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Old 09-19-2006, 03:29 AM   #1
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Default Cons of P zeros or Toyo Proxes 4??

I have heard enough good things about these two tires So what's bad about these two? That will probably help me decide which one to get instead of reading all the great things about it.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:00 AM   #2
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From what I can tell, the P Zero is a little bit better than the Proxex 4, but also costs more.

I bought the Toyos and I'm happy.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:00 PM   #3
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They both are not great in winter conditions for an all-season. Basically sacrafice winter traction for excellence otherwise.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:13 PM   #4
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I had the Proxes4's so I can vouch that they're not great in snow. They also wore out quite quickly - I got about 30,000 miles on them before the tread got so low they started to hydroplane badly.

When they were new, and on pavement, they were a great tire.
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Old 09-19-2006, 05:56 PM   #5
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i can say the exact same thing about the p zeros Howl said about the proxes, started out great but wore down super fast.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:31 PM   #6
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Why is Proxes 4 so much cheaper? Is it just the brand?
How's the cornering in wet ?
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Old 09-20-2006, 12:46 AM   #7
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I run the Proxes 4. They're nice, performance all-season tires. They're competent and offer a good amount of comfort for a sport level tire. For the amount of tread on the road, I was suprised how well they felt and handled in the wet. There's a drop in grip, but it's not much. I've had mine on since last spring. I have a set of Nokian WRs for winter, so these will be coming off sometime near the end of October/early November.

Toyo Proxes 4
Pros:
-good dry grip and stable cornering, even into slip.
-wet grip was better than expected and feels confident even in a down pour.
-well-mannered carcass/sidewall that soaks up bumps without a lot of jolt or bounce.
-decently quiet, but a slight drone at speed, very livable but a hair quieter would be nice.
-handling feels good, not ultra crisp but responsive and taut.
-tread life seems decent enough so far, not outstanding at a passanger car tire level but good for a performance level tire. Seems to hold up well to agressive driving too; rubber doesn't seem to tear/chunk off like a standard all-season tire.

Cons:
-dry grip was slightly less than I'd expect for a high performance class tire(even an all-season one)
-slightly intrusive road noise, acceptable but silent is better

My tires basically came free with the wheels with only one summer of use, so I can't complain too much. Would I replace them again with Proxes 4 tires? If the price was right. However, for a summer only tire, I wouldn't mind a little more perfromance. No personal experience with the PZero Neros, but people tend to like them a lot and test has shown very good marks as well. If I were to guess, I'd say they're a step up from the Proxes 4 in most ways.

Would my next tire be a PZero Nero? Tough call. There's a lot of good tires out there. The Potenza RE-01R sparked my interest, but I don't know if I'd want to step that far towards the upper echelon of performance tires. Car & Driver's tire shootout also showed Goodyear's Eagle F1 GS-D3 and a very capable and well balanced tire, and TireRack's test results confirm their performance level to be competitive with the other high performance options.

It would come down to the overall mix of properties that make the tire as a whole what it is. My perfered mix is different than your perfered mix. In terms of Toyo and Perelli alone, I'd really have to run the PZero Neros for a while to get an idea of how they compare. I'm sure some minor traits between both would show up and potentially pass judgement on one tire over another. If only from word of mouth from others, I'd kinda lean towards the PZero Neros as the "best" of the two.
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Old 09-23-2006, 03:15 PM   #8
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I run the Proxes 4. They're nice, performance all-season tires. They're competent and offer a good amount of comfort for a sport level tire. For the amount of tread on the road, I was suprised how well they felt and handled in the wet. There's a drop in grip, but it's not much. I've had mine on since last spring. I have a set of Nokian WRs for winter, so these will be coming off sometime near the end of October/early November.

Toyo Proxes 4
Pros:
-good dry grip and stable cornering, even into slip.
-wet grip was better than expected and feels confident even in a down pour.
-well-mannered carcass/sidewall that soaks up bumps without a lot of jolt or bounce.
-decently quiet, but a slight drone at speed, very livable but a hair quieter would be nice.
-handling feels good, not ultra crisp but responsive and taut.
-tread life seems decent enough so far, not outstanding at a passanger car tire level but good for a performance level tire. Seems to hold up well to agressive driving too; rubber doesn't seem to tear/chunk off like a standard all-season tire.

Cons:
-dry grip was slightly less than I'd expect for a high performance class tire(even an all-season one)
-slightly intrusive road noise, acceptable but silent is better

My tires basically came free with the wheels with only one summer of use, so I can't complain too much. Would I replace them again with Proxes 4 tires? If the price was right. However, for a summer only tire, I wouldn't mind a little more perfromance. No personal experience with the PZero Neros, but people tend to like them a lot and test has shown very good marks as well. If I were to guess, I'd say they're a step up from the Proxes 4 in most ways.

Would my next tire be a PZero Nero? Tough call. There's a lot of good tires out there. The Potenza RE-01R sparked my interest, but I don't know if I'd want to step that far towards the upper echelon of performance tires. Car & Driver's tire shootout also showed Goodyear's Eagle F1 GS-D3 and a very capable and well balanced tire, and TireRack's test results confirm their performance level to be competitive with the other high performance options.

It would come down to the overall mix of properties that make the tire as a whole what it is. My perfered mix is different than your perfered mix. In terms of Toyo and Perelli alone, I'd really have to run the PZero Neros for a while to get an idea of how they compare. I'm sure some minor traits between both would show up and potentially pass judgement on one tire over another. If only from word of mouth from others, I'd kinda lean towards the PZero Neros as the "best" of the two.

thanks for the write up!! that gave me a good idea of the toyo proxes 4, and take it into consideration
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Old 09-24-2006, 02:24 PM   #9
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toyo tires gets down!! i still have them on my stockers!
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Old 09-24-2006, 03:04 PM   #10
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the sidewalls on the toyos are too soft. not too great for performance driving.

the pzero neros are good tires but like to make a lot of noise (screech) when making hard turns.
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Old 09-24-2006, 04:23 PM   #11
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also love my toyo's...i have them on right now and they're a dream.
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Old 09-25-2006, 11:10 AM   #12
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Don't think you could go wrong either way. I've never used the Toyos but I've been running the Pirellis for about 14,000 miles now and am very happy with them. Excellent grip in the dry and wet (enough for my needs anyway), and so far wear seems normal, and I figure I should get at least 30,000 miles (or more) out of this set. No negatives I can think of.
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Old 09-25-2006, 11:41 AM   #13
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I previously had Toyo Proxes FZ4's (old version of Proxes 4) and they were great initially, but worn down and got noisy quite fast.

I had the similar debate regarding the Proxes 4's and Pzero Nero M+S. I researched them to death and ended up buying the the Pzero's 2 days ago. These tires are extremely quite and comfortable. I am still breaking in the new tires and haven't pushed them yet so I can't say much about handling. Also, I haven't noticed the tramlining issue talked about in the Tirerack reviews. Here are a few things that made the decision for me:

-Was able to get the Pzero's at the same price as the Proxes 4's (Work discount). Pzero's are at least $20-$30 more per tire.
-Pzero treadwear is 400 vs Proxes 4's 300
-Pzero's have 2 ply sidewall - better handling
-Alot of positive feedback on Nasioc and Tirerack for the Pzero's.

Good luck!
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Old 09-25-2006, 11:55 AM   #14
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I have run both and I found the Pirelli had a much stiffer sidewall and seem to give a bit better response until you air the Toyo's up a bit.

But the Pirelli's also seem to get VERY noisy as they wore down and I am anal about tire rotation. The Toyo's didn't get this noisy.

The toyo's had a better highway ride...probably because of the softer sidewall.
Both were exceptionally sticky for being all season tires.
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