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Old 06-10-2012, 07:56 PM   #3526
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v9 have the slot. they honestly prob just throw one on the pallet and call it a day.
most vendors ship the tmic in a ****ty way. mine had a hole and he paid me to ship it back and shipped me another which was not the best but it worked while i had it.
Is it true that the slot is there, to more evenly direct airflow from the Y-pipe?
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:07 PM   #3527
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I think the slot was a late GDB Spec C feature, V9 to be more clear.
But I have to check the part numbers.
Meanwhile, there was a thread here 3-4 years ago, at the time the GRB intercooler wad discussed (which btw, has the slot), where someone posted diagrams to compare OEM intercooler sizes.
The diagrams looked a lot like they came from a factory brochure.
Search for that, your answers may be there...
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:29 PM   #3528
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well in general it will help seperate the air flow to bias both sides more evenly. i went w/ a 08 sti tmic which is even larger.
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:51 PM   #3529
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Ken,
I went ahead and did the killer B pickup - small insurance for a beautiful engine! I'd do it since you've already got it out....

How are you handling the 32bit DBW conversion? I thought that was a swap that required the entire engine and chassis harness....?

Hopefully they'll reimburse you for the IC, mine actually showed up without a freakin' bent fin, I was really surprised.

Are you going to run the vf36? or do you have plans to go bigger?
this has been done with out doing the wiring harness swap. ask me how i know! ken is being shown the way and we are now in the works of converting the jdm mani to dbw. i have one at the shop getting a flange welded to it so it can be rotated as im still runing tmic for now.

and btw i love my v9 207, i thought it was gonna make me hate life after switching from my ej257 and fpgreen ewg but hell no i love the 207! especially with the 1.2 bar wastegate acutator. that made a huge differences up top.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:04 PM   #3530
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spun a bearing this weekend. I did a total of four laps.

Curious to see what caused this.

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Old 06-11-2012, 01:47 PM   #3531
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spun a bearing this weekend. I did a total of four laps.

Curious to see what caused this.

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that sucks, which oil pan style did you have? Several other members in the thread had that happen in high g situations.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:50 PM   #3532
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that sucks, which oil pan style did you have? Several other members in the thread had that happen in high g situations.
factory regular oil pan...

it was brand new.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:25 PM   #3533
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I pulled my intake manifold because I'm replacing my wiring harness on my 207. I need to order IM gaskets... or should I go with the Grimmspeed Phenolic spacers? Any reason to go 8mm over 3mm if I go that route? Do the 8mm spacers create hood clearance issues with the single piece manifold? Thoughts?

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Old 06-11-2012, 02:44 PM   #3534
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I pulled my intake manifold because I'm replacing my wiring harness on my 207. I need to order IM gaskets... or should I go with the Grimmspeed Phenolic spacers? Any reason to go 8mm over 3mm if I go that route? Do the 8mm spacers create hood clearance issues with the single piece manifold? Thoughts?

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Rule of thumb is 3mm for TMIC and 8mm for FMIC.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:00 PM   #3535
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factory regular oil pan...

it was brand new.
by style i meant the early 205 style pan or USDM STi style pan?

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I pulled my intake manifold because I'm replacing my wiring harness on my 207. I need to order IM gaskets... or should I go with the Grimmspeed Phenolic spacers? Any reason to go 8mm over 3mm if I go that route? Do the 8mm spacers create hood clearance issues with the single piece manifold? Thoughts?

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I don't see how you can go wrong with oem gaskets or the spacers. Important part is to torque to spec. IIRC there was a thread in the general 2.0L forum mentioning the 8mm spacers give additional head room if you want to rotate your manifold.

perhaps a tuner can chime if the spacers help make any power. I doubt it, since any moving air will have no time to absorb heat from the manifold before entering the throttlebody.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:10 PM   #3536
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by style i meant the early 205 style pan or USDM STi style pan?

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It was a wrx 2.0L pan.

I'm taking it apart on thursday, should have pics and more info then. Man I'm glad i work at a Subaru dealer, and have the greatest staff ever.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:29 PM   #3537
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Amroof,
Sounds like you guys have it figured out.
Why did he decide to go ej207? I thought he was almost done with his wagon!
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:21 PM   #3538
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the 8mm are good if you rotate your IM so the pipe clears the alternator. you can always get a shorter belt by a cm or two so your alternator will sit lower when the belt is under tension as well.

phenolic spacers do wonders in helping keep the IM temps down. although the air is in the IM for very little time every bit helps. also dont forget mpgs will also go down slightly because colder air atomizes fuel less so low idc will cause the fuel to burn less efficienty. you might not even notice it and its for a different thread anyways.

as far as gaskets go you cant go wrong with ultra grey rtv. i use it for everything on the top. i pressurized my ej205 after i did it from throttle body down to the heads and it held 35psi no problem. i boost leak test in parts to localize any small leaks. then do a final one to make sure the few fittings i put together dont leak either. i am kind anal about this stuff esp when i dont want to waste a bit of air the vf37 is pushing.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:24 PM   #3539
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that sucks, which oil pan style did you have? Several other members in the thread had that happen in high g situations.
if you autox your car or road coarse it and have high G situations you need a sti style oil pan w/ upgraded pickup tube. then when the engine is cold fill it to the hot mark notch. the little extra oil helps since the oil return flow sucks in these engines even when its hot.

sorry she blew but its bound to happen to someone.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:11 PM   #3540
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phenolic spacers do wonders in helping keep the IM temps down. although the air is in the IM for very little time every bit helps. also dont forget mpgs will also go down slightly because colder air atomizes fuel less so low idc will cause the fuel to burn less efficienty. you might not even notice it and its for a different thread anyways.
Not to mention the IM transfers heat to the TMIC which will see a benefit from lower temps.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:13 PM   #3541
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if you autox your car or road coarse it and have high G situations you need a sti style oil pan w/ upgraded pickup tube. then when the engine is cold fill it to the hot mark notch. the little extra oil helps since the oil return flow sucks in these engines even when its hot.

sorry she blew but its bound to happen to someone.
tell me about it.

888's, cusco, fully braced = lots of g's.

You think it's the cause for the engine failure ?
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:46 PM   #3542
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how was the oil level and what kind did you use before hitting the track? did the oil light ever come on?
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:38 PM   #3543
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oil light comes on at like 3 psi so its useless. you need a diff oil gauge in the system somewere with a loud warning noise or bright light so you know you have a problem. if you lost oil pressure/lub to the rod bearings then yeah it could have caused a bearing to spin around. i have seen it happen on a ej205 going up a hill cruising because he was like 3/4 qt low on oil. it all went to the back of the pan and sucked up some air and **** happened quickly.

as far as temps from TB to tmic transfer if you dont let the two metal surfaces touch inside the silicone/rubber coupler its almost a none issue. rubber doesnt like to transfer heat that well thankfully! it is a valid point though!
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:49 PM   #3544
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you need a diff oil gauge in the system somewhere with a loud warning noise or bright light so you know you have a problem.
I always wonder why a gauge/sensor like that, isn't already standard equipment in vehicles.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:49 PM   #3545
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The spacers do nothing for performance and make no hp Dan. Some brands leak like crazy.

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by style i meant the early 205 style pan or USDM STi style pan?



I don't see how you can go wrong with oem gaskets or the spacers. Important part is to torque to spec. IIRC there was a thread in the general 2.0L forum mentioning the 8mm spacers give additional head room if you want to rotate your manifold.

perhaps a tuner can chime if the spacers help make any power. I doubt it, since any moving air will have no time to absorb heat from the manifold before entering the throttlebody.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:58 PM   #3546
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RTV^ have never had any local cars i have worked on leak thus far!
but as far as hp it will make none but instead add a safety barrier against heat soak which promotes knock. the iat sensor in the maf cant read post IC temps so if its heat soaked from radiant heat it wont know. so keeping the IM cooler will help keep the air cooler and thus is a nice safe guard against knock events after sitting at idle or what have you. in an optimal situation you could tune a bit more timing if the intake temps dropped from the lower IM temps but since its never going to be the same you dont tune for it.

kinda the same thing with a turbo blanket. you dont tune for the lesser heat soak into the tmic of fmic pipes but its nice to keep the temps down!
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A turbo blanket helps alot. It keeps a tremendous about of heat from the engine bay/pipes or TMIC. But the spacers really do not do much. What you might not be thinking about is when you space the manifold up like that, The manifold and engine now expand at different rates. Now the gasket gets alot of stress back and forth as the motor expands and warms up. Eventualy, they leak. Its a matter of time.

I have seen tons of leaks from certain brands. Since I am a vender, Its against the rules to list what brands I do not like and flaws.

The tell tale oil around the seal is easy to spot. One thing you can do is to space the header tank off the manifold with 10 cent fiber washers. That tank runs 200F avg and puts heat directly into that side of the runners. Simple cheap fiber washers stop that.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:46 AM   #3548
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oil light comes on at like 3 psi so its useless.
totally right, but it would point wrick in the right direction to the cause.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:56 AM   #3549
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I think the slot was a late GDB Spec C feature, V9 to be more clear.
But I have to check the part numbers.
Meanwhile, there was a thread here 3-4 years ago, at the time the GRB intercooler wad discussed (which btw, has the slot), where someone posted diagrams to compare OEM intercooler sizes.
The diagrams looked a lot like they came from a factory brochure.
Search for that, your answers may be there...
There is no special intercooler for Spec C or the S cars, but V9 get a revised intercooler, that should be the one with the slot.
V7 have a different one and V8 have a different one as well. The V8 may be slightly bigger in volume.
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Oil was redline 10w40

I honestly did about 8 minutes of hard driving. Nothing to call your mom about. Regular dino oil wouldn't of killed the engine in so little time. Type of oil is not our issue here. I'Ve seen hundreds of subaru's and this is def rod knock. A bearing went. Pistons are OK.

Not a single drop of oil missing. Oil was changed hours prior to tracking.

Taking it apart right now actually.
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