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Old 09-07-2006, 03:04 PM   #1
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Default Dealer says my new tires will hit my coilovers I need some help.

I am running tein basic coilovers and 17x8 rims. I have on the car now 225 45 17. I purchased a set of 245 40 17 to go on there but the dealer just called me and said that they would hit the coilovers. I thought you could run that size. I'm not sure the exact offset is but I bought them from Subydude and what ever offset was being sold for my car was what I bought. By the way they are Rota Torque's. Need some advice. I want to use these but if I can't then I guess I can't I'm going to search some more now but if anyone has some info please drop some info. Oh and the tire are AVS ES100.
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Old 09-07-2006, 03:09 PM   #2
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How much room do you need? 5mm spacer?
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Old 09-07-2006, 03:11 PM   #3
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I dont' know he just now called me. If I went with a spacer would that mess up anything? Would I still have enough thread on my lug bolts to safely mount them to the car?
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Old 09-07-2006, 03:21 PM   #4
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Some people hate spacers and claim they are the devil, yet many people use them effectively even in racing applications.

TireRack offers this chart

Size of Bolt or Stud Number of Turns
14x1.5mm --------------7.5
12x1.5mm --------------6.5
12x1.25mm---------------8
1/2"--------------------- 8
7/16"-------------------- 8

How many turns you will be able to get is hard to say because thickness of hub face at the lugs and offset are not necessarily related. But as long as you can hit the minimum amount of turns I wouldn't have a problem with using spacers.
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Old 09-07-2006, 03:28 PM   #5
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Ya know I just did some searching on the rims size and tire size and it looks like alot of people are doing this. Some of the guys say you might have to roll the rear fenders but never say anything about them rubbing the coilovers. And my offset I believe is 48 mm. I'm getting ready to go down there and see whats up.
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Old 09-07-2006, 04:33 PM   #6
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Ya know I just did some searching on the rims size and tire size and it looks like alot of people are doing this. Some of the guys say you might have to roll the rear fenders but never say anything about them rubbing the coilovers. And my offset I believe is 48 mm. I'm getting ready to go down there and see whats up.
Guess its your coilovers...I run 48 offset 8.5" wheels with 255's....no rubbing...
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Old 09-07-2006, 06:12 PM   #7
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Unless there is something weird about Tein Basics, that should not rub. If it does, it may be as simple as some camber bolts in the rear to pull the top of the tire away.
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Old 09-07-2006, 08:20 PM   #8
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Yeah, I would think it would be more about ride height than the specific coilover brand. I have Tein Flexes and have no problem fitting 245/45 17s. What's your ride height? I would think that you'd only run into problems if you were slammed. Which dealer are you working with? Bob Dunn?
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Old 09-08-2006, 06:24 AM   #9
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Yeah the Bob Dunn Subaru Jaguar place on Wendover. I looked at what the guy was talking about and bottom of the spring perch is so close to the inside of the tire I can only get the tip of my finger between them(this is the 225 45 17). If I tried to put these tires(245 40 17) on they would just sit against that piece of metal and would destroy the tire soon as I moved the car. I don't think the car is real low but probably lower than some of the guys. I think I will try and raise it up a little this weekend and see if that would help. If not it looks like I will be trying to exchange them with Tire Rack. But man those tires look good hope I can get them to work.
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Old 09-08-2006, 07:00 AM   #10
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I ran 245/45-17 NT-01's and the front perch was about 2mm from the tire. Maybe a little less. I say, get the car up on jackstands, mount the tires, tighten the lugs a little so the wheel is seated properly, and see how much space you have. Get up under the car with a flashlight and look up. You'll be able to tell a lot better how close they are. Did the dealer actually do this, were they just speculating?
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Old 09-08-2006, 08:26 AM   #11
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See thats the thing he just put it on the lift and saw how wide the tires were and the space that was available and said they were not going to fit. I don't have any aftermarket camber adjustment. I was wondering if I had too much neg. camber maybe. Its not wearing the inside of the tires so I don't know about that.
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See thats the thing he just put it on the lift and saw how wide the tires were and the space that was available and said they were not going to fit. I don't have any aftermarket camber adjustment. I was wondering if I had too much neg. camber maybe. Its not wearing the inside of the tires so I don't know about that.
Then do what I said. When I had my Bilsteins it was really close too. Only way I could get a good feel for how close was to do just what I said. Mount the tire and look up from under the car to see exactly how close it was. I bet you'll fit with a couple mm to spare.
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The guy I talked down there is real cool. Maybe I can get him to do it with out charging me too much.
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You can't do it yourself?
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I don't have a tire mounting machine. I don't work for a tire place. If so I would have done that already.lol
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I know both of the Subaru techs that work there (only two, since it's primarily a Jaguar dealership). I've done most of my work with Jeff, but the other guy knows even more, according to Jeff.

Jeff is also a pretty quick autocrosser and knows suspension like no other, so if he can't find a solution, no one can.
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I talked to Patrick at Boxer 4, they will be doing some work on my car next week. He said alot of people are running that size wheel and tire. And that maybe a 2mm spacer would help. I told him to go ahead and send me 4 just incase. But I'm thinking since the tire being wider was the problem and I will be going to a 40 series from 45 then the sidewall will be shorter and may clear the spring perch. I think I'm going to get them to mount the back two tires and see what happens. Yeah Jeff does most of the work on my car when it goes up there. I like talking to him, really good guy.
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Yeah I'm gonna have to raise the car a inch probably. Looked at it today at the dealer and it was barely touching the part on the coilovers that you adjust with the wrenches.
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AVS ES100 is a very square tire meaning the patch and side wall almost makes a 90 degree angle.

Even with the above info, I don't see how anyone can say for sure by looknig at your combination and say it won't fit. It could be close but unless you mount the wheel and tire with your coliovers, it's not an exact science you can punch into a calculator and say yey or ney.

Coilovers can have a thicker housing but shouldn't be that much thicker to come in contact. What camber are you running?
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