001, 03:19 PM   #10
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Just to throw this out...there is a 1G Eclipse up at NED that pulls 11's consistently. This car has full interior, roll cage, and is daily driven.

If it's red that's probably Mike Rizzotti's. If it's green, it's probably Leon Reitman's.

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Old 10-31-2001, 03:21 PM   #11
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OOps always get those two mixed up. Yes, it's GREGS car that HAD been stuck in the 12's for about 2-3 years.

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Old 10-31-2001, 03:24 PM   #12
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It's red!
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Old 10-31-2001, 03:25 PM   #13
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Pete, that's the 'Leon' that I refer to. Let's see...

He drag races that car in 11's.
He auto-xes it at BMW events (or used to anyways)
He participates in Spectator Drags at Seekonk Speedway
When it's not being worked on, it's a daily driver.

There is one car in NE that's relatively unknown that's about to turn some heads. How about a Starion with a DSM motor that does 9's??

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Skinny white dude with glasses??
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I think you mixed them up too Keith. The red on is Mike's.
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Yep, that's Mike Rizzotti.
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Old 10-31-2001, 03:35 PM   #17
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About the tuner in RI and locally. There's really only a handful of import tuners here in new england that have made a name for themselves. If you hang out where cars go fast (other than street races) you hear their names over, over and over again.

Also, you hear about them on the net through user groups. Some shops don't believe in the net and do things the way they want to as they see fit, and some DO claim outrageous HP numbers just to impress people. If there's a 500 HP WRX floating around in RI, chances are, we'd have seen it at a meet or at a track, or others would have seen it around. They're in business to make money any way they know how. Claims of unproven numbers down't work with me, but work well with others. Gee these car's LOOK fast so they gotta be on the level!

DSM's are more popular and are a favorite CHEAP car to make go fast. (You can get a '91 AWD DSM for about $3K now, drop $K in mods and do 12's all day long, street legal). With the sheer numbers that are available and the way some people are, they do math this way... "K&N - 15 HP, Down pipe 10 hp, exhaust 20 hp, turbo 100hp, front mount 20 hp" and then they add up the numbers.

In actuality, once you start mixing parts, the individual numbers start to change, they sort of start blending together and sum of the whole is much less than the sum of the parts, hp wise.

I would beware of companies who say they have a 'xxx' hp car if 1) it hasn't been dynoed, or 2) it hasn't run on a measured 1/4. (Soetimes you can take the weight and time, do some math, and get a ball-park figure on HP... it's somewhere on the net).

Yes, this sort of stuff kinda does bug me. Why? I hate hearing about fast cars, then meet the people, and they come up with about 12 excuses why they weren't fast or had an off day "But it really is 500hp in there!".

I want to see this WRX that is 500 hp. I want to see these DSM's that are stupid fast.

Again, I'm NOT DENYING they exist. Just that in some circles I hang around in, I would have heard about them by now.

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Yeah, I have seen the same REd DSm that Pete has seen, and his name it Mike. That car for sure exists, and runs in the high 11's if I remember correctly.

Besides this car, two other cars at NED have amazed me this year:

A small block Chevy/NOS kit car (Ferrari) that ran a 10.2 on DOT tires!!

A Twin Turbo Lifinger (however you spell it) Corvette that ran 11.2 on skinny DOT tires. I could not believe it was even at the track!

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OOps always get those two mixed up. Yes, it's GREGS car that HAD been stuck in the 12's for about 2-3 years.

--kC
As in Greg Bedard? I went to school with that guy. He had a couple talons and I heard he had a FWD one that put out sick power. Guess it might be true

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What a small world!!
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Old 10-31-2001, 07:57 PM   #22
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Yes, it's GREGS car that HAD been stuck in the 12's for about 2-3 years.

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Hehe, pardon me.. but how does one get "stuck" in the 12's?


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Old 10-31-2001, 08:03 PM   #23
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You get stuck because there are some things thaty were tried without spending bocoup $$ to try and get into the 11's.

Try, try again... stuck and couldn't get it done. But he has I believe now.

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Hehe... "Oh damn I ONLY drive a 12 second, clutch burning, Z06 spanking, AWD monster. pity me."

I'll take a 12sec car thankyouverymuch

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AND it's FWD, not AWD. Change your mind?
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