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Old 09-11-2006, 01:26 PM   #1
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Default Awesome weekend at Pacific Raceways in Seattle!

last Friday four of my buds went down to Pacific Raceways for a 2 day driver education track course, hosted by Porsche Club of America and a BMW club.
It was an absolutely amazing time and I learned so much about my car, it's strengths and weaknesses.
The course was amazingly fun and challenging!

http://www.pacificraceways.com/image...lity_title.jpg

The list of cars we brought down:

BMW 545 1991 group C
Rx 8 2004 group C
Honda Civic 1991 group C
Honda CRX 1992 group D
WRX 2002 group D

So the "magnificent five" pull up into the paddock after a cursory tech inspection and holy crap! There's a black porsche cayman s next to us, a gray cayman s in front of us, at least 5 porsche gt3's (385 HP, but ugly as sin wings!), an acura nsx rolls out of a trailer behind us, and a grey ferrari, cant'remember which one, but quite new! Not to mention at least 10 BMW m3's a couple of m5s, some older porsche turbos, at least 4 or 5 carreras....A few more RX8's, a brand new lotus and a few other cars, total of about 80 cars, 98% which are nicer and faster than ours!! Anyways, we got a few looks, and felt quite out of place!!

After the driver's meeting, A group gets going and it's insane on the straightaway. There's this green older porsche that sounds like a TIE fighter, and this black porsche with 2 huge turbos which sounded like a jet fighter trying to take off.. I'm not kidding! From the parking grounds you could hear this thing as the turbos spooled... it was INSANE!!!

The days were to be divided into four sessions A,B,C,D then repeat four times. Turns out the driver of the NSX was my buddy's instructor and man, you should have seen the look on his face when he saw my friend's POS civic!!!

The track layout was so fun!
Turn 1 is a blind corner high speed turn onto a straight, you go down the straight as fast as you can through a bit of a kink, ending up at your top speed (about 170 for me) accelerating into turn 2.

Brake hard for turn 2 a wide, seemingly never ending sweeper, then towards your apex then downhill as hard as you can downshifting and slamming on your brakes to get ready for turn 3A and 3B.

Down to about 25 sweep around right hitting your mark for 3A, setting up for 3B, slow in fast out, then uphill as fast as you can redlining it straight over a crest, then a slight drop, then up again (turn 4).

Hit your brakes, hug the fogline to set up for 5A and 5B, turning in close then straight at the cone ignoring the wall of dirt behind it, right turn to 5 B and then left again! Turn 6

Keep it on the right side and another long sweeper, turn 7! Hit the brakes, trail braking and turn towards your apex heading left and getting ready for the straight again!! Turn 8 and 9!

Oh man, 2.25 miles of pure adrenaline!

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That slowed everyone down a bit and we are forced to miss our fourth session due to lack of time.

Second day is much better, we're all improving our skills, driving the line and getting to push our cars towards their limits.


Anyways, 2 days of racing er.. i mean, driver education and I gained a ton of insight on what i want to improve in myself and possibly in my car although my first instructor suggested that to drive even near the limit of the car, I had a lot to go so it would be a better idea to do more track days, get to be a better driver and THEN do a few mods, which make sense!

So, my review of my almost stock WRX with new hawk hps pads and stainless steel lines; Pirelli P Zero Neros.

First off: the hawk pads gripped great and I never suffered brake fade at any time. But, holy brake dust!! These are really dusty pads if you use em hard!! Be warned!
Secondly: Suspension needs a lot of work....Lots of body lean all over the place and body lean slows you down!!
Thirdly: Almost every car out there had more horsepower than me... so, probably need a cobb stage 2 sometime to make the straights more even!
Fourthly: The exhaust is really so quiet that I could barely hear it on the camera we had mounted in the cars...
Lastly: Street tires suck on a track... I had a line of melted rubber on the outside of my Pirellis.. they got so damn hot that when I drove back to my spot there would be rocks imbedded in the tire! I've got the pictures to prove it!!

The car performed well! She sucked up everything I threw at her and I know I could have got a lot more out of her if there hadn't been slower drivers in front of my in certain areas and the all wheel drive helped out on certain turns. I wish the car was a bit lighter, more powerful in the straights, and with R compound tires, I'd be sticking those corners like glue! Man, it is scary going into a corner at 190 (in my instructors car)... you gotta have good brakes and I'm already thinking if I go more power, I have to have better brakes... don't want to end up on the greyhound home! Suspension needs a lot of work.. my friends could see the car leaning, but the lean also lets a novice driver know what they have to work on. Smoothness and consistency.



Overall review: Great event put on my porsche club and bmw club. Would have been nice to see a few subies out, but i was the only one. Felt a little ripped off in group D as we seemed to get shafted on time on day one but hey.. it happens. Flag people were awesome on Day 1, on Day 2, they were dazed and confused.. i don't know if they were teh same group of if they knew what they were doing at all... maybe too much sun. Great instructors, some amazing drivers... really knew what they were doing!!

Would I go again?



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Old 09-11-2006, 01:35 PM   #2
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Wow that was a nice detailed post! Could definitely sense the excitement and fun you had! So what happened to that NSX and ferrari? Which turn did they crash at?
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Old 09-11-2006, 01:44 PM   #3
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you should come with us next time we go down to pacific raceways, we go every couple months for our track day
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Old 09-11-2006, 01:46 PM   #4
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Old 09-11-2006, 01:47 PM   #5
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you should come with us next time we go down to pacific raceways, we go every couple months for our track day


Definitely!! Unfortunately i think this year is done for them.. there's one more event in portland in october.

What are you running for track? tires, suspension, engine etc?
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Old 09-11-2006, 01:51 PM   #6
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Definitely!! Unfortunately i think this year is done for them.. there's one more event in portland in october.

What are you running for track? tires, suspension, engine etc?
yeah they're probably done this year since fall and winter's coming
what do u mean what am i running..on what setup?
stocks, coils+bars, and a 280whp wrx
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Old 09-11-2006, 03:10 PM   #7
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That's a fun track, better than Mission but a bit far for a day trip. The last track day I went to there somebody showed up with an Enzo!
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Old 09-11-2006, 05:17 PM   #8
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Would I go again?



Oh yeah!!
What a great post--I loved reading your description of the day! Sounds like a lot of fun .
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:20 PM   #9
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razy: Hey I was expecting you on the 4th, but I guess you had to be somewhere else.
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:28 PM   #10
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Sounds a bit out of control if 2 cars are written off and 1 is badly damaged. Lucky you weren't part of that. The organizers need to keep a better eye on people. Probably $100,000 in damage ...
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umm
when u get more experience
turn 1 i was doing 210kph (ave more than 200 unless there is slow traffic)

my friend's M3, miata and civic were doing 230 at turn 1

all in all...that track has much more fun than mission...we should join definitivedriving.com to go down some time...
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razy: Hey I was expecting you on the 4th, but I guess you had to be somewhere else.
yeah i couldn't make it cuz i had no tires =(

yeah we should all go down there next track day i heard a lot of subbies went on the 4th
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Old 09-12-2006, 03:56 AM   #13
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sounds so fun!! this is definately something i'd like to try in a rental... i mean lessons with car provided.
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sounds so fun!! this is definately something i'd like to try in a rental... i mean lessons with car provided.
i believe there is Lotus Elise available for rent....$200 for 30 mins with instructor, on top of the "registration" for the event...
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umm
when u get more experience
turn 1 i was doing 210kph (ave more than 200 unless there is slow traffic)

my friend's M3, miata and civic were doing 230 at turn 1

all in all...that track has much more fun than mission...we should join definitivedriving.com to go down some time...
Umm... ok.. I think only the advanced group A porsches with twin turbos were approaching that speed. The group B and C people were probably doing about 200 or so. Lots of slow pokes in my group so heading into turn 2 some people were braking way way early, so you couldn't keep the throttle on until the end, so I guess i could have got towards 200. But still, those M3's were killing me on the straights! I doubt a civic or Miata could approach that speed unless it had been seriously upgraded!


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Sounds a bit out of control if 2 cars are written off and 1 is badly damaged. Lucky you weren't part of that. The organizers need to keep a better eye on people. Probably $100,000 in damage ...
I don't think it was the organizers fault. They did stress safety over and over again... I personally think that a couple of guys were driving too fast over their limits.. and the ferrari driver shouldn't have been in group A either. It's funny, but they see you have a super expensive car so they want to bump you up a group... but that's another story for another day!


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i believe there is Lotus Elise available for rent....$200 for 30 mins with instructor, on top of the "registration" for the event...
yes they do have a lotus school available there if you got the money! Lots of microsoft and dot com richees out in seattle!

OT: What is up with the highways in Washington??? They frikin SUCK!!! I had to stop and check to see if I'd got a flat at one point, I was wandering all over the road!
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Old 09-12-2006, 02:15 PM   #16
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Umm... ok.. I think only the advanced group A porsches with twin turbos were approaching that speed. The group B and C people were probably doing about 200 or so. Lots of slow pokes in my group so heading into turn 2 some people were braking way way early, so you couldn't keep the throttle on until the end, so I guess i could have got towards 200. But still, those M3's were killing me on the straights! I doubt a civic or Miata could approach that speed unless it had been seriously upgraded!




I don't think it was the organizers fault. They did stress safety over and over again... I personally think that a couple of guys were driving too fast over their limits.. and the ferrari driver shouldn't have been in group A either. It's funny, but they see you have a super expensive car so they want to bump you up a group... but that's another story for another day!




yes they do have a lotus school available there if you got the money! Lots of microsoft and dot com richees out in seattle!

OT: What is up with the highways in Washington??? They frikin SUCK!!! I had to stop and check to see if I'd got a flat at one point, I was wandering all over the road!
when we go there's a miata that goes that speed into turn 2 that thing is ****ing fast
and yes I-5 road sucks ass except a couple parts..i got rock chipped to hell on the way there not even on the track yet
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Done the track a bunch of times on a bike. I was taught to aim the bike at the barrier and "don't worry" as you'll just get real close, but not hit it, but that's the line you take with your throttle pinned.

****.

Did you guys find the track mossy or with leaves on it at all?
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:37 PM   #18
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no, it looked like rain for a little on day one, but the track was dry and sticky! Doing that track in a bike would be pretty hairy for me!!
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:32 AM   #19
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Honestly I'm more scared of doing it in car, don't much like the "cage" thing trapping me, the very thing that protects as well I suppose. However, SIR or PR or whatever has lots of trees on the back area. Trees are ****ty to hit if your body is flying through the air.

Good job on taking your car to the track.
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wow crazy accidents man..

let see some pics!

last time at portland a viper was totalled..
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*ouch*

PIR's a fast track too. Last turn onto the straight?
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Very detailed post. Too detailed. These events live and die by the grace of the insurance carriers that cover these clubs. If the insurance companies get wind of this, track days like this will end and there will be no more fun. You were warned about this at the driver's meeting on Saturday and again on Sunday, yet you chose to make this post. Pretty irresponsible to jeopardize these events for everyone else.

For the record, my Miata is pretty seriously upgraded (219 rwhp), but I was only doing about 195 into turn 1. Still, pretty cool to have a GT3 driver come over and apologize for holding you up!
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Very detailed post. Too detailed. These events live and die by the grace of the insurance carriers that cover these clubs. If the insurance companies get wind of this, track days like this will end and there will be no more fun. You were warned about this at the driver's meeting on Saturday and again on Sunday, yet you chose to make this post. Pretty irresponsible to jeopardize these events for everyone else.

For the record, my Miata is pretty seriously upgraded (219 rwhp), but I was only doing about 195 into turn 1. Still, pretty cool to have a GT3 driver come over and apologize for holding you up!
but there is no insurance coverage when your car's on the track
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I know. I'm talking about the insurance coverage for the club, that protects the officers of the club from multi-million dollar lawsuits should someone be killed or injured. Without that insurance, a club would be insane to take that kind of risk. Would you volunteer to expose yourself to a $10 million hit so that other people can play on the track?
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Old 09-13-2006, 12:46 PM   #25
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Good point turboeric. I'll go back and delete those parts.

Anyone else consider deleting the parts regarding that. As I said, I posted that to warn my friends here of the dangers that do happen on track days to prevent something of that nature from happening again.

I believe that it was a lot more irresponsible for the people who were involved to be driving unsafely and past their limits!!!!

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