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Old 12-11-2001, 01:33 PM   #51
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To those of you who say you shouldn't need to downshift into first, you must have never driven in really hilly areas.


Um, ever heard of San Francisco? Perhaps you've seen some of the roads here in the movies? How about the Santa Cruz Mountains? Roads with names like "Bear Creek", "Summit" and "Empire Grade" are how I get to my girlfriend's house several times a month.
As I've said before, I have no problem getting my car into first gear at speeds up to 15 MPH if I rev match. If you people cannot, document it with your dealer and get it fixed.
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Old 12-23-2001, 09:11 PM   #52
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i hope its not too late but i just emailed you....
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Old 12-24-2001, 01:40 AM   #53
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6 speed tranny, huh. get real bro. subaru is going to tell you to stick in your ass, as they should. All I have ever driven are manual tranny cars. I can't remember ever being able to shift any of them in to first at more than 10 mph. If you can't handle it, buy an auto tranny.
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Old 12-24-2001, 02:18 AM   #54
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I drive in stop-and-go traffic daily. (Seattle-Redmond on SR520)

I very occasionally downshift into first. The only reason I ever shift into first while moving is when I've been slowed down to a *crawl* on an uphill grade when the car ahead of me starts accellerating again. When I say crawl, I mean barely moving, certainly less than 5mph.

Even at this speed my WRX downshifts into first the way many previous cars I've owned do. It balks at it... It does not just slide into first, it takes quite a bit of time til the resistance drops and the lever will finally slip into gear.

Has anyone having shifting problems tried different transmission lubricants? My Miata is extremely sensitive to transmission oil. Oils which are too slick don't provide enough friction for the synchros...

I'm totally happy with the way my WRX shifts.
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Old 12-24-2001, 03:14 AM   #55
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this is not a wrx only problem, my 2.5ts does it as well. i have owned 4 manual cars before this and none of them did this, because the synchros were working properly, and obviously it is not in my ts. i seem to have more problems getting it into reverse though, 1st is a mild annoyance, occasionally reverse can be a real *****. anybody had that prob yet?
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Old 12-24-2001, 09:15 AM   #56
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i seem to have more problems getting it into reverse though, 1st is a mild annoyance, occasionally reverse can be a real *****. anybody had that prob yet?
i have somthing like that, its not too bad but you really have to slam it into reverse because if you just push it in then let off the clutch it will grind and pop right out...but it feels like its in....

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Old 12-24-2001, 11:21 AM   #57
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My WRX is probably the most sensitive car I have ever driven in terms of downshifting into 1st. At this point I guess I would say that any car has a combination of great points and good points and a few not so wonderful points. Overall the WRX is a hoot to own and drive. Yes, I feel that "all things considered" the overall transmission element is the "weakest link" but my current (personal) strategy is to "put up with it" until "down the road" I switch into an STi 6-speed setup. GoodFinder
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Old 12-24-2001, 11:57 AM   #58
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I'm going to weigh in here...

In cold weather (less than -10 Celcius) shifting into first is very difficult; it takes a very hard push to get into 1st. This is for nothing more than going into 1st at a stop, say 5 mph. But in truth, my '98 Legacy GT was the same.


I suppose you could argue that if you don't like it, don't buy it. But part of any major corporations quality improvement process involves listening to customer complaints and responding. Not "If you don't like it, buy a Honda".

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Old 12-24-2001, 12:07 PM   #59
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Good point. This is definitely one element that Subaru should listen to, indeed. GoodFinder
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Old 12-24-2001, 09:50 PM   #60
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i have somthing like that, its not too bad but you really have to slam it into reverse because if you just push it in then let off the clutch it will grind and pop right out...but it feels like its in....
FWIW - i find that if i depress the clutch all the way and then let it out slightly while trying to shift into reverse, it will go in, even if it balked when i tried to shift with the clutch all the way out.
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Old 12-25-2001, 04:44 PM   #61
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I think my reverse is doing pretty well. I had my ebrake on and the clutch all the way out and wasnt thinking too hard slammed it into reverse, no grind no nothin cept it stalled immediatly. =) oops!
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Old 12-26-2001, 01:06 AM   #62
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Well let me say this, I lived in Cincinnati for 4yrs and downshifted from 2nd to 1st a lot, more from 3rd to 2nd tho, that was a Probe GT, you could wind the gears out pretty good in those, but let me tell you this my friend has a 2001 BMW something XI, so its and AWD and ~180-190hp, It's tranny will let you do ANYTHING, I was going 70mph up a hill and missed 4th and put it into 2nd, hit the rev limiter hence the next morning car was hurting, the oil pump blew, then the engine blew on the way to the dealer, he was happy about getting a new engine at 10,000 miles though, hehehe, the BMW's have nojoke syncro's....
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Old 12-27-2001, 01:00 PM   #63
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do any of you think that i should go through the hassle of dealing with SOA about this. A lot of you seem to say that this is normal (downshifting into first being hard) All the people that I have talked to say that they don't know of any car that doesn't do that (there being a lot of resistance when trying to downshift into first) I know that I've had grinding occur when trying to downshift into 1st or 2nd with the clutch fully depressed when I wasn't even near exceeding the maximum speed of either of those gears. I'm now worried that if I don't get this so called problem fixed that it will only get worse and I'll ot of warranty coverage. Is this really related to the syncromeshing.
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Old 12-31-2001, 09:41 AM   #64
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my turn, my turn....

i see you all have the same problem as i do (i will be emailing you NIN) BUT.......can any of you do the following......

get you car warmed up....maybe a half hour of driving...nice and warm....go to a stop light and come to a complete stop. make sure you are in neutral and the clutch is out. push in the clutch and shift into first....as you try to wrestle the shifter into first you hear a *pop/grind/thump*. do you get that too? brought it to the dealer (lynnes in NJ) and they said there was noooooo problem. I changed service managers and went back 3 weeks later. now there's a problem they say. But they also say i voided my warranty by changing the tranny and diff fluids. they may not fix it...... what to do. what to do...
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Old 12-31-2001, 10:12 AM   #65
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if you did change the fluids and replaced them with the proper spec fluids, they cannot deny warranty service based on that. Its just like changing your own oil.
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Old 12-31-2001, 10:21 AM   #66
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Provided the fluids you used are within Subaru specs...
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Old 12-31-2001, 12:03 PM   #67
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I rebuilt my first Subaru transmission sometime around 1980 and have since then probably built 100 of them. Let me tell you, my new WRX is worlds better than any previous Subaru box! I'm amazed at how effortless it shifts especially when cold. Try shifting a cold early Subaru 4x4 trans and you will be amazed of the required effort to do so. In fact I completed a rebuild of an 84 4x4 this week with new syncro rings bearings and seals and it works like crap downshifting into 1st when cold but will go when warm if done so at a reasonable speed. The WRX box is light years better than the old set-up. I really do not think you will get anywhere with Subaru reps regarding this complaint. Lemon law does not cover normal characteristics which I believe to be the situation here. I work closely with factory reps on another car line and we deal with issues like this weekly. In most cases if the vehicle is behaving similar to like kind vehicles its normal. The fact that a good number of owners are experiencing this hurts your chances of any action. You may be dissapointed, the 6 speed update will never happen. When this new 6 speed arrives in any future Subaru products you can be assured many certification hoops will have jumped through! Please dont be angry at me I'm just being realistic as I deal with this stuff on a daily basis. Best of luck.
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Old 12-31-2001, 01:01 PM   #68
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Provided the fluids you used are within Subaru specs...
i bought the correct fluids from another dealer and lynnes wants me to provide a reciept...long tossed...lol
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Old 01-02-2002, 08:27 AM   #69
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dropped the car off this morning. i told my rep about what i had learned on this forum. let's see what happens..
NIN....did you get my email?
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Old 01-02-2002, 04:17 PM   #70
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The service manager was just giving you a load of BS. Because if they make less money on warranty service. So if they can convince you that its your fault and get your to pay for it they make more money. Plus most dealerships pay their service reps comission so they more they charge you the more they make.


This is one problem subaru should listen to and do something about. If you took all the posts about this first gear problem on I-club and put them all together it would probably amount to a few thousand pages.
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Old 01-02-2002, 07:01 PM   #71
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I took my 2002 WRX 4 times to the dealer. They replaced the diff, clutch, etc. and the problem is still there. I am currently talking with the subaru rep (but they are taking there time to get things moving) and may have to use the Lemon law depending on what they do. The noise came back 100mi after they made the last fix. Let me know if anyone else still does not have their car fixed, even after subaru's replacement parts.
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Old 01-03-2002, 01:32 AM   #72
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I havnt been able to get them to find anything wrong.. I had them check it last time I was there and they said nothing out of the ordianry. Should I try and leave it there overnight sometime? As the problems dont occur much when its been driven and the dealership is 150 miles from home.
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Old 01-03-2002, 02:15 AM   #73
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I almost killed myself twice the first two days I owned my WRX because I couldn't get the car into first gear, and trying to roll into second gear caused me to nearly stall out. The first time I was in the process of stopping at a stop sign and realized that I had a chance to go, was maybe going 5 mph (if even) and started to go (in second), almost stalled out, tried to get it into first, had to STOP in the middle of a 3 lane road to get it into first, slammed it into first finally (god, what a noise) and floored it to avoid getting hit by oncoming traffic. Luckily, it's got some acceleration power. ;-) That just should NOT have happened.

I love the car, but I can't even go over speedbumps anymore. My apartment complex has huge speedbumps that you can't go over any faster than a slow roll, so I usually put it in first after my front tires go over it. Now I literally come to a stop after the front tires go over as the second tires are going up the bump, then I can get it into first. Those of you asking why you would put it into first ever from second have never been to my parking lot. My old car (98 jetta GLX) could go from a dead stop in second gear, so it wasn't such an issue, this car has to be rolling quite fast to be able to go in second gear.

I'm glad to hear that others are having this problem, I'm going to call my dealer on Monday, definitely. I'm turning into a granny driver, afraid to go if I'm not at a complete stop or going at least 20 mph in second, and where I live (metro area) it's stop and go very often. And god, those speed bumps, they're like a foot high. heh.

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Old 01-03-2002, 03:12 PM   #74
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In response to Isit24 who told the story of his freinds BMW mishifting into 2nd gear and subsequently blowing the engine and the oil pump etc.. I did the same thing in my WRX while driving on the highway.. i hit redline in 3rd gear went to shift into fourth and pulled 2nd by accident(hit a bump) and the ej20 hit almost 7,600rpms when i popped the clutch out.. i immediatly put the clutch in and put the car in neutral.. got a CEL and drove home.. the next day the CEL went off, and its been fine ever since then.. that was at 5,000miles now i'm at 15,250k..i'm suprised the BMW fell apart like that..

Also, i find that if i can't get my car into reverse or first gear i have to either 1. pump the clutch once while in neutral or 2. try another gear and then go to neutral and then 1st or reverse which seems to align everything right
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Old 01-03-2002, 03:20 PM   #75
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re: love the car, but I can't even go over speedbumps anymore. My apartment complex has huge speedbumps that you can't go over any faster than a slow roll, so I usually put it in first after my front tires go over it. Now I literally come to a stop after the front tires go over as the second tires are going up the bump, then I can get it into first. Those of you asking why you would put it into first ever from second have never been to my parking lot. My old car (98 jetta GLX) could go from a dead stop in second gear, so it wasn't such an issue, this car has to be rolling quite fast to be able to go in second gear. >>>>>>>>>>

That's strange. I can start my car from a dead stop in second gear. In fact, in street traffic I sometimes do 2/4 upshifts.
Of course you have to slip the clutch a little, but nothing ridicules
or annoying.

One thing i've found is the hydraulic clutch really doesn't have the best feel. It's hard finding the catch point.
I didn't like it when I 1st got the car, but I've gotten used to it.

If you're sure you can't get the car going from a stop in 1st, and
can't downshift into 1st, go to your dealer, make them do it, if they can't then it proves somethings wrong and the car is undrivable.

I agree though you should be able to downshift into first if you're
at 5 - 10 miles per hour.

Do you know how to double clutch? In theory, you should be able
to double clutch your way into 1st at any legitimate 1st gear speed. The tranny is being spared and there is no more
where on it than if you were starting from a dead stop.

I've had some situations where I was caught in really bad traffic
in the right lane at 5 - 10 miles per hour, had to squirt into a
small opening in the much faster left lane.
This situation calls for no ***** double clutching.
I've tried to work on my double clutching to the point where i'm
confident that I can do it in an emergency. It takes time, and
i'm still not all the way there yet.
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