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Old 01-26-2013, 01:12 AM   #5501
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Off the top of my head the Euro STI uses a different pin for input power on the ECU than the US/JDM cars, If someone happens to have the pinout for the JDM and EDM cars you can get it fixed. I believe you have to swap 2 wires. Since you are getting no CEL I would assume your ECU is not being powered. EDIT: Found it! http://www.romraider.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=15&t=7515


Clark I don't get your insistance on "most" Spec-C motors are fake. Unless there is some conspiracy to go around putting BB vf36s, external oil cooler provisions and the special water pump on regular JDM STI motor. Every spec-C motor I have seen for sale in the past few years from reputable sellers has had the proper parts and credentials.

Yes I am sure a few stupid people have been burned by a bad seller saying it was a spec-C , but there is no reason to be telling people most of them are fake.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:13 PM   #5502
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please take the hypothetical drag racing scenarios elsewhere
It was a question referencing as to what car would be quicker. Meaning would it be better to just buy a Sti or go through the gamble/hassle of dealing with a motor swap .....I'm sure u did ur 207 swap so ur car would be slower right
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:50 PM   #5503
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It was a question referencing as to what car would be quicker. Meaning would it be better to just buy a Sti or go through the gamble/hassle of dealing with a motor swap .....I'm sure u did ur 207 swap so ur car would be slower right
Your question was open ended with "stage 2" scenarios for 2 completely different cars with different issued parts, 6 speed gear ratios, etc.

I don't know why anyone here talks in terms of stages, its a BS upgrade path that the vendors made up to make the buyer feel good they reached "the next level".

If doing a swap is a gamble/hassle, then maybe the 207 is not for you.

besides there are ALOT of 207 vs 257 threads already posted .
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:17 PM   #5504
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However, Most Spec C's are fake with fake stickers so the import/export people can get more money from you for the engine.
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I disagree. The Spec C engines are not different enough from the JDM Sti, for V8+, to warrant the faking theory.

Even for the V7, there is now sufficient info in my EJ207 info thread, to allow someone to ID a Sti RA, by the intake ports and a V7 spec C by cam measurements.
Anyone that has a doubt, now has access to the information.
And things are only going to move forward. ...

By the way Clark. You had posted long time ago a link to a Japanese importer company that almost clarified the meanings of those "OPC" optional packages associated with the spec C in the part number description.
Would you mind re-posting that link, if you still have it, by any chance?
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:50 PM   #5505
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Yay! Back on topic.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:56 PM   #5506
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It was a question referencing as to what car would be quicker. Meaning would it be better to just buy a Sti or go through the gamble/hassle of dealing with a motor swap .....I'm sure u did ur 207 swap so ur car would be slower right
My 207 with vf37 full exhaust and e85 ran door to door with an sti same mods essentially. We ran side by side from 10-120. I'm still running the 5 speed compared to his usdm 6 speed. As soon as i shifted into 4th around 110 and that's when he slowly pulls ahead a car length or two by 135 or so. I'm guessing the gearing advantage. I expected him to pull ahead down low with the 2.5l and me pull ahead up top with the 207. The twin scroll spooled just as fast as the 2.5 down low and I'm assuming the gearing gave him an advantage up top. He's making slightly more power as well. It was a killer few runs. We did enough that it was obvious the cars were very even sub 120. It would be a hell of a race from a dig in the quarter.

I think if we both were running larger turbos, the 207 would have had the advantage up top because of the heads. I just don't think the stock turbo flows enough air to really take advantage of the better flowing heads.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:24 AM   #5507
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So I just got my '02 Bugeye back after a V7, 6 speed, and brembo swap. At the same time I installed a LW main pulley, turbo inlet, EBCS, 1200 cc Injectors, DW 320LPH fuel pump, Blouch DOM 1.5 XTR installed, and an exhaust header (to go along with the UP, DP, and 3" exhaust already on the car) and put down 320 WHP on 91 octane. Going back next week for the E85 tune. Everything you have heard about the Ej207 is true and then some.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:05 PM   #5508
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is the ej207 version 8 crank forged stock??
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:35 PM   #5509
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is the ej207 version 8 crank forged stock??
I believe so, V8-V9 STIs all got the same crank with the nitride surface treatment. PN=12200AA270
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:23 PM   #5510
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I believe so, V8-V9 STIs all got the same crank with the nitride surface treatment. PN=12200AA270
According with OpposedForces, their Euro catalog shows the STi from 02-05 with PN=12200AA240, same untreated crank as the 03-05 usdm wrx.
I'm not sure if this is correct info or if the nitrated crank was only available to the JDM market.

PN=12200AA390 superceeds the 12200AA270,
its the latest and greatest in the V9 GRB STIs, nitrated as well.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:48 AM   #5511
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According with OpposedForces, their Euro catalog shows the STi from 02-05 with PN=12200AA240, same untreated crank as the 03-05 usdm wrx.
I'm not sure if this is correct info or if the nitrated crank was only available to the JDM market.

PN=12200AA390 superceeds the 12200AA270,
its the latest and greatest in the V9 GRB STIs, nitrated as well.
I pulled the 270 from a long list of parts so you are pry right, I believe only the JDM 75mm crank from the STI was nitrided. The JDM WRX uses the 240 crank

The V7-V9 is a GD chassis, GR is the V10+ DBW dual AVCS motor. But they would use the same geometry crank so it makes sense the newer crank PN replaced the older one.

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:35 PM   #5512
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From this exact thread, a few pages back :

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...postcount=3627

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:51 PM   #5513
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So I just got my '02 Bugeye back after a V7, 6 speed, and brembo swap. At the same time I installed a LW main pulley, turbo inlet, EBCS, 1200 cc Injectors, DW 320LPH fuel pump, Blouch DOM 1.5 XTR installed, and an exhaust header (to go along with the UP, DP, and 3" exhaust already on the car) and put down 320 WHP on 91 octane. Going back next week for the E85 tune. Everything you have heard about the Ej207 is true and then some.
how much are you pushing the turbo? timing? i figured the dom would put down around 340whp or more on the 207 with the higher rev limit and the turbo being able to flow plenty of air thru the whole powerband
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:00 PM   #5514
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how much are you pushing the turbo? timing? i figured the dom would put down around 340whp or more on the 207 with the higher rev limit and the turbo being able to flow plenty of air thru the whole powerband
The gas is arizona is really terrible, it knocks like it is spiked with nitro glycerin so that power number on 91 is not that bad.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:38 PM   #5515
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The "Impossible swap" has been done!

We have a JDM Ver8 STi engine swapped into the 07 STi with the 32 bit ECU.
- We used USDM 07 STi cams and USDM STi cam sensors along with the 07 STi engine harness

I swapped everything from my 04 WRX chassis to this 07 STi chassis




As for the current foreseen future I unfortunately do not see myself going back to the v-mount. I'm working 50 hours a week and I'm in my masters program so I cannot afford to spend the time and effort to go into the project once again.

Currently I am searching for a USDM STi cluster so it's plug and play and to make sure everything works as it is supposed to since I actually have an STi. I am having electrical issues because of the JDM Ver8 STi cluster. I found that the alternator completes its circuit through the cluster, and when the cluster is not plugged in the car will have issues holding idle and will kill the power completely.

I haven't gotten a full tune yet but I will be getting one soon

I'll try and post a video soon.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:58 PM   #5516
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The "Impossible swap" has been done!

We have a JDM Ver8 STi engine swapped into the 07 STi with the 32 bit ECU.
- We used USDM 07 STi cams and USDM STi cam sensors along with the 07 STi engine harness

I swapped everything from my 04 WRX chassis to this 07 STi chassis




As for the current foreseen future I unfortunately do not see myself going back to the v-mount. I'm working 50 hours a week and I'm in my masters program so I cannot afford to spend the time and effort to go into the project once again.

Currently I am searching for a USDM STi cluster so it's plug and play and to make sure everything works as it is supposed to since I actually have an STi. I am having electrical issues because of the JDM Ver8 STi cluster. I found that the alternator completes its circuit through the cluster, and when the cluster is not plugged in the car will have issues holding idle and will kill the power completely.

I haven't gotten a full tune yet but I will be getting one soon

I'll try and post a video soon.
Nope. It can't be done. You must be mistaken. All you have is a hodge podge of crap thown together with mis matched cams that does not run correctly.







[\sarcasm] Welcome to the club and enjoy the swap. I hope to get mine fired up in the next month or so.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:02 PM   #5517
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Nope. It can't be done. You must be mistaken. All you have is a hodge podge of crap thown together with mis matched cams that does not run correctly.

[\sarcasm] Welcome to the club and enjoy the swap. I hope to get mine fired up in the next month or so.
Wow I got all fired up for a sec. haha! thanks. It's the same 207 that I had before but I'll be definitely enjoying it as if it were new.
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Nope. It can't be done. You must be mistaken. All you have is a hodge podge of crap thown together with mis matched cams that does not run correctly.







[\sarcasm] Welcome to the club and enjoy the swap. I hope to get mine fired up in the next month or so.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:27 PM   #5519
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:34 PM   #5520
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Congrats Arco, Did that starter basemap I sent help you out?

We found some odd things getting Amroof tuned on the same swap so you get to benefit from our experimenting.

It is such an impossible swap there are only around 5 in the world, I have been helping another member in Romania do the same swap

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The "Impossible swap" has been done!

We have a JDM Ver8 STi engine swapped into the 07 STi with the 32 bit ECU.
- We used USDM 07 STi cams and USDM STi cam sensors along with the 07 STi engine harness

I swapped everything from my 04 WRX chassis to this 07 STi chassis


As for the current foreseen future I unfortunately do not see myself going back to the v-mount. I'm working 50 hours a week and I'm in my masters program so I cannot afford to spend the time and effort to go into the project once again.

Currently I am searching for a USDM STi cluster so it's plug and play and to make sure everything works as it is supposed to since I actually have an STi. I am having electrical issues because of the JDM Ver8 STi cluster. I found that the alternator completes its circuit through the cluster, and when the cluster is not plugged in the car will have issues holding idle and will kill the power completely.

I haven't gotten a full tune yet but I will be getting one soon

I'll try and post a video soon.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:10 PM   #5521
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Stumbled on this by complete accident, noticed the 'lukeskywrx' out of the corner of my eye. I still love hearing that its not possible makes me feel special to have ridden in and FXT with the swap
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:15 PM   #5522
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By the way my 207 inst running on a 32 bit either! It runs on unicorn magic;-)
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:19 PM   #5523
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Congrats Arco, Did that starter basemap I sent help you out?

We found some odd things getting Amroof tuned on the same swap so you get to benefit from our experimenting.

It is such an impossible swap there are only around 5 in the world, I have been helping another member in Romania do the same swap

Luke
Thanks Luke. The map did help. Cool. I'm glad to make it onto the list. Am I #5 or now #6? haha

Do you know who the others are that have done the swap?
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:20 PM   #5524
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This is going completely over my head... Anyone care to share a page number I can refer to to get some history on this matter?

I'm assuming this relates to the V8 onward swap into non canbus ecu vehicles?

Mick
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:41 PM   #5525
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The short version....

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Because it is not compatible. If you take the JDM ENGINE and ECU, it wont run in the 06 WRX, The JDM ECU does not fit ANY of the wiring.

What you are speaking of is taking a US ECU, swapping to US D25 heads or B25 heads or swapping the intake cams and sensors over into the JDM heads, Then you have a hodge podge of crap thown together with mis matched cams that does not run correctly. The man was asking about putting an EJ207 engine into his 06WRX.

This are further complicated with his 06 WRX. The 06 and 07 WRX where a unique ECu with a seperate Drive by wire processor. Subaru only used this for the two years before it was changed back.

As far as taking an EJ207 engine, correct JDM ecu and fitting it to his 06 WRX, the only option is to swap the wiring harness. This has been done before many times. I worked on one exactly like this recently and is the correct way to swap the engine in.

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Thanks Luke. The map did help. Cool. I'm glad to make it onto the list. Am I #5 or now #6? haha

Do you know who the others are that have done the swap?


As far as I know there was one done by a shop a long while back
Amroof (Powered by North Korean Unicorn farts)
Yours
Ken's (Might be running some day)
zGb (still working on his)
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