Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday April 20, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Miscellaneous > Off-Topic

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
View Poll Results: Which fate do you forsee for each GM and Ford?
Ford dies, or gets bought out, or merges 29 30.21%
GM dies, or gets bought out, or merges 36 37.50%
Ford survives, but barely clings to life 49 51.04%
GM survives, but barely clings to life 42 43.75%
Ford thrives, becomes a world class brand 13 13.54%
GM thrives, becomes a world class brand 14 14.58%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-15-2006, 04:57 PM   #1
FunkerVogt
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 4585
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Northern NJ
Default The future for GM and Ford

Just curious, what is the general consensus here for the future of both GM and Ford? Will they fold? Will they survive, but only after serious paring back? Or will they climb back to the top of the pack?

Pole cumming....
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
FunkerVogt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 04:59 PM   #2
BacDoc
Tone Patrol
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

If GM doesn't start upgrading their interiors from looking like a base cavalier they'll never make it.
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:00 PM   #3
FunkerVogt
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 4585
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Northern NJ
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BacDoc View Post
If GM doesn't start upgrading their interiors from looking like a base cavalier they'll never make it.

Do you think they will? Do the interiors of the Saturn Aura or even the new Impala offer any hope?
FunkerVogt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:03 PM   #4
Wergild
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 24957
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: PA/DE
Vehicle:
im explosion your
face my fist

Default

I'm not really sure. On a side note, last summer I was offered two internships, one with GM and one with ConocoPhillips. I was like hmm, do I want a job in company that is making record profits, or a job at a company that keeps laying off people, closing plants, and is losing billions per year?

It was not a tough choice.
Wergild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:05 PM   #5
BacDoc
Tone Patrol
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Funker View Post
Do you think they will? Do the interiors of the Saturn Aura or even the new Impala offer any hope?
I don't know. But I was trading my LGT in on a new Trailblazer SS when it came out until I climbed inside. Blah! Is the best word to describe it.
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:10 PM   #6
FunkerVogt
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 4585
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Northern NJ
Default

I agree that GM needs to spruce up interiors on all of their vehicles, not just a select few. That being said, the interiors have gotten better overall, but still have a ways to go.
FunkerVogt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:11 PM   #7
fuzzycuffs
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 32309
Join Date: Jan 2003
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Tempe, AZ (and soon Tokyo, JP)
Vehicle:
2003 Silver WRX
Who needs a car in Tokyo?

Default

I don't think the American government, no matter how much free-market crap they spew, would ever let GM or Ford go under. There would be some type of bail out, or at least enough to keep them stringing along, unprofitable and festering, for a long time.
fuzzycuffs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:16 PM   #8
BacDoc
Tone Patrol
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default



blah
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:16 PM   #9
wrigh003
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 13997
Join Date: Jan 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Birmingham, AL
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzycuffs View Post
I don't think the American government, no matter how much free-market crap they spew, would ever let GM or Ford go under. There would be some type of bail out, or at least enough to keep them stringing along, unprofitable and festering, for a long time.
That's why I voted that both will "barely cling to life."
wrigh003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:20 PM   #10
WRXXXual
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 67784
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: TAX HELL-Alexandria VA
Vehicle:
Now with 100% more
STI short block!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BacDoc View Post


blah
AGREED!
WRXXXual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:21 PM   #11
WRXXXual
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 67784
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: TAX HELL-Alexandria VA
Vehicle:
Now with 100% more
STI short block!

Default

something something ... www.thetruthaboutcars.com ... something something
WRXXXual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:21 PM   #12
Janq
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33246
Join Date: Feb 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Where ever I lay my hat is my
Vehicle:
1993 Legacy L+ AWD
Phoenician blue met./blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzycuffs View Post
I don't think the American government, no matter how much free-market crap they spew, would ever let GM or Ford go under. There would be some type of bail out, or at least enough to keep them stringing along, unprofitable and festering, for a long time.
Correct. ^^

Uncle Sam is deeply tied to GM in specific and I'm not just talking about the Presidential caddy fleet or Secret Service black Suburbans. Ford is similar.
I can easier see GM sellign itself to Ford alal Dodge to Daimler, but thats an extreme.
They'll continue to plod along is all...

- Janq
Janq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:21 PM   #13
markman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 93623
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: sometimes I poop too much
Vehicle:
then I get tired

Default

a friend of mine has a loaner car right now... it's a cobalt. i can say with 100% honesty that my 1990 Honda Civic's interior was 50 times nicer. My 1990 Civic also ran smoother and had more giddy-up (shorter gearing i assume).

it's sad that a brand-new car from the biggest car company in the world can't hold a candle to a 16 year old econobox.
markman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:23 PM   #14
Janq
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33246
Join Date: Feb 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Where ever I lay my hat is my
Vehicle:
1993 Legacy L+ AWD
Phoenician blue met./blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BacDoc View Post


blah
Yep.
The last and current Corvette is the same.

People keep saying in threads likr this that it's the fault of bean counters.
Thats bull. American designers and engineers have the suck, it's plainly obvious.
The finance dept. does not design steering wheels, dashes, buttons and consoles.

- Janq
Janq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:28 PM   #15
BacDoc
Tone Patrol
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janq View Post
Yep.
The last and current Corvette is the same.

People keep saying in threads likr this that it's the fault of bean counters.
Thats bull. American designers and engineers have the suck, it's plainly obvious.
The finance dept. does not design steering wheels, dashes, buttons and consoles.

- Janq

Corvette

blah
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:28 PM   #16
WRXXXual
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 67784
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: TAX HELL-Alexandria VA
Vehicle:
Now with 100% more
STI short block!

Default

What really gets me is that (for the most part) GM's auto/truckSUV interiors aren't just considered bad, in as much as they are more like a blatant **** you to consumers. The thing is, people still insist on buying the companies products.

My problem is that the Corvette Z06 is such a nice car, I may actually get one inspite of the interior. I call this personal problem of mine: Michael's Paradox.
WRXXXual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:28 PM   #17
lark6
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 2715
Join Date: Oct 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: where GW crossed the Delaware
Vehicle:
70 911T

Default



lark6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:30 PM   #18
WRXXXual
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 67784
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: TAX HELL-Alexandria VA
Vehicle:
Now with 100% more
STI short block!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janq View Post
Yep.
The last and current Corvette is the same.

People keep saying in threads likr this that it's the fault of bean counters.
Thats bull. American designers and engineers have the suck, it's plainly obvious.
The finance dept. does not design steering wheels, dashes, buttons and consoles.

- Janq
While that's true, they do mandate parts-bin sharing, which is why you'll see low rent equipment in a high end car.
WRXXXual is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:31 PM   #19
themarxist
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 104555
Join Date: Jan 2006
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Norman, OK
Vehicle:
1996 VW Passat Wagon
TDi White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BacDoc View Post

Corvette

blah
Seriously! That steering wheel is almost as awful as the shift knobs in the C5. Whoever designed those should be shot.
themarxist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:32 PM   #20
BacDoc
Tone Patrol
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXXXual View Post
What really gets me is that (for the most part) GM's auto/truckSUV interiors aren't just considered bad, in as much as they are more like a blatant **** you to consumers. The thing is, people still insist on buying the companies products.

My problem is that the Corvette Z06 is such a nice car, I may actually get one inspite of the interior. I call this personal problem of mine: Michael's Paradox.
The Z06 is the GM exception. While the interior lacks the overall value of that car makes it worth it. I would really like to have one someday before my Viper.

As I said before I loved the idea of the Trailblazer SS and was set to buy one until I got inside it. I think some the problem comes from getting out of my LGT which in my opinion has a very nice interior.
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:32 PM   #21
Janq
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33246
Join Date: Feb 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Where ever I lay my hat is my
Vehicle:
1993 Legacy L+ AWD
Phoenician blue met./blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXXXual View Post
What really gets me is that (for the most part) GM's auto/truckSUV interiors aren't just considered bad, in as much as they are more like a blatant **** you to consumers. The thing is, people still insist on buying the companies products.

My problem is that the Corvette Z06 is such a nice car, I may actually get one inspite of the interior. I call this personal problem of mine: Michael's Paradox.
Yep.

It's as though GM interiors are designed by Fisher Price or the people who make Power Wheels.
Everybody else in the world including tiny Subaru as well as Kia and Hyundai too can make better interiors than GM especially, and Ford too.
Why is that?!

- Janq
Janq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:33 PM   #22
jacobsen1_
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34474
Join Date: Mar 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: N. Kingstown RI
Vehicle:
2oo4 WRX PSM Sedan
2oo3 MINI cooper RED/WHT

Default

I voted survives, but barely clings to life for both... They will both have to drop some of the gazillion brands they own that can't help thier profitability and make cars people actually want to buy... Right now the only thing that tempts me with GM/Ford products are the prices when they are on the end of the year clearances because no one buys them at full price... The need to stick to that employee pricing and make nice cars, and fewer models and they'll be OK...

Give us the ford focus from the UK and people might actually buy a ford again, but when they make their best vehicle for a foreign market what do the expect... Also true with the cars they make for Aus/NZ...
jacobsen1_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:34 PM   #23
BacDoc
Tone Patrol
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

What kills me is my dream car/truck has always been the Syclone/Typhoon but when I look insode one I think "maybe the worst interior ever" and when I see GM cars 13 years later I think "they haven't learned a damn thing".




Well if GM is one thing they are consistant.
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:34 PM   #24
Janq
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33246
Join Date: Feb 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Where ever I lay my hat is my
Vehicle:
1993 Legacy L+ AWD
Phoenician blue met./blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRXXXual View Post
While that's true, they do mandate parts-bin sharing, which is why you'll see low rent equipment in a high end car.
Toyota/Lexus shares parts as does VAG and BMW/Mini too.
There is no excuse for GM.

The bottom line is they are less than mediocre.

- Janq
Janq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:36 PM   #25
WRXXXual
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 67784
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: TAX HELL-Alexandria VA
Vehicle:
Now with 100% more
STI short block!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janq View Post
Toyota/Lexus shares parts as does VAG and BMW/Mini too.
There is no excuse for GM.

The bottom line is they are less than mediocre.

- Janq
You know what? You are damned right! What the hell, GM?
WRXXXual is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Concession on U.S. Fuel Rules to Spare BMW, Mercedes, but Harm GM and Ford AVANTI R5 Non-Subaru News & Rumors 19 08-02-2009 04:13 PM
DSG now tuning GM and Ford vehicles dentsport NESIC Vendor Classifieds 52 04-07-2008 03:43 PM
GM and Ford products on the comeback FunkerVogt Off-Topic 57 07-14-2007 12:57 PM
GM and Ford plans - Newsweek johnei Non-Subaru News & Rumors 4 03-08-2006 12:03 AM
So what is the future of video and audio media? will DVD's and CD's be obsolete? Eric SS Off-Topic 26 09-21-2003 01:51 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.