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Old 07-22-2012, 05:18 PM   #3776
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never really looking into that but didnt think it was a huge deal either... i just set my thresholds for when the primary turned on like 8* cooler than stock so it doesnt come close to overheating to stupid high temps in traffic.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:20 PM   #3777
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.... If your running it hard with the factory tune from Japan, so far everyone says its not a good idea... especially to be in boost unless you have the right gas in the tank
heres what i found. with our 93 in wisconsin some of which has e10 blend. actually almost all of them do i took my rom and changed a few things. first of which combined the base timing and adv map and then made the adv map flat. took 2* out. it never knocked under wot 18psi. since then i have misplaced my stock rom but i am pretty sure with what i got its not knockign and i am close to stock timing. have a better tmic and thermal protection all around though than stock.

best option is always get tuned though since all cars are different.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:35 PM   #3778
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.... If your running it hard with the factory tune from Japan, so far everyone says its not a good idea... especially to be in boost unless you have the right gas in the tank
Let me translate my post for you. "I already know to get a tune but have other issues that I'm haven't identified that would prevent me from getting a doing so".
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:35 PM   #3779
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Call me stupid, noob, or whatever but I can't find my Engine Number (EJ20*******) Anywhere. I have the number from by the tranny bell housing and the stamp from the alternator but I can't verify with 207 I have. Anyone shine a little bit of light? Google has been retarded and pointing me to cars101.com and yahoo answers.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:39 PM   #3780
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Call me stupid, noob, or whatever but I can't find my Engine Number (EJ20*******) Anywhere. I have the number from by the tranny bell housing and the stamp from the alternator but I can't verify with 207 I have. Anyone shine a little bit of light? Google has been retarded and pointing me to cars101.com and yahoo answers.
The engine number is sticker on the bottom of the timing covers.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:51 PM   #3781
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damn, its on the bottom of the passenger side isn't it? Mine is gone......... well, I guess I'll never know lol. Thanks for the reply though!!!!!
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:32 PM   #3782
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damn, its on the bottom of the passenger side isn't it? Mine is gone......... well, I guess I'll never know lol. Thanks for the reply though!!!!!
No worries, yeah some people don't have the stickers. Just look for other things on the engine, manifold/turbo/heads/ECU etc to help confirm the engine.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:22 PM   #3783
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so on that killer b kit you got a good picture of were the turb actually mounts? i found a bunch of youtube video's but nothing real good. either way looks expensive as ****.
twinscroll eat your heart out

this shows how the exhaust is routed to go over the engine cradle



90-90 right from turbo outlet to fmic.....super short



hidden cai protected from the elements (id still def throw a sock on it)



bottom shot showing it in relation to subframe



there it is hidden. this fmic cold pipe is coming out the TOP of the fmic not being routed all over the place like a normal behind the fog light around under and up kit



there it is cant miss it





cuts out like 10' of boosted piping compared to a normal rotated/fmic kit lol.....

and the oil filter gets relocated


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Old 07-22-2012, 08:29 PM   #3784
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i thought up one two friends have used on there cars that takes out about 6 ft of intercooler piping. got to run the intake mani reversed but can do it forward as well but only takes off 5' instead of the 6/6.5'.

i would assume the killer b setup will be a ton of cash anyways so i dont see many being able to use it.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:56 PM   #3785
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yeah. gunna be $5 grand....but with the stuff it comes with personally i can at least sell off quite a bit to recoup costs.

"Our base kit includes:

-Header (321SS)
-Up-Pipe
-Down-Pipe
-WG Dump Tube
-Up-Pipe Mounting Bracket
-Front Mount Intercooler
-Bumper Beam
-Radiator
-Upper Radiator Support
-Lower Radiator Support"


so i (and most people will have some of this) can sell some components
-aluminum rad
-aps 725 fmic (wayyy oversized for my dinky e3 16g -- but i was thinking of the future when i went rotated)
-current turbo
-ewg up pipe
-grimmspeed pnp manifolds/x-pipe
-invidia dp

"The GTX3071 so far has proven to be a great choice, even at low boost on the stock block. With this setup the low end responsiveness is very similar the the VF39 with full boost coming ~3,900RPMs on the dyno and a bit lower on the street. On our roadtrip to the Wicked Big Meet I was seeing full boost by 3,000RPMs in 5th/6th on the highway. The streetability is excellent."

the kit is designed around a gtx3071r so it seems absolutely perfect for the 207



they said the tested it and rotating the manifold only cuts 10" and nets 2% efficiency


i dont care i want a damn rotated mani LOL
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:32 PM   #3786
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Is that $5000 price tag including the turbo? And the blow off valve? And the waste gates?

If not, that $5000 will be $8000 before you know it. The parts you listed to recoup costs will only net you maybe $2500.

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Old 07-22-2012, 09:49 PM   #3787
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the $5k includes only what is listed here

"Our base kit includes:

-Header (321SS)
-Up-Pipe
-Down-Pipe
-WG Dump Tube
-Up-Pipe Mounting Bracket
-Front Mount Intercooler
-Bumper Beam
-Radiator
-Upper Radiator Support
-Lower Radiator Support"

and yup i know. i have a wg. i can sell my bov for a nicer tial unit. my tax returns are like 4000 that would go straight into this

with that kit i would consider my car as close to complete as possible.....i mean with this 207 engine im gunna get the only things left on my car that are stock are the door panels and the seats lol
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:41 PM   #3788
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so another 1000 for the turbo plus 350 for the vband wastegate? i personally dont see many of these selling. its a nice setup but with so much R&D the prices are just too high for the average market. race teams will prob look into it though. then again they like free stuff from sponsors.

also being that its prob only oil cooled the oil is going to drain out the bottom of the turbo and get back to the engine how?
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:45 PM   #3789
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The Legacies GT have had the low mounts factory since 2009.
They have a really nice spool.
I'm reading that a different oil pan is needed for that.
When you look at that setup, it looks very self-contained. I wonder if the ECU controls the scavenge pump via a table.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:24 AM   #3790
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Hey guys!

With regards to the other comments on tuning the ej207, how difficult would it be to self Open source tune it? I'm pretty tech savvy and want the challenge. Also I hear that you need a tune for both the JDM and USDM ecu and that can get pricey.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:52 AM   #3791
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Yes, the few times when you're using the USDM ECU, it had better be tuned to run your engine, as well as to not ... complaint about anything, via any code.
Buy a tactrix cable and read on romraider, as well as on Nasioc in the Open Source forum.
The guys there are nice enough to answer reasonable questions.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:24 AM   #3792
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so another 1000 for the turbo plus 350 for the vband wastegate? i personally dont see many of these selling. its a nice setup but with so much R&D the prices are just too high for the average market. race teams will prob look into it though. then again they like free stuff from sponsors.

also being that its prob only oil cooled the oil is going to drain out the bottom of the turbo and get back to the engine how?
There's a scavenge pump


There's plenty of people with a full race setup...people will buy it. Myself included


Anyways 2 days til I have the funding to buy my ej207

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Old 07-23-2012, 12:43 PM   #3793
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Can some of you experienced guys pm me email address so I can forward an email with pics of the v8 engine I'm being offered

One of the timing covers is busted but its got plenty of pics of all the cam gears they look fine

...engine also has a prova oil cap greddy rad cap (weird that it doesn't say trust) and a tee for a boost guage as well as a sandwich adapter for oil gauges.


Just want some input on it
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:53 PM   #3794
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I am pretty close to pulling the trigger on a v8 ej207 as well. Should I be concerned about one that came with an after market DP... meaning the ECU most likely has a tune and could be 'locked' by something like ECUTek??
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:01 PM   #3795
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hmmm its hit or miss. it could be tuned but then again i dont see most that are tuned being for sale so it could have been a DP just thrown on and never tuned. its a crap shoot like we all say. unless they show a compression test make sure they have a warranty that covers a bad engine. when mine came the tmic was damaged so they sent me a new one after i sent that one back. they even paid shipping both ways. i would assume whoever you are buying from would do the same if the ecu was shot. its prob worth it then because you dont have to spend 300 bucks on a different downpipe. length might be a bit off but you can get a few inches of pipe welded at a shop.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:34 PM   #3796
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I made it clear I wanted NO aftermarket parts or rather, no engine that had been modified. My vendor assured me that was the case and then proceeded to send me about 30 pictures and 2 videos. Motor arrived in perfect condition. As clean as I could possibly imagine a used motor being. I mean it looks brand new.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:37 PM   #3797
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hmmm its hit or miss. it could be tuned but then again i dont see most that are tuned being for sale so it could have been a DP just thrown on and never tuned. its a crap shoot like we all say. unless they show a compression test make sure they have a warranty that covers a bad engine. when mine came the tmic was damaged so they sent me a new one after i sent that one back. they even paid shipping both ways. i would assume whoever you are buying from would do the same if the ecu was shot. its prob worth it then because you dont have to spend 300 bucks on a different downpipe. length might be a bit off but you can get a few inches of pipe welded at a shop.
Yeah, I agree.. and that $300 could go towards something else.. like a new clutch and killer B oil pickup. I am lucky in the sense that I have two local vendors within 10 minutes drive. One of them has two v8 and a v9 currently... that I personally went to the warehouse and checked out. Need to go one more time and see if either one is a Spec C/ VF36 equipped!

Oh... and do you know how many extra inches I need to weld up to the JDM length DP? Interesting thing is, I actually have a stock JDM midpipe (longer than US one), that I can use... but it's only 2" in diameter. Not sure if that'll kill the flow, as my current catback/ axleback is 3".

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Old 07-23-2012, 07:28 PM   #3798
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it will destroy flow. get rid of it. you might need to cut a few inches. i always forget which it is. cut or add pipe.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:47 PM   #3799
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I made it clear I wanted NO aftermarket parts or rather, no engine that had been modified. My vendor assured me that was the case and then proceeded to send me about 30 pictures and 2 videos. Motor arrived in perfect condition. As clean as I could possibly imagine a used motor being. I mean it looks brand new.
Which vendor?
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