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Old 01-03-2002, 04:08 PM   #76
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Default No problems.

I'm able to shift to 1st from second at anything below 20mph. I always double clutch because I hate the lurch if you don't.

I experience a little resistance going into first from a standstill or from 2nd to 1st, but nothing too bad and no grinding at all ever!!

I ocasionally get a little graaaunch or resistance going into reverse.

I bought my car on November 1st. I wonder if this was a problem with the first couple of manufacturing runs on this car?

Overall I love my little blue WReX, it's by far the best car I've ever owned.

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Old 01-03-2002, 08:22 PM   #77
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I've read and heard that you don't need to double clutch on modern cars (synchro) when shifting to whatever gear...
It seems there is a problem with the WRX trans...
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Old 01-03-2002, 09:16 PM   #78
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One reason that I haven't yet seen mentioned as to why one would want to go from 2nd to 1st with any kind of speed is AutoX. You slow for some sharp turn and drop waaaay out of 2nd's power band, so you try to get into 1st for more power. (I could be letting my AutoX inexperience show here....) I have found the WRX, or at least mine, to be _extremely_ resistant to going into 1st at anything more than the slightest of speed.

Approaching stoplights that turn green at the last second is another one, but I think that has been mentioned already.

Can somebody explain to me exactly what a double-clutch is? It might be something I do already without realizing it, but if someone told me to go out and demonstrate what it is, I wouldn't know what to do!
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Old 01-03-2002, 11:18 PM   #79
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Can somebody explain to me exactly what a double-clutch is? It might be something I do already without realizing it, but if someone told me to go out and demonstrate what it is, I wouldn't know what to do!
A double clutch downshift is used to spin the input shaft of the tranny, to greatly reduce wear on the synchros. Clutch in, gear selector to neutral, clutch out, blip throttle (to approx rpms in next lower gear), clutch in, gear selectror to next lower gear, clutch out.
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Old 01-04-2002, 09:52 AM   #80
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I am new to the WRX and love it but I have noticed that the shift into 1st and reverse is really tough. I have also noticed that all of the synchros tend to be tight. I do love the notchiness but the sychros need work. I used to have a Ford Contour that had tight and difficult sychros, especially when cold. The solution was to add friction modified from ford or to replace the fluid with a syntechic ATF, like redline or funny enough Chrysler ATF-III. THat helped wonders, especially when cold and caused no problems. I am wondering if this will help this problem. What are the subaru guidelines for the tranny? Their fluid may be too thick and causing this problem. I am exploring this ASAP cause this is the only thing I don't like and should be easy to fix.
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Old 01-04-2002, 03:21 PM   #81
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Alright so i'm just being mean at this point, but hey.... you guys will still love me right?

1. My subey DOES have an issue going into first from second, double clutching or not... if i am rolling higher than 5MPH I get that painful sounding grrrraaauuuuuup shift into first. I even have times where from a cold start I can't get the car into first, so i have to jack with the tranny, clutch a few times, go into second first, then first, etc.

Here's the mean part, and maybe i'm just a retard. This has been the case with EVERY MT car i have ever driven with the exception of some very few high dollar guys.

Subaru does claim that the 5MT is fully synchro'd and sometimes I begin to wonder, it sure acts a bit more like a dogbox (not quite that rough though) - Maybe it is a warranty issue, maybe I'll have my car looked at this upcoming Tuesday while I'm in for some other stuff....

2. I had a ducati 996 that I could slam shift to first at about 72 and cause a partial tire lockup for some REALLY cool lookin tail slides hehe... how come my subey can't do the same? Well - I do think that a lot of this is attributed to the nature of AWD vehicles. take a trip with me if you will. As a former supra owner, I abused the CRAP out of that transmission. More than once I dropped it into first at 60+ MPH while cornering, causing not a lockup slide but more like an ABS on the rear only slide.... pretty controlled However, driving a supra is very much like driving a pickup truck in this regard, most of the drive train weight is in the front, the rear tires slide easy enough, etc... Not really that big of a deal. However let's just suppose that I COULD do that with a subaru - and at 60MPH i throw my not so shiny blaze yellow WRX into first, the nature of the mechanical AWD is that all my wheels are going to WANT To spin a the same speed - not such a huge deal, However this is PURE TORTURE for the engine because the weight of the car, and the traction of all four wheels gripping the road means that sliding the tires to prevent 10k RPM revs on the engine won't happen.... THEREFORE I think you have to conclude it's designed to at the very least prevent this type of behaviour (where the duck and supra didn't really make much of a deal out of it, they just started to slide).

If you live in an area that has snow, you can get a better idea of this. Borrow a friends RWD front engine car (or pickup), get up to 30mph or so in a parking lot, downshift to first (it will probably let you) and let go of the clutch, what happens to the RPM? they stay around 1500-2500 because the rear tires basically lockup. Now hop back into your subaru and do this.... The result on ice or snow is basically the same but you'll notice the RPM on the subey will climb faster because the nature of AWD is that all the traction of the drive wheels (all 4, rather than 2 in the rear) are going to convert that to RPMs in the engine. Now imagine if the cohesion were on dry pavement. In the 2WD vehicle the result would be nearly the same, the car would slow down quicker because of more friction and RPM would come up quicker but above a certain speed the rear would still lock up or skip. In the sube because you will have dry pavement and all four wheels applying their traction to the drivetrain you won't slide AT all and RPM's will just from 1000 to 6000 in a split second.

Not sure how else to explain this. this could also be demonstrated on snow or gravel if you were to accelerate to near redline depress the clutch and let RPMs fall then release the clutch... 2WD=lockup AWD = convert all that inertia back into RPMs

However.... All that being said, designed that way or not, I do think the Subaru should be able to switch into first from ANY gear (rather than rowing through all 5) at any speed with in the gearings range (I believe like 34 or something is redline in 1st? though that sounds pretty low)... That to me would be fully syncrhomeshed, however I have adapted my driving style (not so much just because of the subey) to match RPMs or double clutch whenever I drive ANY MT so I guess it's not such a big deal for me. I have even thought about going to a 6MT dogbox because I do this by second nature... but it sure would be loud.

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Old 01-04-2002, 04:12 PM   #82
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2. I had a ducati 996 that I could slam shift to first at about 72 and cause a partial tire lockup for some REALLY cool lookin tail slides hehe...
72 mph?

so, you are telling me that, hypothetically speaking, you are at, say 3000 rpm in 5th gear (assuming it is a 5MT), slam the shifter into first and your engine DOESN'T explode? Most cars would be in the 20k+ rpm range in first gear at that point...Since most 4 cyl engines redline in the 6k-8k range, that is, in a word, bad. Did that Ducati have some sort of failsafe? If I were to do that on any MT I've ever driven, my transmission would literally drop out onto the ground and my engine would throw the pistons through the engine block.

Perhaps there are some basic car mechanics I don't understand here, but this seems like bs to me.

Or, perhaps, I have been bitten by a troll and I'm the fool.
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Old 01-04-2002, 09:30 PM   #83
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Or, perhaps, I have been bitten by a troll and I'm the fool.
lol

PS my entire tranny is being replaced.

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Old 01-05-2002, 02:03 PM   #84
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Just an update, I had the shifting problem at a little over 2,000 miles with my WRX. The dealer said the syncros, both 1st and 2nd needed replacing. They did the repairs under warranty, and it helped a lot. Now, at about 5,000 miles, it is starting to get hard to shift into first again. Since the repairs, I have driven like an old lady, only shifting to first at under 5mph.

I've own 3 other manual cars now, one has over 300,000 miles.
(a Ford) you can downshift to first at up to 15-18mph, as smooth as silk. Original tranny, has never been gone into. There is something wrong with the Subaru. It's not my driving style.

They should recall them....
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Old 01-05-2002, 05:17 PM   #85
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Aaron:

Ducati is a motorcycle. the 996 SP was designed mostly as a street legal race bike. 67MPH in first gear was pretty easy to attain, so slam shifting into 1st at 72 while it would be a redline condition certainly wouldn't explode the bike by any means

Plus as i tried to explain lower in the post because there is little weight on the backend the tire woud just lock up and slide rather than convert all that back into engine RPM

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Old 01-08-2002, 12:43 PM   #86
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yeah - i've got the first gear shifting problem. sometimes double clutching helps, sometimes it grinds anyway. it's going in next week so the dealer can take it apart. the head mechanic was going to call SOA, but i was wondering what others' experiences have been, and if there's anything else i should tell him . . . let's get this *&%# problem solved.
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Old 01-08-2002, 08:00 PM   #87
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I too have the 2-1 grinding but not all the time. I thought this might be my driving but this is my second stick car and my last one did not do this. My last car was a saturn about half the price of my WRX. I would never trade back but if this is a legitimate problem I would just like it fixed. I will be emailing my VIN. A six speed STI tranny would sure be nice though! I can dream anyway!!
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Old 01-09-2002, 12:17 PM   #88
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Alright so I did like I said, took my car to the dealer complained about going from 2nd to first at any speed greater than 5mph w/o double clutching or rev matching. Dealer confirmed a problem in my transmission - And generally slandered the subaru transmissions as a whole... So needless to say I get a rebuilt tranny, should have it back today. Vroom vroom... Driving the Maxima just isn't cutting it... though it's pretty quick for a family sedan

I'll find out more about exactly what was fixed when I pick up the car, will let you all know.

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Old 01-29-2002, 10:11 PM   #89
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Well it has been about 7,000 miles since I got it back after the repacement of the 1st and 2nd gears and syncros. Guess what? I am going in tomorrow 1-30-2002 to have a regional service rep. drive my car. The manager of the service department as usual has been nothing but helpful. My car is in mint condition and taken care of above and beyond what is recommended. However, the tranny is grinding from second to first again. This time I think it is a new tranny rather then just a replacement of parts. I just hope that the new tranny has been re-engineered, I hate to say I am not holding my breath. I will keep everyone posted. I am also turning in a book that has all the e-mails and posts to this thread. I am also including a few of the other threads that are about the what seems to be more drivetrane issues i.e. tranny and clutch problems.

Just incase everyone was wondering what happend to me I was out of town for the holidays. Can you say ROAD TRIP IN THE SUBIE!!! here's a pic for those of you who care.

Remember please keep the e-mails comming, if you have already sent one there is no need to send another, unless you have new information for me, or if you just want to say hi.

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Old 01-30-2002, 08:29 AM   #90
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I wasn't worried about this on my WRX because my previous car, a 5 speed Mazda 626, always did this. I thought it was normal.
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Old 01-30-2002, 09:10 PM   #91
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Default I need everyone to do this for me.

The next time you get into your new WRX, I want you to get up to about 10MPH and put the car into neutral. I want you to then coast for a few feet then I want you to depress the clutch and try to slide it into first gear. Repeat this also at 5MPH. If your car grinds, guess what you have the problem. If not, consider yourself lucky.

At this point anyone who has not e-mailed me about this problem please do so.

I was told today that they would replace my transmission only if when I recieved the invoice I would have to sign it would say that they would not repair the car ever again for the same problem. I promptly told them NO that was not acceptable. I purchased the extended warranty for my car so I am covered to 75,000 bumper to bumper and I have 19,000 miles on my car.

I have also found out that the cause of this problem is a brass ring gear (I am guessing to the actuall part name but it is close to acurate) is the problem. I can only speculate that this gear is to soft and cannot handle the cars power. Therfore needs to be redesigned possible out of another material that won't wear as easily.

My cousins' dealer told him they would not fix the car under warranty and if he did fix it there is would be over $2000 and that they would give him a 12 month 12,000 mile warranty on the repair. Sound fishy to anyone else.
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Old 01-31-2002, 06:36 PM   #92
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The wide gear spacing and the way the input shaft drives the low gear synchros is the source of the problem.
Umm, not to sound stupid, but could you explain that one to me? The part about the input shaft driving the low gear synchros, I mean? If your input shaft is driving your synchros, YOU GOT A PROBLEM! If you are thinking of the gear teeth on the 1-2 synchro sleeve, you are thinking of reverse driven gear.
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***, It gets tiring sometimes seeing the same recurring threads that lead to griping about the WRX trannies.
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"Then don't read them. If your tranny is good, ****. "

Yeah, Keith99RS, how DARE you say something that goes against the collective whining.......
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Old 02-03-2002, 07:32 AM   #94
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I've had the 2nd -> 1st downshift problem since <2000 miles (I'm at 7800 now), but I never got around to taking it in to the dealer. I've also had a loud chugging/thunking engine noise when the engine was cold and at low revs. At first I thought it was normal, but it's gotten worse and now does it sometimes happens even when the engine is hot. So I broke down and took it in last Thursday.

Surpise, surprise, the 1st/2nd synchro is being replaced and the replacement parts aren't expected till midweek.

No word yet on the engine noise diagnosis.

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Old 02-04-2002, 02:16 AM   #95
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Default Don't let this post fall off the list

I need your support people if we are going to get this problem licked.

Here is a web site that will let you voice your opinion to the Center for auto safty.

http://www.autosafety.org/autodefects/SUBARU-What.htm

http://www.autosafety.org/complaint.html

Thank's
Nick

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Old 02-04-2002, 03:49 PM   #96
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Check your email. Never thought my first post would be in the warranty section.
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Old 02-06-2002, 10:20 PM   #97
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Nick, just sent you an email about my own tranny problem. The car's in the shop as we speak. It's a different problem than you guys are having (pops out of first gear when you let off the gas in parking garage type situations), but it too is having gears and synchros replaced. United We Stand!
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Old 02-07-2002, 12:05 AM   #98
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I tried to put my car into first gear today on an onramp(to highway) to have some fun merging, i was only going 10mph and it seemed like the shifter would not go into first; let clutch out, went to nuetral, put clutch in and tried to select first gear again and it seemed reluctant, then it went in with a grind.. the worst grind sound i've ever heard my tranny make. Everything seems to be in working order but if that keeps happening something is sure to break. Despite this problem i really enjoy the tranny, i went to track for first time and did some very quick shifting/driving and it was flawless.
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Old 02-08-2002, 08:19 PM   #99
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I've had the 2nd -> 1st downshift problem since <2000 miles (I'm at 7800 now),
Dealer confirmed the problem, removed the transmission, disassembled it, and found nothing wrong. The decided to replace the 1/2 synchro, and Subaru either recommended or required replacing the complete 1/2 gear set, which they did. I'm now able to downshift to 1st again. The service manager did recommend going easy on it, though.

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I've also had a loud chugging/thunking engine noise when the engine was cold and at low revs. At first I thought it was normal, but it's gotten worse and now does it sometimes happens even when the engine is hot.
Turned out to be the cam belt tensioner, which wasn't working right. They replaced it. Had the part in stock.

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Old 02-08-2002, 09:35 PM   #100
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I you can, get your old gears and synchro's from the dealer after they fix them and keep them in a box. I may need them as part of a case that is possibly going to be mounted on SOA. I greatly appreciate all that everyone is contributing to this post. Even with this problem I LOVE MY SCOOBIE!

Keep the e-mails flowing I am getting them it will only benefit all of us in the end. I won't stand for anything less then a recall on the gear box.

I have a friend who's WRX is having the same problem yet he is opting to change the gears with another manufactures gears to see if they work better I am going to document this and see what the out-come is. It may not be overnight but at least if and/or when this goes to arbitration I will have more proof of the inferior gears and synchro's that Subaru is using. The gear set he is going to use is fully synchromeshed and will be the same gear ratio's that Subaru has just stronger and NO BRASS!!!

I look forward to hearing from everyone,
Nick

P.S. I took 2nd place at the Central Florida Nationals in the Subaru devision YAY!!!
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