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Old 10-25-2007, 07:03 PM   #76
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Mike,

Thanks brother!

I agree that the 18G might be where I'm happiest. So It's looking like it's a TD05-18G for me then.

I'm running a DR500 NOT a DR550 or 525. I have a discontinued FMI from APS made for the 2.0L. Do you think swapping between FMI and TMI will affect the TUNE a lot of I tune it with the FMI on the car?

Well the only reason why I'm asking about EWG vs IWG is the fact that it's cheaper on the turbo but not necessarily on the additional supporting mods. I'm in the same boat as you as stealth is the way to go and If I can eat you alive with my 2.0L i'll be happy. I'm not a street racer but if it does come down to showing some punk where to go I want to have that option.

Do you know if they make the 18G with a 3" inlet?

EJ207 FTMFW

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which brand should I go with? Deadbolt? FP?...etc.?

will I need to change out the Pink STI injectors or can I use those safely with the 18G?
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:09 PM   #77
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man I'm so excited... no money though LOL
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:02 PM   #78
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Old 10-26-2007, 03:21 PM   #79
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Do you know if they make the 18G with a 3" inlet?
Get ahold of jerry at deadbolt. If it's possible, he'll let you know.
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Old 10-26-2007, 07:06 PM   #80
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as far as I know and I'm sure I'll be corrected on this but the V8's were the first year that they introduced the twinscroll setup being the VF37 is for the standard STI and the VF36 is for the Spec-C (titanium shaft and more goodies) from what I further understand these turbos spool at least 500RPM faster than a 34 would. They do NOT make as much top end HP but the TQ is amazing.

STI V7 came with both small port and big ports depending on the heads that came with them. V8's all have big ports.

I believe they are the same internally other than the things mentioned above.

I would love to eventually get a twinscroll setup but that's after I play a little

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is there a big difference between big port and small port ?
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Old 10-26-2007, 07:21 PM   #81
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I don't know if you can get an 18g with 3" inlet. You might want to ask Jerry. I got a 20g with a 3" inlet. It should help with response if you keep the intake 3" all the way out.

As far as the TMIC vs FMIC, you would probably have to retune if you got to a TMIC, depending on how well it works. With a conservative tune, you could probably swap and get away with modifying some of the boost control parameters, at the very least.

I haven't had a chance, but I'll get you some logs of my car so you can see how the 20g behaves. I've hit the limit of the ECU for g/sec so I need to rescale things a bit.




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Mike,

Thanks brother!

I agree that the 18G might be where I'm happiest. So It's looking like it's a TD05-18G for me then.

I'm running a DR500 NOT a DR550 or 525. I have a discontinued FMI from APS made for the 2.0L. Do you think swapping between FMI and TMI will affect the TUNE a lot of I tune it with the FMI on the car?

Well the only reason why I'm asking about EWG vs IWG is the fact that it's cheaper on the turbo but not necessarily on the additional supporting mods. I'm in the same boat as you as stealth is the way to go and If I can eat you alive with my 2.0L i'll be happy. I'm not a street racer but if it does come down to showing some punk where to go I want to have that option.

Do you know if they make the 18G with a 3" inlet?

EJ207 FTMFW

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which brand should I go with? Deadbolt? FP?...etc.?

will I need to change out the Pink STI injectors or can I use those safely with the 18G?
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Old 10-28-2007, 03:32 AM   #82
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is there a big difference between big port and small port ?
it's been discussed on nasioc. i'm not entirely sure but in this since I think bigger is better
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:59 AM   #83
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Ej207 definately ftmfw. If any atlanta locals want a ride in mine I'll make you a believer also. Silky smooth running motor with a power curve flatter than an 11year old girl.
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:09 AM   #84
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Where are you guys getting your ej207's from? are they full motors or just longblocks? What is an average cost for the whole swap? If a 2.5 sb can be had for around 1500 why not just go that way since you need avcs heads and ecu for the 207
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:35 AM   #85
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I heartily recommend calling Andre and JDMspecC4u. I got my ver8 motor for $4600 with their liquidation sale over the summer. 6K miles on the motor and it was complete; came with the twin-scroll header, UP, turbo, STI topmount, engine harness. By getting a complete motor I was able to sell off all of my old parts to defray the cost of the new motor.

Stephen at IA performance.com has a plug and play AVCS harness adapter for sale too. Andre sent me some wires with the motor for splicing into the factory harness but it involved pulling some wires for the TGV motors and moving them around in the plugs; I was much more comfortable just paying for the new harness and adding the necessary wires to make it work.

2.5 with JDM heads would be great but then you miss out on the finer qualities of the 207. Its silky smooth at any rev and will rev to the moon. Sure the 2.5 will make more power down below 3K rpms, rarely do I keep the motor that low if I'm trying to get any sort of performance. I wanted a very well balanced car and with a close ratio JDM tranny I always felt like the car needed a higher redline to pair with the tranny.

Coming from a 205 the 207 is much more powerful from idle to redline, torque will be less than with a 2.5 but torque just breaks stuff. Spool time will be greater than with a 2.5 but you'll have 1500rpm more of power to work with on the topend and having a wide powerband also means less shifting.

I've yet to take my car to the drag strip but from what I've seen on here the 207s are deceptively fast at the strip, gearing and powerband have to account for it. You'll have 207s running 30-40whp less than 257s but running the exact same ETs. Being able to trap at the top of 4th is another factor too for the quicker times.
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:25 AM   #86
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As stated before a couple times how much are these engines and where do you get them?
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:07 AM   #87
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As stated before a couple times how much are these engines and where do you get them?
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I heartily recommend calling Andre and JDMspecC4u.
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Old 10-29-2007, 02:33 PM   #88
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power curve flatter than an 11year old girl.
thats hot
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Old 10-29-2007, 11:17 PM   #89
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i just went there and tried to email them, it seems that all the email addresses they list are no good, and the phone #'s are all 0's. is there anyway to get in touch with them?
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:14 AM   #90
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They just posted up this thread in the vendor FS forum: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1345070

Ver8 longblock for 2700 sounds like a steal. Use your own intake manifold, ditch the TGVs while the motor is out of the car, get a UR rotated mount GT30R kit and call it a day with damn near 400whp. I wish I would have had that offer when I got my motor from them. This is also assuming you already have a front mount, injectors, and clutch/tranny enough to handle the power.
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:48 AM   #91
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+1, got to love those crazy French Canadians! You really need to call them to successfully get a hold of them but it should be easier to reach them at their new shop. Not sure about their new phone #'s.

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Old 10-30-2007, 01:58 AM   #92
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Mike,

Any update on the logs?

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Old 10-30-2007, 02:01 AM   #93
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Here's their contact information from their website

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Old 10-30-2007, 04:39 AM   #94
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+1, got to love those crazy French Canadians! You really need to call them to successfully get a hold of them but it should be easier to reach them at their new shop. Not sure about their new phone #'s.

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I can also vouch for them, great guys who provide great support and feedback besides nice parts
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:36 AM   #95
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Mike,

Any update on the logs?

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I found my header is cracked- my spool decreased by 500 RPM and then I saw smoke coming from one of the flex joints. I need to get some gaskets and I am going to swap a set of ported stock manifolds this week. It's always something....
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Crazymike- Have you noticed anything interesting of note with respect to knock correction and IAM movement with the JDM ECU (assuming your using it). I have been having this weird "event" where my IAM will drop to 8 then within seconds (less than 10) bump to 12 to 16. The only knock I picked up was 1-2 degrees on tip in when in 4th or 5th gear mostly related to running a TD04 that can make 15psi at or before 2700rpm (crazy fast spool).
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I just wanted to know is there any where I can get information on my engine from the engine code on the tag from the clip... ie what turbo is on and things of the sort... I just got my clip last night and waiting to get the car back from paint, can't wait for spring to get here
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Crazymike- Have you noticed anything interesting of note with respect to knock correction and IAM movement with the JDM ECU (assuming your using it). I have been having this weird "event" where my IAM will drop to 8 then within seconds (less than 10) bump to 12 to 16. The only knock I picked up was 1-2 degrees on tip in when in 4th or 5th gear mostly related to running a TD04 that can make 15psi at or before 2700rpm (crazy fast spool).
When you reset the ECU, it's more apt to move the IAM around. After driving for a bit, it seems to settle in a bit and it shouldn't change as much.

Was the ECU retuned to work with your turbo? I believe they are tuned for higher-quality gas in Japan, so using it with 93 octane probably won't work the best.

I bet that TD04 is nuts though- it almost makes me wish I kept my 16g on mine....almost....
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td04 on a spec c map? poop little thing

mine IAM was 8 @ 93 back in NY, it was hurting the car
it is now 16 @ 98 RON in Moscow
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When you reset the ECU, it's more apt to move the IAM around. After driving for a bit, it seems to settle in a bit and it shouldn't change as much.

Was the ECU retuned to work with your turbo? I believe they are tuned for higher-quality gas in Japan, so using it with 93 octane probably won't work the best.

I bet that TD04 is nuts though- it almost makes me wish I kept my 16g on mine....almost....
Yeah the ecu was originally detuned for 93. It is actually using JDM WRX AVCS map as the tuner/thought that would be a better match for the set up (stock WRX IC/Injectors/Turbo). In hindsight it wasn't exactly the best tune but I really didn't expect much for a free "get the car running tune."

To complicate things more I am now in Colorado at any altitude of 8000ft and all they have out here is pretty weak 91 octane. That has created some tuning challenges but I think I have it coming together. I was only running 13psi until I got everything under control and now I am slowly ramping things up 2psi at a time. I didn't have any thing happen on the way to work this morning so if everything looks good on the way home its time to bump my target boost up to 17psi.

With the TD04 I never really take the engine past 5000 rpms. There is just no point when I can hit full boost by 2600-2700rpms and the turbo runs out of breath by 5000 rpms. The car is definitely quick, not fast, but damn quick. I can't wait to see how this thing performs at a "normal" altitude.

On a related note I a running some test logs w/the help of merchgod to determine which fuel map is being used under different conditions. Hopefully, this can be done for all the weird A and B maps in the JDM ECU.

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