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Old 02-09-2002, 12:42 AM   #101
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Now at about 6500 I'm starting to get a little graunch every once in a while...hope this is not the problem you describe...I love my little Subie too..but if it needs new gears consumer pressure in the states will almost certainly make it happen!!!
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Old 02-09-2002, 09:15 AM   #102
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Just linking up my thread in here so that all issues can be documented in one thread.


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Old 02-15-2002, 02:07 AM   #103
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It's nice to see that the '..Subarus all do that..' '..it's normal..' '..don't downshift..' posters have shut the hell up and gone home. This thread was started to communicate with other affected owners, not start a discussion on whether it's really a problem, or whether you have undying loyalty for SOA.

I think we would all be well advised to pay careful attention to this topic, because these warranty issues are setting a tone and a precedent for future claims; transmission or otherwise.

You think you live in a hilly area, yet you never need to downshift to first? I live in a state full of fourteen-thousand-foot hills, and I have to shift to first several times on my 55-mile drive home from work. Right now it will reluctantly shift into first if I'm near standstill, which makes for some rapid tap-dancing on these gradients. The vehicle is at 8,000 miles. No grinding yet, but I'm wary of this problem and hoping that if my transmission gives up the ghost, it does it inside the warranty period.

Please keep us informed of how all these claims proceed. Thanks.

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Old 02-15-2002, 05:05 AM   #104
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I am glad to have your support.

I am making a very nice package to send to all the major networks, i.e. MSNBC, Date Line NBC, CBS, ABC, Car and Driver, Consumer Reports, as well as The Bureau of Consumer Protection.
I am also sending a package to SOJ, in hopes to make them aware of the way the company is handling it's customers in the US this car came here and is breaking sales records for Subaru and we are quickly being shunned. I DON'T THINK SO!


I am not playing anymore, my rep. had two weeks to call me back I gave her an extra 2 days. I had the dealership leave messages for her and still didn't get any response. This is the worst customer service I have ever received anywhere.

I really don't want to smear Subaru I just wanted this car fixed right. Now, I hope I don't make any problems for anyone else. I need you all to know what is going to happen will make it better for all of us in the end, yet may be slow to come, unless there is a major realization within SOA.

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Old 02-15-2002, 01:31 PM   #105
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I drove a honda civic last night and wow... um WHAT IS WRONG w/ our tranny? I could flop that gearbox all over the place like it was nothing. It's been years since I drove a stick prior to the WRX so I didn't remember much on how it felt, but after driving the civic I'm beginning to understand more on what you all have been saying. the honda shifts EASILY in to first at 20 mph... my WRX will fight me 75% of the time at any speed under 20mph.
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Old 02-15-2002, 06:18 PM   #106
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I've been down shifting into first @ 20+ mph for 23,000 miles and guess what my transmisson is in perfect health. If you learn to double clutch the transmisson will easily slip into first gear without a single complaint. As far as this being normal, I've had 3 Imprezas since 1993 and they all have been reluctant to shift into first gear if I didn't double clutch. For everyone that is having trouble down shifting into first, double clutch it and you and your transmisson will live happily together.
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Old 02-15-2002, 06:34 PM   #107
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Yeah double clutching works but you shouldn't have to do it.
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Old 02-17-2002, 12:29 AM   #108
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I have the same trouble shifting into 1st, if my car is going fast then five miles/h. Also 5/10 have trouble shifting into fifth. I am hoping it will get better after a couple months; however I don't think so. It is my first subaru, but have driven many 5pds before. I think subaru needs to fix its problem soon. I will see dealer this monday. I install an after market short shifter and hope that does not void my warrenty. What do you guys think? subaru sucks big time if compare to my old 84 toyota supra becuase it shifts smooth like hell


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Old 02-17-2002, 02:30 AM   #109
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hey kids-

just wanted to let y'all know that i took my car to the dealer a couple of weeks ago and had the head tech drive it. we went on a 5 minute drive after which he said 'all right - i just have to order some parts.'

i just got my car back today with a new first gear assembly, new idler gear and shift rail for reverse (separate problem) and a new clutch assembly: about $2000 in parts alone, all covered by warranty. the moral of this story? i'm guessing that SOA is NOT the problem - they are more than happy to cover this (and other) problems under warranty. i figure that i am lucky - i have a great dealer (so far, at least. flemington subaru, for those that are interested.) for those of you who don't? call SOA and let them know that you're getting shafted, or try another dealer. i didn't have to do anything to convince the dealer that this was a problem or that it was a warranty issue. the best news? my car now happily downshifts (always with dbl-clutching) into first at speeds over a dead stop. FWIW, my dealer said that this was a very unusual problem in their experience.) good luck to the rest of you and hope for me that this fix lasts.
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Old 02-17-2002, 07:32 PM   #110
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Nick (and everyone else) --

i just figured i'd jump in here and comment on this problem, as my car has many more miles (102,xxx) on the transmission than anyone else in this thread.

i have the same problem, and it's very annoying having to drop the car into 2nd when rolling up to a light at 2mph, especially since my car is a little, as they say, "weaker" in the power department compared to the WRX. any grinds that may have occurred when trying to get it into 1st haven't affected the tranny yet.

however, none of the cars i've owned or driven like being downshifted into 1st, but they would reluctantly do it, provided you were gentle with it or double clutched. the VW i owned before my subaru had a full synchro racing box in it...this was something designed to be slammed around and abused, and yet it too could not be downshifted into 1st in the same manner as the other gears.

having said that, i CAN get my car into 1st during a slow roll, but it's usually more work than it's worth considering i'm not on a track. but my commute takes me through one of the rare hilly spots in central FL, and there are times that i really do wish i could get it to work easily and consistently. however, understand that this is more often than not the nature of the beast when driving a manual transmission, and if someone is going to rear end you for rolling away from a light a little more slowly, then that's THEIR problem. think about it this way, if that DOES happen, find a quack doctor to provide testimony for the lawsuit, and then you can definitely get that STi 6-speed and have change left over.

what do you people who live in colder climates do about starting up in 2nd gear in the winter? i've had to roll my car from almost a complete stop in 2nd hundreds of times, and never had a problem lugging the engine or stalling. as long as you know what you're doing, you should be able to drive the car in 2nd from a dead stop. if you're lacking in clutch technique, go into an empty parking lot and learn to get your car rolling without using the gas...then manuvers like slipping the clutch to get the car rolling in 2nd should be second nature (no pun intended).

i'm not taking sides on this, as this thread can be argued either way (manufacturer's defect or operator error), but the subaru trannies are a bit more finicky than the norm when it comes to getting them into 1st. just chalk this up as a quirk of the brand. motor journalists constantly complained for years about the clumsy action of ferrari's gated shifters (up until they started phasing them out for the F1 paddles), but it was pretty much considered a trait of the breed, even on a $100,000+ car.

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Nick -- BTW, how are the tanabe springs?
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Old 02-17-2002, 10:53 PM   #111
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I made the right choice in buying them I like the ride and the look of the springs. The car sits like a normal height car and has a better handling characteristic through turns. I think most of all I like that there isn't so much gap in the front fender well.

As for your argument about leaving the line in second gear. If you are referring to your 2.5RS I must remind you that you are driving a much different car and taking off in 2nd gear is a lot easier for you then those of us that drive WRX's because of the fact that we have less torque unless we are in the turbo.
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Old 02-18-2002, 09:18 AM   #112
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I know I am comming ina t the end of this thread but with some hydraulic slave cyl. vehicles it is possible to get an air bubble in them, this does not allow the clutch to fully disengage and then you will have more trouble getting into first on a downshift. Upshifting is usually not a problem because the engine rpms are on your side.....I am new to teh Subaru thing...btu hydraulic systems are all about the same....so I say try to bleed it or have someone you trust do it. If you want it done right ya just have to do it yoruself......
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Old 02-18-2002, 12:59 PM   #113
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If you are referring to your 2.5RS I must remind you that you are driving a much different car and taking off in 2nd gear is a lot easier for you then those of us that drive WRX's because of the fact that we have less torque unless we are in the turbo.
<---------------------- shhhhh...don't tell anyone...

no seriously, though i completely understand and agree with your poitn...subaru's engineers SHOULD be able to design a smooth operating tranny, but certain cars have certain "quirks"...hondas have great shift action, but would i be willing to put up with an engine that makes no power below 5 grand and a rubbery chassis to get that? of course not.

best of luck in getting this resolved. if people never speak up against poorly designed products, nothing will ever be done to remedy the situation.

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Old 02-18-2002, 04:10 PM   #114
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I was wondering if this problem is also true for us Legacy folk. I tend to be with the majority here claiming "it's natural" I have been driving sticks for a while, infact I have never owned an automatic out of my 8 cars. Yet I don't remember avewr having a problem going into first, infact I don't ever really remember downshifting into first ever. (except at a stop )

So after reading this thread, then trying to downshift this past weekend, I wonder if I too have the same problem, because I can not get into first unless it is like 2MPH or lower.

So, should I take mine into the dealer for this same problem? Or is it covoered?
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Old 02-19-2002, 04:11 PM   #115
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Hey Boys,
Those (why do you have to downshift into first?) really upset me. I feel as long as your not going to hit the rev limiter you shouln't have a problem.
My wrx is only 7 months new and it actually belongs to my wife, and currently has no modifications. The service manager at my local dealer DELRAY SUBARU told me that it is my driving style. That's a load of BULL!!!!
Apparently they don't like the fact that I downshift into first, But know that I found out about the shifting section in the manual
( THANKS NICK) I will take my case to the next level.

When I get it fixed I will comment about is also.....
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Old 02-19-2002, 10:39 PM   #116
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Just got my car back from the dealer after they replaced first gear and the first gear synchro. As per my previous post, I had a problem with the shifter popping into neutral when I was trolling along in first gear, like you would in a tight parking lot or parking garage. Well, I'm happy to report the problem seems to be fixed. I should say that my car too is reluctant to go into first above five miles an hour, but I never seem to need to put it in first above that speed anyways, so I haven't worried about it. Anyhow, just thought I'd report on a positive dealer/SOA experience, and hope you all eventually get the same response and results I (hope I) got.
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Old 02-20-2002, 02:25 AM   #117
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After reading this post, I have been checking the highest speed at which I can downshift into first. Best so far is 32-33 mph.

Of course I don't let out the clutch at that speed--I'm simply braking to a stop and rowing down thru the gears. No double-clutching, just gentle pressure and letting the syncros do their job.

I have noticed that there is a big difference in the speed at which most manual transmissions will go into 1rst depending on whether they are cold or hot.

Bottom line: Don't let SOA tell you, "They all do that". My WRX sedan will easily downshift into first at 25 mph.
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Old 02-20-2002, 08:38 AM   #118
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My WRX sedan will easily downshift into first at 25 mph.
As does mine, post repairs.
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Old 02-20-2002, 09:37 AM   #119
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Well it seems that I might be joining the club. My WRX has nearly 30k on it now and when the trany is cold it will not shift into first above about 5mph. When the car was new there was no problem downshifting to first at 15-20.

For those asking about why a WRX owner would want to shift into first from second during normal driving an answer: "Subaru - in the owners manual - says that second should not be used below 15."
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Old 02-20-2002, 10:01 AM   #120
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For those asking about why a WRX owner would want to shift into first from second during normal driving an answer: "Subaru - in the owners manual - says that second should not be used below 15."
Those people must live in relatively flat areas. It would be impossible to drive in my area without downshifting to first. Try turning from a steep hill onto a side road that's on an even steeper hill. Second gear would stall.
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Old 02-20-2002, 03:00 PM   #121
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re: For those asking about why a WRX owner would want to shift into first from second during normal driving an answer: "Subaru - in the owners manual - says that second should not be used below 15.">

Where is this in the manual.

Closest I can come is page 7-11 which recommends upshifting
to 2nd at 15.
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Old 02-20-2002, 05:52 PM   #122
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I know I am comming ina t the end of this thread but with some hydraulic slave cyl. vehicles it is possible to get an air bubble in them, this does not allow the clutch to fully disengage and then you will have more trouble getting into first on a downshift. Upshifting is usually not a problem because the engine rpms are on your side.....I am new to teh Subaru thing...btu hydraulic systems are all about the same....so I say try to bleed it or have someone you trust do it. If you want it done right ya just have to do it yoruself......
actually, this is what my dealer just came up with(or something similar). i dropped the WRX off AGAIN on tues. today, they say the clutch is not fully disengaging(sp?) at all...i will toss the fluid bubble thing at them. at my last conversation, my service rep said the mechanic was dissasembling the tranny for the 4th time cause something doesn't "sound right". I am at least glad that the tech cares enough to keep it until it's right (this time around).

i'll keep all informed..

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Old 02-21-2002, 01:24 PM   #123
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Greg I and SubieNut are right, you should double clutch when shifting down into first gear. And this applies to any manual transmission car, not just a Subaru. Just a good old habit.

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Old 02-22-2002, 11:30 AM   #124
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Can somebody tell me if this is the same issue? It's been happening for a while and its driving me nuts!

My car has never made a grinding noise when down shifting into first from second and I almost always wait till I'm going less than five ph/h. However, sometimes, especially if I'm braking hard but almost at a dead stop, there is a distinct "clank-clank" type resistance as it goes into first. This isn't the normal notchiness. It feels almost like something is grabbing with the second clank and pushing back? It's not violent and the car still goes into gear, but it feels weird. Has anybody else experienced this?

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Quick update!!!!!!!!!



SOA is going to my dealership on monday to check out my car and it's troubles. i can't wait to see whay the hell they say..


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