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Old 01-22-2012, 03:35 PM   #2326
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You cant go by the look of the print. 100k is alot of circling around Japan. Probably a commercial vehicle would take years to rack up that mileage around the islands.
Yeah, but this engine was built in 2002 (from what I can tell) that makes it a ten year old car.
That's only 8,333 miles a year - my wife's minivan, which has never left the Phoenix Metro area sees about 12,000 miles year - I don't see why that's not possible.

Here's another picture of the timing belt installed on the car with my old timing belt, with 95,000 miles on it - same made in japan belt.....again, you be the judge...

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Old 01-22-2012, 04:24 PM   #2327
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Yeah, but this engine was built in 2002 (from what I can tell) that makes it a ten year old car.
That's only 8,333 miles a year - my wife's minivan, which has never left the Phoenix Metro area sees about 12,000 miles year - I don't see why that's not possible.

Here's another picture of the timing belt installed on the car with my old timing belt, with 95,000 miles on it - same made in japan belt.....again, you be the judge...

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Thing is, you can't compare the average mileage in Japan to the US. It's apples to oranges. Most don't run past 20k due to the taxes. This could be 30k engine that has just been sitting outside for years.
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Old 01-22-2012, 04:43 PM   #2328
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Yeah, I agree, it may be apples to oranges.
But if you saw this thing in person, you would most likely agree it has been sitting outside in the elements for quite some time, as well as being very used.

There are also signs of leakage on the valve cover bolts and valve covers, oil cooler, and oil pan that I can verify for sure. There was also a pool of oil on the bottom of the timing covers. Probably a teaspoon or more of accumulated oil. Where is that coming from?

It would also need all new PCV hoses, and just as well do the coolant hoses while I'm in there. I cracked two of them PCV breather hoses when I was putting on the intercooler - 2 of the 3 hoses cracked - they are rock solid and brittle.

In my experience, my car had to have these replaced at 238,000 miles, that's when they cracked, and I'm in AZ.

I understand what you're saying about Japan and driving habits...
I'm just looking at the actual wear items and items that would need to be replaced. If the exterior is this bad, what does the inside of the engine look like? Why would I put this questionable motor in my car when mine, at 240K miles, has less obvious problems and is in better shape?
But the timing belt writing does have me very concerned - I mean look at the pictures......the timing belt is somewhat isolated from the elements, why would it look so worn?

I don't know, maybe I'm being too critical? - but I did just see an ej207 (from same vendor) installed in a fellow Nasioc'er's car and it looked no where near this bad.

So I know they get better options in.





Still waiting to hear back from Vendor on what they are willing to do.
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Old 01-22-2012, 05:57 PM   #2329
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You can also see in that picture with the timing belts what the valve covers look like.
They are very oxidized, the texture is very rough, like it's been exposed to the elements for years....
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Old 01-22-2012, 06:28 PM   #2330
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Quick questions - Do the cam sprockets have to come off to replace the rear timing covers?

It looks like that's the only way to take it off.

If I were to keep this, they would need to be replaced.
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Old 01-22-2012, 06:49 PM   #2331
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Quick questions - Do the cam sprockets have to come off to replace the rear timing covers?

It looks like that's the only way to take it off.

If I were to keep this, they would need to be replaced.
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yes they do, btw what exactly happened to your 205? Did it finally pop? Too bad I left Tempe before you picked this up, or i'd check it out for you in person.
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:35 PM   #2332
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My Ver. 8 motor and tranny looked like ass when they showed up. Had to have been sitting around for at LEAST a couple years. If I did it again (and I likely will) I would have done a built 2.1 liter or something similar. All the stuff I had to replace or supply myself made my swap very, very expensive. And I'll be honest, I have no definitive knowledge of the internal integrity of this motor, nor how it was cared for before it's removal. Its a gamble that I took.

That said I do love the car and the motor as they stand, I'm just saying there are a LOT of unknowns.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:21 PM   #2333
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fast - 205 is actually in great working order - runs perfect.
But with 240K it's not going to run forever and I wanted to be ahead of the game when it does go.
It's my daily so I can't have a bunch of down time so i wanted to have everything ready to go. And I can get more for a running motor than one that's blown - which will lessen the cost.

As blakjak mentioned - it would add at least $1000 more in parts to get this thing in working condition assuming there are no other internal problems. All new gaskets as well as hoses at a minimum -

At this point I just want to return it and start over - others have commented via PM that they had similar dealings with this particular vendor. I guess the main guy running the place quit or went elsewhere and the new guys sucks....no disagreement there.
I wish I would have known that two weeks ago.....

Oh well, sorry I didn't mean to de-rail this thread!
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:36 PM   #2334
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IMO if the selling Co is willing or did give some sort of warranty on the motor Id put it in and see what you got.

I just sold my 04 STi long block to a guy and I was told it had 1000 or less miles on it when I bought it, and never ran it because I was holding it for a back up motor. It had sat in my gurage from early 06 till 2 weeks ago. All I did before install was over fill the oil by 2 qts and hand cranked the motor over 20+ times, then drained it and then filled it normal with different oil apron install. It started like it had run hours ago.

That all being said you cant be sure the condition unless you pull the pan and look at the barrings and or split the block completely. If the seller is warrantying IMO it go for it
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:45 PM   #2335
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well the problem is that these companies give like a 30 day warranty and or startup garrantee. the engine may last the 30 days so basically you have to get it tuned asap and beat the snot out of it right away to see if its got any weak points and if it does they go out right away.

I personally have talked/emailed various vendors and have come to realize they all get shipping containers with pallets of items on them such as the engines, seats, jdm goodies, etc. i also realized three of them get there orders on the same general day since they mentioned having a new stock early next week..... i mean unless im talking to the same guy on three different pm/emails seems like whoever in japan that has these sends it over in large quantities or... the shipping company only brings it over on seletected times....


on that note whats ppl's opinions on jdm racing motors vs japan domestic motors. im stuck between the two and now have been informed they are the same company under different names possibly. i really want the jdm swap since there are tons of ppl that have had great luck with them. the problem is all you hear about is the negative mostly. thats because ppl that have good luck dont have problems and thus dont post about it...

another thing to watch out for is cars from the flooding last year or the year before....
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:15 PM   #2336
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I did talk to my vendor this morning, and after much haggling and arguing about the engine, they have agreed to reimburse me for shipping once they receive the engine back in Canada - I hope all goes well.

I'm still a little weary - I could be out my cash and the engine....

Good luck on your purchase - but I think these engines, though "low-mileage", show their age - hopefully the insides are not as bad.

Nagano has an entire V8 setup for $6700 - if I had a buyer for the tranny I'd buy it for sure. The pictures look like it's in great shape (though they could be decieving.)

Good luck!
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:26 PM   #2337
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Is it a vendor here on nasioc?
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yes a very popular vendor that most ppl get there engines from as far as i know. what just came to mind is that they wrap these things up with the shrink wrap prior to shipping. it might have gotten wrapped up and forgot or something. either way i wouldnt be worried azscoobie. they cant just keep your money. they would lose a ton of business on here. and frankly without this site im not sure how many engines they would even sell. im pretty sure the makers of nasioc should get an award for creating the most business and trade for cars in the USA. lol
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:44 PM   #2339
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I went through jdm racing motors (canada) aka jspec in virginia. Same company but some v8 go to canada and others to virginia.

I dealt with wali he was great but unfortunatly he went on vacation when my package was being put together and wrong parts were shipped. But after it got sorted out the engine itself is in great condition. Wali no longer works , he went to get his masters.

Doing the typical stuff before dropping the engine in is great. Timing belt, idlers, belt guide, valve cover gaskets, head gaskets, head studs, checking injectors, ect.

I am going to get a killer B pickup because I don't want to risk that breaking and popping the engine.

Overall I like the idea of getting the motor setup ready to drop in smart.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:08 PM   #2340
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Doing the typical stuff before dropping the engine in is great. Timing belt, idlers, belt guide, valve cover gaskets, head gaskets, head studs, checking injectors, ect.

I am going to get a killer B pickup because I don't want to risk that breaking and popping the engine.

Overall I like the idea of getting the motor setup ready to drop in smart.
For the prices the vendors are asking now days, I'd send that motor back if i knew I'd have to replace head studs and head gaskets. If you are looking for piece of mind, you might as well resurface the heads while you're doing the full tear down.
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for sure^^^ i dont plan to tear the heads down and put new studs in. it would put the engine cost near 5k dollars then if you do everything listed. the basics yes because they are easier with the engine out. i know two guys that put used sti blocks with 75kish miles on them and didnt replace anything like that and have yet to have problems. i mean the engine is either in good shape or ****ty shape and needs a rebuild. if im going to rebuild an engine ill just buy a closed deck 2.2 and build that for cheap.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:51 PM   #2342
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So basically THERE ARE NO GARUNTEES to the quality of the motor before you start it up within the 30 day window? No?

Hum i dont know........but that is .....risky
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Yep. Here's to hoping my stuff isn't snookered up. I was pretty confident in my choice, seeing this stuff makes me nervous.
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For the prices the vendors are asking now days, I'd send that motor back if i knew I'd have to replace head studs and head gaskets. If you are looking for piece of mind, you might as well resurface the heads while you're doing the full tear down.
This....

$4000 and I have to tear it apart? No thanks.
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So basically THERE ARE NO GARUNTEES to the quality of the motor before you start it up within the 30 day window? No?

Hum i dont know........but that is .....risky
The 30 day window is way too short, especially for how much they are charging for the engine. Even if you were on top of it and get it in the car, sorted, and then tuned. You still don't have alot of run time with the motor, before the time is up. So I agree, it is risky.

A 60-90 day window is more realistic, but honestly I don't think these shops really plan/want to warranty any motors, hence the ultra short time period. Basically it's there just to provide you with a slight peace of mind, before purchase.
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Yep. Here's to hoping my stuff isn't snookered up. I was pretty confident in my choice, seeing this stuff makes me nervous.
Ditto, here's hoping the engine I ordered today comes in pretty good condition. I don't mind doing timing belt, pulleys, water pump, spark plugs, new valve cover gaskets for peace of mind though.
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Took me 2 days to drop the motor in... Tuning took some time as we had trouble connecting to the ECU, and then getting the AVCS stuff working. I agree 30 days is short, but perhaps you may be able to talk to the vendor over phone and as them BEFORE you buy if you can get the warranty extended to 60 days? I am sure they could work something out, especially if you talk about your plans, who is gonna do the labor, and who is tuning the thing. Vendors aren't always heartless gold diggers, they want a good reputation too. They wouldnt wanna F you over with a junk motor...

At the same time, through vendor's perspective, they also dont want some punk buying their motors and within 30 days bring it to the track to have the living piss beaten out of it without a tune, and then ask for another free motor.
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I am going to get a killer B pickup because I don't want to risk that breaking and popping the engine.
Is this an issue with the JDM Motors?

Also, I agree that the 30 days is way too short. Mine arrived with cracked timing covers, a nicked belt and a destroyed intercooler, which all made for extra work/parts sourcing. However, the company I dealt with asked for pics of the damage and then issued a partial refund. Also, I was told the engine had 15,000 miles on it and it looked brand new. If it looks old/not well maintained, then it probably is.

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At the same time, through vendor's perspective, they also dont want some punk buying their motors and within 30 days bring it to the track to have the living piss beaten out of it without a tune, and then ask for another free motor.
Or leave it sit outside for 25 days then throw it in. I understand that they are just trying to get the motors installed as quickly as possible in order to determine if there is a problem, but it is still too short a time.
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I feel like.if you guys want warranty or something then go.buy a brand new engine. Your buying used items... Same thing with used items off a private seller. You don't get warranty. The company that is selling these engines could easily say they don't give warranty becuase they also have no idea what condition the engine is in... They know just as much as you. It's a risk for everyone and them.giving you 30 days is nice on their part. Go.to a junk yard and you don't get a better warranty.... So either take the risk or don't. You could buy a new 205 short block for 1800 brand new.

I bought my 207 recently without a warranty and I didn't change a thing on it. Just dropped it in and started tuning. I'm having no problems with it and I'm boosting 21psi on the Vf30. It doesn't look pretty but it works.... Just my .02 :/
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Opposite - that's awesome you got such a new looking motor.
I've called several vendors looking for a replacement and the customer service is just horrible.
They do not listen (or don't care) to what you are saying. I tried my hardest to explain to them what I'm looking for (and willing to wait for) and they just don't care.

I would happily pay an extra grand to get a "cherry picked" motor - but not one vendor is willing to do it. Unbelievable - I guess I'm in the wrong business.

The vendor I purchased my motor from is probably the largest vendor here on NASIOC - and so far it's been like pulling teeth to get my refund.

They said they would pay for return shipping, i asked for it in an email, so I had proof, then the email came and they didn't mention the return shipping cost. So I'm back on the phone tomorrow to try again.
At this point I cannot recommend this vendor - and if he screws me over, believe me, I'll do my best to make sure everyone on nasioc is aware of it.
I would hate for anyone to have to go through what this headache has been.

If anyone knows of a vendor that is willing to provide customer service, please let me know. I just want someone to understand what I'm looking for. Utterly frustrating that I'm trying to give someone $4000, for just a little bit of legwork, and they won't do it.

What did your engines look like when they showed up?
I mean, if someone says my engine has less than 30K, I expect to see an engine that is nearly new - am I wrong? It shouldn't look like it's been sitting outside in Florida for years.....

BTW - does anyone know if the cam sprockets have to be removed to replace the rear timing covers?
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