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Old 09-21-2012, 02:27 PM   #4226
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put the wrx one on for now. they are all dumb and screw the tmic up by not protecting it. very common problem. now that you have to make a fedex claim they will take the whole engine back as a whole package and pay you off. if the seller did not insure it for the full amount, which is what i would find out first, then you only get what he insured it for. if he didnt insure it then you get 100 dollars so no point in making a claim. could always file a claim with paypal to get the seller motivated to work with you. nothings worse than you filing a claim with paypal and sending it to claims. then they get the entire amount of money withheld from there account.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:27 PM   #4227
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Got the engine in and car up and running. Have a CEL and took it to Autozone to get it read... their scanner wouldn't link up to the JDM ECU. Luckily the O'reilly accross the road was able to pull it for me. Turns out it's P0031... "HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank1 Sensor1)". Is it talking about the front O2 sensor?

I reused both my WRX O2 sensors... although the front one looked slightly bent, but it never threw a code with the old setup. TIA for input!
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:38 PM   #4228
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put the wrx one on for now. they are all dumb and screw the tmic up by not protecting it. very common problem. now that you have to make a fedex claim they will take the whole engine back as a whole package and pay you off. if the seller did not insure it for the full amount, which is what i would find out first, then you only get what he insured it for. if he didnt insure it then you get 100 dollars so no point in making a claim. could always file a claim with paypal to get the seller motivated to work with you. nothings worse than you filing a claim with paypal and sending it to claims. then they get the entire amount of money withheld from there account.
well if i put it in the car its kinda hard to send it back as the whole engine hah. im hoping he fully insured it.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:25 PM   #4229
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Got the engine in and car up and running. Have a CEL and took it to Autozone to get it read... their scanner wouldn't link up to the JDM ECU. Luckily the O'reilly accross the road was able to pull it for me. Turns out it's P0031... "HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank1 Sensor1)". Is it talking about the front O2 sensor?

I reused both my WRX O2 sensors... although the front one looked slightly bent, but it never threw a code with the old setup. TIA for input!
thats a front o2 code, double check if it didn't get grounded out against the chassis. You might be able to salvage it. Often they get damaged while putting the engine in.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:50 PM   #4230
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thats a front o2 code, double check if it didn't get grounded out against the chassis. You might be able to salvage it. Often they get damaged while putting the engine in.
Cool... thanks for the tip man. This is the one that plugs in at the mouth of the twinscroll downpipe, right? If so.. we had it unplugged, and only put it in after the DP was installed onto the new engine... so pretty sure it wasn't physically damaged. From what I understand the USDM WRX O2 sensor is supposed to work fine with the v8 ej207... the JDM one had the wires cut, so obviously couldn't be used. Wonder how much one of these are new
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:01 PM   #4231
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well if i put it in the car its kinda hard to send it back as the whole engine hah. im hoping he fully insured it.


see thats the catch. you CAN NOT return partial shipment. its all or nothing. so if you cant give them the engine back and whatever else was on the pallet then forget making a claim. you file paperwork. they schedule a time to pick it ALL up and then takes like two weeks for processing. No matter the outcome you get a letter in the mail. its a dear XXXX we are sorry we couldnt offer you the claim because XXXXX or they will send a check. if they send you the sorry its because its packed like **** letter the pallet will then get returned to the location you choose.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:56 AM   #4232
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So I need some advice from fellow EJ207 owners.

I'm stuck at a crossroad here. I am very torn between swapping over my single scroll setup from my EJ205 or keep the twin scroll VF37 with the new V8 engine.

This will be tuned on E85 for daily, and a backup 91 tune for emergencies.

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SSAC FMIC that im scraping and going to go back to running the sti top mount.

I'm pretty sure thats all the relevant mods. I'm torn between using the V8 twinscroll setup. I know the EVO 3 isnt a whole lot bigger than the vf37. I know they will both run out of breath up top as well. Swapping my setup over would leave me with a complete JDM twinscroll setup that I could resell, and would not require me hacking into my current downpipe. Also much more turbo options if/when I decide to go with a 20g down the road, which would obviously need larger injectors with E85.


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Stock twinscroll VF37 with stock manifold/up pipe setup using IWG

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EVO316G with Coated Grimmspeed up pipe and 38mm EWG

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Old 09-22-2012, 01:26 PM   #4233
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I'm in the same boat.....I've installed my vf34 and I'm very happy with it, I hit full boost (19lbs) and its a great daily driver.
I'm still trying to decide if I should go vf37...most have said it wouldn't be worth the trouble (though Iq already have everyhing except the downpipe.)
Quick spool and low end are important to me, so if I thought the difference would be noticeable I'd do it, but most have said it probably wouldn't be that noticeable.

If you decide to do it, let us know your impressions.

I've decided to wait until I can get a vf36 or vf36 hotside to swap onto my vf34. Then I think its got to make a difference.

Let us know what you decide to do.
Either way I think you'll be very happy with your setup, sounds very well put together. I would think the 850's would be enough for the vf37, not sure the evo 3 would be enough on corn.

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Old 09-22-2012, 01:54 PM   #4234
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Honestly... I wouldnt swap over. The upgrade to a version 8 with stock 37 is worth it. If anything I'd stay with the stock setup. Keep the parts around from the old setup just in case. Honestly you won't miss it. Since both turbos mentioned arent "big" turbos.

If anything. It would be worth investing money on a twin scroll header and down pipe so the engine can breath.

If after you still need the upgrade... I'd sell the old turbo (keeping the fuel upgrades) and get a bigger twin scroll setup.

There is a reason why the version 8 had a twin scroll setup vs the single scroll of previous versions.

No sense in doing the version 8 swap of you're going to use single scroll
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:07 PM   #4235
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Infek,
Have you run single scroll and twin scroll back to back? If so, what were your driving impressions from one to the other?
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:18 PM   #4236
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Have you run single scroll and twin scroll back to back? If so, what were your driving impressions from one to the other?
My friend has a version 8 engine here and I have a version 7 with a 30r on it. Hard to compare. The power delivery is different. The AVCS is also different as well. Would I change. Probably not cause this engine belongs in this chassis and all forged internals are nice (I'm retarded like that. LOL).

Would I do twin scroll on my version 7. Hell yeah. If I could find something big enough that wouldn't kill the wallet too much. Thoughts of a 35r twin scroll have crossed my mind a lot.

I've only had a short time in it do I can't really give a good review. I gotta go drive it again. I wonder if my friend would let me drive it again. Lol. There are two as of right now that are driving here. One in a GC And the other in a bugeye wagon. It's been years since I've driven it so I'll need a refresh. Lol

(bugeye wagon) Version 8 + stock twin scroll setup (exhaust, down pipe, intake I think) against a ej257 with gt3076 (05 STI) and both were pretty evenly matched. The twin scroll still stayed in front. The STI owner was quite impressed that he wasn't pulling on the bugeye owner. It's how the power is delivered. I believe AMS turned the version 8 setup and the 05 STI setup. No numbers though from the dyno.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:22 PM   #4237
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My friend has a version 8 engine here and I have a version 7 with a 30r on it. Hard to compare. The power delivery is different. The AVCS is also different as well. Would I change. Probably not cause this engine belongs in this chassis and all forged internals are nice (I'm retarded like that. LOL).

Would I do twin scroll on my version 7. Hell yeah. If I could find something big enough that wouldn't kill the wallet too much. Thoughts of a 35r twin scroll have crossed my mind a lot.

I've only had a short time in it do I can't really give a good review. I gotta go drive it again. I wonder if my friend would let me drive it again. Lol. There are two as of right now that are driving here. One in a GC And the other in a bugeye wagon. It's been years since I've driven it so I'll need a refresh. Lol

(bugeye wagon) Version 8 + stock twin scroll setup (exhaust, down pipe, intake I think) against a ej257 with gt3076 (05 STI) and both were pretty evenly matched. The twin scroll still stayed in front. The STI owner was quite impressed that he wasn't pulling on the bugeye owner. It's how the power is delivered. I believe AMS turned the version 8 setup and the 05 STI setup. No numbers though from the dyno.
Wow thats pretty impressive to stick with a 2.5 3076 setup.

On one hand, i really dont want to touch the new motor power wise, on the other hand, im looking at how incredibly simple the swap is with the motor on the stand.

I'm not looking to drop any more money, after coming 54 dollars under my budget for the EJ207 swap.

Worked on the new motor for ~5 hours today replacing the timing belt and water pump along with the drivers rear cam cover. Took a while to get the cam sprockets off but luckily they came out without stripping. Giant 3/4 impact stepped down to 1/2 was finally the trick. Thing sounded like something out of a nascar pit lane.

Seeing the Green Brackets Of Death on the new motor brings back memories. Even though it only took about 2 minutes to take them both off with the motor out of the car
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:13 PM   #4238
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:40 PM   #4239
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i use romraider to log the vvt and the nps signal. nps should =1 when in gear, if not get the patch for the ecu or swap out for the proper year nps. AVCS working or not working isnt a tuner issue, its all mechanical/electrical.
So, just to clarify... when I log the "NPS Switch ON/OFF" on Romraider, and it shows 1 in Neutral and 0 in gear.... that will cause AVCS to NOT function, correct? Of course I ask, because both my VVT left & right are all zeros accross the board (except for the occasional 1,2). Car was definitely warmed up over 180 degrees. Here are the vitals:

Car : 2003 WRX (stock 5-speed AFAIK)
Engine: JDM v8 ej207 (Engine Code EJ207DW6CR, ECU code 22611AH581)
AVCS Wiring: DS1 diagram, using added harness for passenger & TGV pathways for driver side.
Things checked: Unplugged IAT sensor from under the throttle body.
Outstanding issues: P0031 (front O2 sensor)... did reset the ECU during troubleshooting and IAM is still 8.

Just trying to get AVCS working...

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Old 09-22-2012, 10:42 PM   #4240
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Wow thats pretty impressive to stick with a 2.5 3076 setup.

On one hand, i really dont want to touch the new motor power wise, on the other hand, im looking at how incredibly simple the swap is with the motor on the stand.

I'm not looking to drop any more money, after coming 54 dollars under my budget for the EJ207 swap.

Worked on the new motor for ~5 hours today replacing the timing belt and water pump along with the drivers rear cam cover. Took a while to get the cam sprockets off but luckily they came out without stripping. Giant 3/4 impact stepped down to 1/2 was finally the trick. Thing sounded like something out of a nascar pit lane.

Seeing the Green Brackets Of Death on the new motor brings back memories. Even though it only took about 2 minutes to take them both off with the motor out of the car
Green brackets of death?
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:28 PM   #4241
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he is talking about the brackets that cover the injectors during an accident. they are ussually very dark green by the time we see the engines. brand new they are even very dark. with the engine in they are a bitch and ahalf to take off. i took mine off right away when i got my engine along with evap to prevent future issues/headaches.
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:15 PM   #4242
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The ones on the EJ207's are a joke to take on and off compared to the ones on my EJ205... I just kept them on

Well I guess I should qualify this statement with me having a lot more room to get to them, as I do not have the ridiculous factory power steering line setup and my battery and A/C lines are no longer there...
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:13 AM   #4243
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So, just to clarify... when I log the "NPS Switch ON/OFF" on Romraider, and it shows 1 in Neutral and 0 in gear.... that will cause AVCS to NOT function, correct?
yes, it is one of the possible causes for AVCS not to work. Invert the signal in the rom or get an NPS.
I haven't tried it but you might be able to hack the NPS you have by reversing the wires at its plug harness to trick your v8 ecu.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:17 AM   #4244
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yes, it is one of the possible causes for AVCS not to work. Invert the signal in the rom or get an NPS.
I haven't tried it but you might be able to hack the NPS you have by reversing the wires at its plug harness to trick your v8 ecu.
I have a stock image (v8) which I reversed the nps. PM me if you want it.
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:47 PM   #4245
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I have a stock image (v8) which I reversed the nps. PM me if you want it.
i guess that message is for torquey. My AVCS is On

you might as well post a google docs link to the ROM, or upload it somewhere on the romraider site. I'm sure someone else doing a swap will need it sooner or later.
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i guess that message is for torquey. My AVCS is On

you might as well post a google docs link to the ROM, or upload it somewhere on the romraider site. I'm sure someone else doing a swap will need it sooner or later.
Yup - sorry I was working from the mobile app. I'll go ahead and do that.


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Hey guys, I've been working on my V7 EJ207 w/ 6 speed swap into my bugeye for a couple weeks now. Anyone come across this issue?

and what did you do to fix it? I was thinking of swaping the connector on the harness with the one that came with the front clip by removing the pins. Both have 3 wires:
JDM plug has 3 green wires; one with a yellow stripe, one with a white stripe and one with a black stripe
USDM has 2 green wires; one with a yellow stripe and one with a white stripe and a black with a red stripe.

Should I re-pin the two like wires and substatute the green with black stripe with the black with red stripe? or is it possible to just swap the sensors?
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:56 PM   #4248
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there are like 5/6 version 8 rom ID so yours might not work for Torquey.

to Mountain:
use the harness that came with the 6mt and then that should plug into your car somehow. any 5mt harness will not work
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:31 PM   #4249
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Yup - sorry I was working from the mobile app. I'll go ahead and do that.


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Appreciate the help man! Do you actually have the instructions on how you switched it on the ROM?

btw, I any update on revisiting your tuner about the dyno numbers with the new Turbo? Did u verify if your AVCS is working for sure or not?
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Appreciate the help man! Do you actually have the instructions on how you switched it on the ROM?

btw, I any update on revisiting your tuner about the dyno numbers with the new Turbo? Did u verify if your AVCS is working for sure or not?
These are the instructions I used, which appear to be A4TE002B specific:
http://www.romraider.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=15&t=8540

I didn't trust the uploaded rom to be completely stock so I just did it to my own image to be safe.

As far as my car... AVCS is working. Kamak thinks the wastegate actuator arm is of improper length and therefore not sealing the wastegate flap properly. I am swapping that out now. Also, the spring I had in the actuator wasn't stiff enough to hold full boost potential. I should know in the next few days if these changes fix the problem.
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