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Old 11-08-2012, 04:12 PM   #4776
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I think that they have an Sti with an option pack (OPC 92) that is equal with a Spec C with A/C.
The air-oil cooler was an option for the Spec C. I think it may be OPC94.

If we were to think for a minute that there was a package for an Sti, to get a VF36 and not be a Spec C, this is not that weird, because the complete car could still be an Sti.
It would have the non spec C suspension, have the full Sti weight components, no crank rear windows, etc.

Here we would love to get that stripped down, lightweight spec C, but if it was readily available, it would probably do like the base line Evo 8.
It was cheaper, but people did not prefer to buy it, by a large proportion.

So then you offer much like Chevy and others, option packages..

As far as what would the option pacage of the Sti do to the immobilizer? I have no clue, but my first reaction would be that it's probably immobilized. The only reason (under my opinion) to not have an immobilizer with the Spec C in V9 was to show a commitment to lightweight construction. A full weight Sti with a Spec C engine would go to a different customer, I would think.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:13 PM   #4777
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Intercooler is a V9.. can tell from the split at the top vs a bar all the way across.
You are correct however, the TMIC is not a good way to tell because the importers usually take them off and mix them up during transit. My V8 Spec-C came with a V9 TMIC that was damaged and then another V9 to replace that one. It also came with a V9 ECU.

The engine code and turbo are some of the best ways to tell.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:58 PM   #4778
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You are correct however, the TMIC is not a good way to tell because the importers usually take them off and mix them up during transit. My V8 Spec-C came with a V9 TMIC that was damaged and then another V9 to replace that one. It also came with a V9 ECU.

The engine code and turbo are some of the best ways to tell.
At least they replaced yours. Mine had a hole in it and I had to JB weld it. They wouldn't replace it even though it was due to their bad packing.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:26 PM   #4779
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got mine replaced. had ppl on here say they always get ****ed up. so i told my guy put it in a box and put it on the pallent. nope idiot put it up against the rear of the engine against the studs... two nice holes in it so he got it back sent me a new one plus mani pressure sensor that was broke plus my shipping costs.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:40 PM   #4780
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What vendor was it that wouldn't replace your intercooler?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:57 PM   #4781
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Picked my v7 with matching transmission today from jdmracingmotors. Robert and everyone there took great care of me. The motor is pretty spotless considering its the better part of ten years old. I live in VT so I decided to pick it up in person since it was only 2 hours away. Would recommend them to anyone looking for a 207.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:17 PM   #4782
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let me know when you want an avcs harness. will have a few made over the weekend!
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:32 PM   #4783
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let me know when you want an avcs harness. will have a few made over the weekend!
+1 on whiteBgeye's avcs harness, installed mine and had no issues. Instruction included with the harness made the job much easier and the end result was perfect working avcs, no codes, no hassles.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:43 AM   #4784
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Looking at these options and such, I started to wonder why none of the no-A/C Spec C engines are surfacing yet..
Where they that rarely sold new?
I wonder if the ROM is different for those, from the factory.
One of those in a Spec C V9 would be very easily id-ed as Spec C and most likely non-immobilized.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:09 AM   #4785
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Looking at these options and such, I started to wonder why none of the no-A/C Spec C engines are surfacing yet..
Where they that rarely sold new?
I wonder if the ROM is different for those, from the factory.
One of those in a Spec C V9 would be very easily id-ed as Spec C and most likely non-immobilized.
I have never seen a no-AC sti motor in all the spec-C info I have come across. If they did make a version with no AC I would suspect those were all designated for rally use and never made it onto the street.

I think it could be another one of those lies that spreads since I have seen articles saying the spec-C has no AC but they show a motor shot and there is the AC compressor. I cant imagine there is any reason to run a different rom on a car with no AC, the group N rom has a provision for AC.

AC might not be a bad thing to have either during a rally, what if your windows fog up?
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:34 PM   #4786
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What's the difference between the EJ207 and EJ208? I picked up a JDM Legacy B4 RSK with the EJ208 and plan on swapping it into my Outback. The brake booster appears to be the only big issue. I don't have an Impreza, but the Outback guys are pretty useless with info!
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:25 PM   #4787
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What's the difference between the EJ207 and EJ208? I picked up a JDM Legacy B4 RSK with the EJ208 and plan on swapping it into my Outback. The brake booster appears to be the only big issue. I don't have an Impreza, but the Outback guys are pretty useless with info!
That would be the Twin Turbo Legacy Motor. There have been some people that have tackled this, but do not know what they did to get to work.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:53 PM   #4788
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I have never seen a no-AC sti motor in all the spec-C info I have come across. If they did make a version with no AC I would suspect those were all designated for rally use and never made it onto the street.

I think it could be another one of those lies that spreads since I have seen articles saying the spec-C has no AC but they show a motor shot and there is the AC compressor. I cant imagine there is any reason to run a different rom on a car with no AC, the group N rom has a provision for AC.

AC might not be a bad thing to have either during a rally, what if your windows fog up?
I think you have a healthy attitude towards internet information, let's confirm something before believing it.
You know already that I susbscribe to this idea, so I do have evidence that these exist, that's why I'm bringing them up.

So I will get the info out little-by-little, now at work cannot handle photos.
As far as the ROM, I was refering to the settings.
I have somewhere a photo of an engine compartment of these, with the no A/C setup. It's a normal engine bay, not a rally engine bay.

I have knowledge that the engine code reflects the lack of A/C in the code's last character.

Like I posted in the EJ207 info thread, the factory produced a dedicated part for these no A/C engines, it's a metal belt cover.

The no A/C engine does away with the top plastic belt cover and replaces it with a metal one, half-size obviously.

I was able to locate this part in the parts software, and correlate it to the spec C engine. It's from a Spec C, coded by the factory as RASC. This is not a rally car, but a Spec C type Ra.

Since these are 3 independent sources, I can say that this is not a legend.

I think that neither the with A/C EJ207 nor the without A/C are options.
I looked at the USDM parts and there was a 2000 TS, I think, where some had A/C and some did not. Neither was listed as an option, the A/C goes in the description collumn and the part number of the engine changes.

There were additional differences in the no A/C cars that I will not get into at this stage, I'll stick to just the engines.

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Old 11-09-2012, 03:35 PM   #4789
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I usually wouldn't talk **** on a vendor but they screwed me. It was Nagoya.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:38 PM   #4790
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I usually wouldn't talk **** on a vendor but they screwed me. It was Nagoya.
Just for reference, the intercooler with my motor had a broken bolt buried down in the hole. It looked fine, but you could only thread a bolt in half way before it would hit the broken bolt stud. I was able to remove the stud, but the threads were damaged. JDM Racing Motors offered me a replacement intercooler of my choice from the next shipment with no questions asked.

I recommend them highly. Robert was really great to work with.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:26 PM   #4791
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Just for reference, the intercooler with my motor had a broken bolt buried down in the hole. It looked fine, but you could only thread a bolt in half way before it would hit the broken bolt stud. I was able to remove the stud, but the threads were damaged. JDM Racing Motors offered me a replacement intercooler of my choice from the next shipment with no questions asked.

I recommend them highly. Robert was really great to work with.
jdmracingmotors is who im hoping to order a motor from this week. v8 for $4050 shipped. does that sound a little high? he is including a avcs wiring harness.

What do you guys recommend replacing when the motor gets here? plugs, timing belt. anything else?
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I've dealt with JDMRacing for 4 transactions now. I've spent over 10Gs with them. They've always been good to be up until recently. I got a V9 motor and was supposed to get a V8 ecu because of the immobilizer issue. Not only did I not get a V8 ecu but I got a V7 intercooler and Robert has not responded to my PMs.
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I was just shocked after I'd heard good things they'd send me poorly packaged stuff and then tell me to just deal with it.
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I've dealt with JDMRacing for 4 transactions now. I've spent over 10Gs with them. They've always been good to be up until recently. I got a V9 motor and was supposed to get a V8 ecu because of the immobilizer issue. Not only did I not get a V8 ecu but I got a V7 intercooler and Robert has not responded to my PMs.
Did you try calling? I've always been able to get a hold of him that way.
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Just for reference, the intercooler with my motor had a broken bolt buried down in the hole. It looked fine, but you could only thread a bolt in half way before it would hit the broken bolt stud. I was able to remove the stud, but the threads were damaged. JDM Racing Motors offered me a replacement intercooler of my choice from the next shipment with no questions asked.

I recommend them highly. Robert was really great to work with.
Besides the TMIC being damaged, it was smooth sailing dealing with JDM Racing Motors and Robert. He replaced the TMIC no questions asked, but I did have to wait a month for his next cargo container, no biggie. He even gave me a lot of advice on fixing the first temporarily. I haven't started the motor yet (facepalm), but it was in great shape and clean as hell. The camshafts has a mirror finish on them with not a single scratch, score, or single mark. I'm hoping the inside of the motor looks the same way.

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I've dealt with JDMRacing for 4 transactions now. I've spent over 10Gs with them. They've always been good to be up until recently. I got a V9 motor and was supposed to get a V8 ecu because of the immobilizer issue. Not only did I not get a V8 ecu but I got a V7 intercooler and Robert has not responded to my PMs.
He doesn't do PM's that well. Email and phone worked 100% for me.

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I was just shocked after I'd heard good things they'd send me poorly packaged stuff and then tell me to just deal with it.
Perhaps it depends on the location it came from? Some ship from Canada and some from Virginia I think. Mine came from Robert in Canada and not his sister facility in Virginia. My replacement TMIC came from the VA facility and it was packaged poorly.

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What do you guys recommend replacing when the motor gets here? plugs, timing belt. anything else?
i think im going to solve the exhaust issue with getting a catback setup jdm racing motors has available.

i plan on doing 3 oil changes in the first 3000 miles.
(after start up, 500 miles and 3000 miles)

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I got my setup from japandomesticmotor.com, dealt with Wais. I got a full engine swap package, only thing I had to buy outside of the engine purchase was the avcs wiring harness. I paid $3500 shipped for my 2003 ver 8 engine including a down pipe and ecu. The intercooler was missing the recirculation valve, he sent one out as soon as informed him of it been missing, no hassle no run around. I could have purchased a ver 8 spec c from him for $3900 shipped.
I definitely recommend them, they also have a 60 day return policy vs the 30 days all the other JDM vendors seem to have.

I installed a gates racing timing belt kit, oem thermostat, NGK iridium BKR7EIX #2667, oem oil filter and semi synthetic oil for initial start up and later changed to rotella t6. I also got a Tomei down pipe and a borla hush catback. It was very simple to just add a couple of inches to the intermediate pipe to get the U.S market catback to work with the JDM length down pipe.
Check out oakos.com for the gates timing belt kit, they had the best price.

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I think you have a healthy attitude towards internet information, let's confirm something before believing it.
You know already that I susbscribe to this idea, so I do have evidence that these exist, that's why I'm bringing them up.

So I will get the info out little-by-little, now at work cannot handle photos.
As far as the ROM, I was refering to the settings.
I have somewhere a photo of an engine compartment of these, with the no A/C setup. It's a normal engine bay, not a rally engine bay.

I have knowledge that the engine code reflects the lack of A/C in the code's last character.

Like I posted in the EJ207 info thread, the factory produced a dedicated part for these no A/C engines, it's a metal belt cover.

The no A/C engine does away with the top plastic belt cover and replaces it with a metal one, half-size obviously.

I was able to locate this part in the parts software, and correlate it to the spec C engine. It's from a Spec C, coded by the factory as RASC. This is not a rally car, but a Spec C type Ra.

Since these are 3 independent sources, I can say that this is not a legend.

I think that neither the with A/C EJ207 nor the without A/C are options.
I looked at the USDM parts and there was a 2000 TS, I think, where some had A/C and some did not. Neither was listed as an option, the A/C goes in the description collumn and the part number of the engine changes.

There were additional differences in the no A/C cars that I will not get into at this stage, I'll stick to just the engines.

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Are these the chassis that are intended for motorsports conversion? They are not rally cars from the factory but they are the cars that are sold for rally car builds or other motorsports. A normal person could in theory buy one if they wanted to but I would suspect if prodrive for example ordered spec-C cars for conversion these are the ones they would get. less extras that would end up getting ripped off anyway during the build.

There is also supposedly a version that has no ABS and a viscous center diff (AA and CA tranny codes) perhaps they are along the same idea of the factory stripped down no frills chassis.

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Old 11-10-2012, 12:56 AM   #4799
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No, there was a posting years ago by Simon from Prodrive where he mentioned that they buy from Subaru these cars, because they are lighter and cheaper, more suitable.
There was never any mention of Subaru restricting anything about selling them, that wouldn't make sense anyway.

There is nothing theoretical about buying this car.

The ABS was not some kind of feature. ABS and DCCD were incompatible, upto when the Sti started in the US. So they had 2 options: no ABS with DCCD or viscous with Sports ABS.
With the 04 , they started to have the technology to make both work, so they offered both together in Sti and spec C.

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No, there was a posting years ago by Simon from Prodrive where he mentioned that they buy from Subaru these cars, because they are lighter and cheaper, more suitable.
There was never any mention of Subaru restricting anything about selling them, that wouldn't make sense anyway.

There is nothing theoretical about buying this car.
I think you misunderstood my post

So yes these are the factory lightweights that are intended for motorsports and yes anyone can buy them.
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