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Old 09-19-2010, 05:28 PM   #1026
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Only on cranked up dynos. Its a 350 crank hp turbocharger. Take off 65 whp loss for a typical wrx/sti.

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Old 09-19-2010, 05:39 PM   #1027
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Only on cranked up dynos. Its a 350 crank hp turbocharger. Take off 65 whp loss for a typical wrx/sti.

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Cranked up dynos? I've seen VF37's pushing 330whp on mustang dynos though, same with WRX's running VF39's

EDIT: I forgot to mention that between now and getting a tune on E85 with the stock VF37/36 or whatever stock location TS I get........ I will also have dropped around 70lbs of rotational mass which should help me achieve 350whp+ on E85.

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Old 09-19-2010, 06:06 PM   #1028
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Been on mustangs for many years. It was turned up man.

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Old 09-19-2010, 06:31 PM   #1029
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Been on mustangs for many years. It was turned up man.

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Interesting, yeah it's hard to tell these days with everyone posting up dyno #'s that vary so much from car to car. I guess the best thing to go by is trap speed....... I know right now I'm trapping a little over 110mph. My car is also pretty light at 3,000lbs with plans to drop another 150lbs

I also sent you a email about getting a tune within the next couple months. Thanks for all of the help on the forum
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:04 PM   #1030
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Anybody have experience with the Litchfield turbos? The LM450 is rated at 450bhp (360whp) with supposedly good spool/response....... but expensive.

I haven't seen too much from the Blouch upgrades..... other than poor performance overall.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:11 PM   #1031
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Any EJ207 owners willing to make frequent trips to the garage, and possibly take some pictures? I need help figuring out the purge setup... http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...php?p=31920798
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:47 PM   #1032
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i'm running a V7 with stock vf30 and stage 2 and i put 314tq/320whp on a dyno dynamics awd dyno......tuned by Dave brown& Clark turner
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:49 PM   #1033
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That dyno dynamics was set at 1.12.

If your trapping 110 on a standard weight car, That would be about 260whp at 1.0 correction. Maybe 270 tops.

There are alot of variables but you can take this to the bank. Any of the VFs are 350crank hp turbos. Fuel can push that up a bit. Engine size makes little difference.

To make real big power if you race the car, You need to get away from all of those bolt on turbos.
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Old 09-19-2010, 09:21 PM   #1034
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If your trapping 110 on a standard weight car, That would be about 260whp at 1.0 correction. Maybe 270 tops.

There are alot of variables but you can take this to the bank. Any of the VFs are 350crank hp turbos. Fuel can push that up a bit. Engine size makes little difference.

To make real big power if you race the car, You need to get away from all of those bolt on turbos.
I guess the question is 260whp..... but on which dyno. I see stock STi's do around 240whp on mustang dynos...... but they only trap 103-104. I just don't see an extra 20whp netting me 6mph+ in my trap speed. So you're saying the mustang dyno read too high with me at 287whp....... I thought they read lower than most. And I'm not even standard weight, I'm closer to 3,000 even.

Dyno "#'s" aside....... I'm looking to increase trap speed while having good spool. Something close to 120mph traps (VF39's have done it on E85) would be nice.

I've spent the last 2hrs scanning the forums on different turbos. I'm curious to see the results TIC has with the VF37 converted to a blouch 2.5rxt. I looked at the Tomei turbo, but haven't seen any solid results. The litchfield are and expensive option but supposedly work great. Other than that I could ditch the twinscroll and go ss with something with good spool. Decisions decisions......
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:00 PM   #1035
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I'm still reading through it all, but there is a big thread over at scoobynet on the litchfield turbos.

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-g...oll-turbo.html

They are getting good results with quick spool. On the LM450-S60 turbo they are hitting 450bhp (roughly 370whp?) with full boost (22psi) by 3800 rpms on a EJ207 with minor bolt ons and reg pump gas.

But damn..... that's an expensive turbo
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:38 PM   #1036
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My VF36/EJ207 did 310 on pump and 320 on race gas.... haha, really no difference... but had to run a LOT more timing. Boost was 18ish peak... 15 at redline. This was on a dynapack.

It ran 12.0 @ 115 multiple times.

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Old 09-20-2010, 01:42 PM   #1037
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My VF36/EJ207 did 310 on pump and 320 on race gas.... haha, really no difference... but had to run a LOT more timing. Boost was 18ish peak... 15 at redline. This was on a dynapack.

It ran 12.0 @ 115 multiple times.

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I become jelous every time I see you post something about your old vf36 setup
my car is slower with a pe1825!



LIQUIDSK8S, I looked into those litchfield turbos myself, but have yet to see real life results before I cash out that much money
the most mysterious thing I found reading scoobynet is that they dyno those turbos in 5th gear to get it spooling at those RPMs, so I wonder what happens in 1-2-3 gears...
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Old 09-20-2010, 02:11 PM   #1038
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I become jelous every time I see you post something about your old vf36 setup
my car is slower with a pe1825!



LIQUIDSK8S, I looked into those litchfield turbos myself, but have yet to see real life results before I cash out that much money
the most mysterious thing I found reading scoobynet is that they dyno those turbos in 5th gear to get it spooling at those RPMs, so I wonder what happens in 1-2-3 gears...
Yeah 115mph on a VF36 is nice.

There are tons of dyno plots that have been posted on scoobynet with the litchfield turbos. The LM450-S60 is consistently netting 440-460BHP (depending on mods) on their pump gas which is around 350-370whp over here. I'm really thinking of going this route as the response is also great with full boost (1.65 bar) as soon as 3500rpms. They say it spools nearly as quick as the VF36. BUT..... $2,200.... tough pill to swallow. I figure I would spend close to $2k doing a rotated setup including the EWG and other things needed since I would need to ditch my whole setup (exhaust/headers). Rotated 30R would net me more power......little less spool/response.......great turbo though.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:31 PM   #1039
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once again, their numbers are based on high gear pulls or 2.5 motors
and if that sucker can make full boost on a 2.0 @ 3500 in 4th gear on pump gas, max torque around 4000 and a flat powerband from there and on, and net around 370whp - it's worth the money for me and I am getting one

in fact... I would even modify my uppipe to rotate that turbo and gain better response!
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Old 09-20-2010, 06:09 PM   #1040
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once again, their numbers are based on high gear pulls or 2.5 motors
and if that sucker can make full boost on a 2.0 @ 3500 in 4th gear on pump gas, max torque around 4000 and a flat powerband from there and on, and net around 370whp - it's worth the money for me and I am getting one

in fact... I would even modify my uppipe to rotate that turbo and gain better response!
I'm pretty sure they are 4th gear pulls just like ours, and the ones I'm talking about are with the 2.0, the 2.5's are running the larger 480/500-L60 and getting similar spool.
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:29 PM   #1041
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Here is a 2.0 with supporting mods on the LM450-S60 making 450bhp with 1.7 bar by 3700rpm.

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=315
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:52 PM   #1042
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Check out the new line of Kinugawa stock placement subaru twinscrolls. They are a decent build and alot less than DB/Litchfield. But just like Clark mentioned, if you really want easy reliable big power go rotated or non stock placement. You've got the $$..Be the Guinea pig..
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Old 09-24-2010, 06:38 PM   #1043
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Check out the new line of Kinugawa stock placement subaru twinscrolls. They are a decent build and alot less than DB/Litchfield. But just like Clark mentioned, if you really want easy reliable big power go rotated or non stock placement. You've got the $$..Be the Guinea pig..
I've never heard of them :runs to google:. And it's not so much about big power, but having good power with good response, more linear. For me, big power get's old fast. If I have to choose between a larger "laggier" turbo with 400whp vs a much more responsive 350whp turbo, I will take the smaller turbo every day.
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Old 09-25-2010, 01:23 AM   #1044
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I've never heard of them :runs to google:. And it's not so much about big power, but having good power with good response, more linear. For me, big power get's old fast. If I have to choose between a larger "laggier" turbo with 400whp vs a much more responsive 350whp turbo, I will take the smaller turbo every day.
I'm definitely in the same boat. Looking for a responsive turbo that will get me near 400whp.

Any recommendations?
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:53 PM   #1045
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I have a V7 207 with AVCS workin and a rotated 3076. I used to have a built 257 but thank god I switched. There is a little lag but with a little supporting mods, my 207 sings all the way up to 8.5K. Currently running 415 on a mustang dyno, opensource tuned.
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Old 09-26-2010, 02:51 AM   #1046
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I have a V7 207 with AVCS workin and a rotated 3076. I used to have a built 257 but thank god I switched. There is a little lag but with a little supporting mods, my 207 sings all the way up to 8.5K. Currently running 415 on a mustang dyno, opensource tuned.

this is the route recomended by many... twin scroll 3076 rotated and be done

can you post more info/mods/pics/dyno sheets?
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:29 AM   #1047
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i was running that setup back in 2004. It really was my favorite setup. 350 to 400 on pump gas.

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Old 09-26-2010, 04:49 PM   #1048
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I was thinking of getting a 207 when my 205 blows (165k on the odo) Wheres the best place to pick one of these up? I've been looking through the classified section every day and I've yet to see anything. Would it be easier to just buy a 205 again? I've been trying to weigh my options for used engines. I thought a hybrid set up would be good but after reading about issues with compression ratios and thicker headgaskets, I think I'll just stick with a long block. Now surprisingly, I'm still on the stock clutch and tranny. Would I need to upgrade to a new tranny with the 207? Would it be easier to buy a complete longblock and tranny combo?

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Old 09-26-2010, 05:31 PM   #1049
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i got my motor from jdmspecC4u...not sure if they're still a vendor on here but i dealt with Max, really nice guy. motor was very clean. here's a thread about them
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There are also many on ebay. You can get whole longblock/tranny setups for $7-8k. Then sell your 5spd to recoup a little money.
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