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Old 09-17-2006, 03:58 PM   #1
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Default Brake pads, Rotors, Clutch ???

(1) The hawk pads I got last year are completly gone (squealing) they cost $400 and lasted 18 months & 50000km so I am really happy with them. The question, Is $400 a good price or have you guys found them for less locally?

(2) Another question is how do I pry the rotors off (the oem ones are too grooved to stay), The last time I did the pads I removed one front caliper but the rotor was still totally attached. The only thing I could see holding the rotor on would have been the big axle nut & I don't really want to have to remove it. I will if I have to but I have done brake work on all types of vehicles & the rotors usually just slide off once the caliper is removed what's up?. Maybe I just have to pry harder if not let me know.


(3) One more, My clutch is on it's way out. I don't need to upgrade as I like the feel & performance of the oem one. Will I only need the disk or the whole unit pressure plate, disk & throw out bearing anything else?. Is this a diy job?, How many hours is a clutch job supposed to take?. I'm going to call rr & dd tomorrow. I should have done it last week it'll probaly hold up for the track day but it would be nice to have a fresh one in there.

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Old 09-17-2006, 04:40 PM   #2
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(2) 8mm bolt.

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Old 09-17-2006, 05:12 PM   #3
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$400 for brake pads? is it the front and rear?
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Old 09-17-2006, 06:01 PM   #4
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(2) 8mm bolt.

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$400 front & rear.
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Old 09-17-2006, 08:05 PM   #5
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I thought you could get Hawk pads from Lordco cheaper than that...maybe it's different for the Brembos though?
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Old 09-17-2006, 10:04 PM   #6
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(3) At the very least, you will need a pressure plate, clutch disk and have your stock flywheel resurfaced. I'd replace the TO bearing while you're in there too - the one you have may be ok right now, but do you really want to tear the whole damn thing apart again over a $30 bearing? I think the OEM replacement comes with almost everything you need in one tidy package, but don't take my word, call up DD & RR and poke around on subarugenuineparts.com to make sure. As for the DIY part, I would suggest you have a look at the walkthroughs here an on scoobymods.com. If the work itself looks to be within your ability, then have a look at how much time it takes for other people to do it and triple it as a worst case scenario (remember, they may have done this before so they don't have to spend as much time figuring things out). If you can do without the car for that much time, I say go for it - it'll be a good learning experience for you.

As a reference, I have changed the clutch on my mustang a couple times and would have no problem doing it again, it's about a 10hr job for me with meal breaks and taking my time. However, even though I have all the tools to do it myself, it's pretty much a tossup for me whether I'd do the clutch on my WRX myself or pay someone else to install it.

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Old 09-18-2006, 12:11 AM   #7
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I am using Hawk HPS on my STi, I paid for around $350 intalled, and yea they are more expensive for STi than WRX.

As for the clutch, I have a combo of Excedy stage 1 clutch with ACT streetlite flywheel sitting in my garage right now but figured I still got quite a bit of life left on the clutch so I might be selling it. I don't think the stock one will be any cheaper than something like Excedy stage 1. I got quoted from DD that it will be around $2500+ to replace my clutch and upgrade to the 05 flywheel.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:15 AM   #8
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why what's the difference between 04 and the 05 flywheel? @chop2x
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:11 AM   #9
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That's about right chopchop.. I got hawks fro my wrx at lordco.. f/r for 155. Install 180.

400 for pads sounds really really expensive. unless they are the ceramic ones.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:17 AM   #10
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ghostfoot7, $150 and another $180 for installation = $330?
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$180 f/r pad included installation?
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:35 AM   #11
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Hawk Pads for the Sti are more expensive than for the wrx. Also it depends on which hawk pads you get.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:38 AM   #12
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http://videos.hspn.com/?videoid=44&catid=1

Watch this video. Its easy on a WRX and seems alot easier on a STI.
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:04 AM   #13
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ghostfoot7, $150 and another $180 for installation = $330?
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$180 f/r pad included installation?
If it's $180 just for installation... that's insane! I just did my brakes (Hawk HPS, btw ) and it's easy-peasy. You just have to pull out two bolts from each caliper and it's out - swap the pads, push the piston back a little to fit the caliper back over the disk and bolt it all back up. I spent ~3 hours on it just bacause it was my first time, but now that I know how it's done, I think I could easily do it in 2 hrs, maybe 1.5... Hell, $90 is waaaaaay better then what I make at my regular job, maybe I should get into doing brakes?
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:12 AM   #14
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^^ Good video Ernie! I just learned how to do the stainless lines, and bleed fluid as well
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:34 AM   #15
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why what's the difference between 04 and the 05 flywheel? @chop2x
I don't know any mechanical stuff, but from what I was told at the DD service center, I was told that Subaru upgraded the clutch for the 05 STi therefore the 04 flywheel won't work with it. I was planning to resurface the flywheel, if possible, to save some money. But the service advisor who gave me the quote checked and told me that Subaru no longer made the 04 STi clutch. In other words, all the 04 STi that requires replacement of stock clutch would need to get the 05 flywheel as well, no other choices

As for the Hawk pads, yeah the ones for STi are definitely more expensive, I believe it costed me around $260 for front and rear. It was the HPS that I got, not the HPS+ which is more expensive. ghostfoot7, the price for the pads seems about right but $180 for installation is crazy!! I paid around $70 or so for the installation, it was done in an hour or so too. Nothing that requires hours of work from what I saw, I guess the hardest part is just removing that pin? I don't know the stuff but it didn't seem that difficult.

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Old 09-18-2006, 02:57 AM   #16
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I am using Hawk HPS on my STi, I paid for around $350 intalled, and yea they are more expensive for STi than WRX.

As for the clutch, I have a combo of Excedy stage 1 clutch with ACT streetlite flywheel sitting in my garage right now but figured I still got quite a bit of life left on the clutch so I might be selling it. I don't think the stock one will be any cheaper than something like Excedy stage 1. I got quoted from DD that it will be around $2500+ to replace my clutch and upgrade to the 05 flywheel.
Is that $2500 including oem parts. Ouch!!

Hey chopchop how much did your clutch & flywheel cost you? or how much might you sell it for?.
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Old 09-18-2006, 05:28 AM   #17
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Some ppl use stock pressure plate & sports clutch disc on their Honda & VW as far as I know. I don't know if u wanna give it a try. It MIGHT end up cheaper than getting the whole OEM assy from Subaru. OEM bearings is a MUST though.

Try to get some Ferodo DS2500 pads if u can. I've experience on Project Mu BESTOP/Endless NAS/Hawk HPS&HP+/Ferodo DS2500 myself. And I gotta say the DS2500 is the best I had so far. They didn't even squeak ONCE after I used it on & off the road course. Braking performance & pedal feel are both the best compare with all the others above.....
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Old 09-18-2006, 08:48 PM   #18
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^^^^ Thanks for the video Sp00lin

It LOOKS like a easy job...but i scared I will do something wrong and end up with can't stop my car................................ lol
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Old 09-18-2006, 09:27 PM   #19
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Is that $2500 including oem parts. Ouch!!

Hey chopchop how much did your clutch & flywheel cost you? or how much might you sell it for?.
Oh it was the price including installation which was estimated for about 7 hours. Just the OEM parts (bearings, clutch, flywheel etc) came up to around $1300 before tax I believe, I forgot to write it down but I remember the stupid flywheel bumped the price up.

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Old 09-18-2006, 10:24 PM   #20
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Justin,

I have an 95 STI clutch and flywheel in my car. When my clutch started slipping I grabbed a couple hundred buck six puck disk from rocket rally and ..... well you know how my clutch works. This is two rallies later.

and I really like my D905M pads from lordco. 50$ front. 50$ rear. Bling. Bling.

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