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Old 09-22-2006, 06:33 PM   #1
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Default JDM sti pink springs vs. 04+ pinks for 02 wrx

I have pretty much decided to go with the pink springs, but which option?

1) JDM pink springs made for the '02, but they are more expensive at about $399, or

2) 04+ pinks which are cheaper ($230) + new rear strut tops ($100), and new struts (04 type). I'm going to be replacing the struts at the same time anyway,so I could get the 04 type.

Any pluses or minuses either way (besides price)?
Are the spring rates the same?
Any advantage to the 04+ rear strut top design?
Anything else to consider?
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Old 09-22-2006, 08:08 PM   #2
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Which "pink" springs are you referring to? For the JDM pink springs, we have the 04 JDM pink springs in stock they are specifically designed for the JDM inverted shocks. The ride quality is pretty good on these. Give me a call if you're interested, I'll give them to you at $339 shipped if you're interested as we're a bit overstocked. Thanks!

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Old 09-22-2006, 08:14 PM   #3
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compressor guy, i think you're comparing apples and oranges.

The JDM pinks are 257/217 and lower an additional 10 mm over the USDM pinks, which are 225/193, the same as the USDM STi.

Choice depends on what you want them for. The JDM pinks are too stiff for stock WRX struts. The USDM pinks would work OK with the stock struts. The 04+ strut mount is a little "cleaner", but quieter? Not sure.

I would do USDM pinks for DD, JDMs for track or autox.

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Old 09-22-2006, 08:15 PM   #4
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The only new style struts are the Koni inserts- if your going that route (the Koni's are very, very good SA struts) then I'd go w/ the 04 style rears- gives you lots more spring options- WRX STi "pink" springs (the ones you mention for $230) 10-15mm drop rates 223/192, but w/ Konis you can also run firmer springs- the ones Gary mentioned- jdm STi "pink" springs about 30mm of lowering (on a WRX) rates 257/217, even very firm springs like the STi Tarmac "pink" springs- lowering ~ 25mm w/ 342/285 rates.

The Koni's have a nice damping range, gives you lots of spring options + the ability to "upgrade" to 04+ style- that would be my suggestion.
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Old 09-22-2006, 08:26 PM   #5
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't specific enough. I've seen a few vendors importing STI pink springs for the 02-03 like this for instance:

STi Pink Lowering Springs 2002-03 WRXSpring rate 215/190
as found here: http://store.mauromotorsports.com/stisplosp.html

Those spring rates seem very streetable.
BTW, I will be changing the struts as well, and use will be mostly spirited street driving and occasional autox.

Oh, and looking for minimal drop - I want to keep most of the suspension travel.
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Old 09-22-2006, 08:43 PM   #6
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The rates are actually 200/185 for the v7 "pink" springx, and yes the rates are streetable, as is the lowering 20mmish- they are good springs no doubt.

My advice still stands though- if your doing new struts anyways- I'd consider going to the 04+ style as it opens up lots of options that aren't available w/ the v7 struts.
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Old 09-22-2006, 09:07 PM   #7
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Those are the JDM "pink" springs - the USDM pink springs are made by someone else entirely (not STI Japan). 258lbs / 218lbs is the rate for the JDM springs, I have them in stock on sale for the 04+ cars at $339 shipped.

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Old 09-22-2006, 09:40 PM   #8
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Ok, thanks for the input guys. I'll probably go with the 04 struts - I like Bigskywrx's point about having more spring options that way.
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Old 09-22-2006, 10:47 PM   #9
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- the USDM pink springs are made by someone else entirely (not STI Japan).
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I wouldn't say that - here are my old WRX/USDM/SPT/? STi pink springs- STi part #'s on them, Japanese instructions and the signature FHI paint dobs

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Old 09-26-2006, 04:53 PM   #10
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kinda off question but in the vane of this thread, will 02-03 struts (v7 JDM STi) with 04+ Group N top hats work with v8 springs in the rear or is there a modification needed - v7 JDM Pinks are kinda weak in comparison to v8 JDM Pinks
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Old 09-26-2006, 07:48 PM   #11
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yup that's a whole 'nother thread

They will work w/ a washer "fix"- the new tops won't fully seat on the v7 struts w/o it. I will caution that the washer "fix" hasn't worked so well for some folks (has for others however).
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Old 09-26-2006, 10:12 PM   #12
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^^ yeah I figured that was the case and wanted to post it in here as I misread the OPs first post (didn't see in option 2 he got 04 style struts - oops) and wanted to clarify for him that the 04 top hats and v7 struts don't mesh without modding
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Old 10-08-2006, 10:59 PM   #13
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The rates are actually 200/185 for the v7 "pink" springx, and yes the rates are streetable, as is the lowering 20mmish- they are good springs no doubt.

My advice still stands though- if your doing new struts anyways- I'd consider going to the 04+ style as it opens up lots of options that aren't available w/ the v7 struts.
Since the V7 pink springs and STI/SPT/USDM pink springs have the same spring rate is the ride pretty much the same? Is there any other difference like progressive vs linear?
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Old 10-09-2006, 12:59 AM   #14
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I have the USDM pinks w/ Koni's - it's plenty for DD

The Koni's - or another good adjustable damper are necessary though imo -

On full soft it's firm and controlled - not harsh at all to me...
Crank em up a bit and it works pretty darn good - I'd bet better than cheap coilovers especially if'n I can scrape up some camber plates. It'll take quite a few track events till I feel I'll need the next spring up I bet - although Brembo's may ask for that..

The drop is perfect too.
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:11 PM   #15
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The rates are actually 200/185 for the v7 "pink" springx.
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Since the V7 pink springs and STI/SPT/USDM pink springs have the same spring rate is the ride pretty much the same?
The V7 Pinks are 200/185, according to BIGSKYWRX, and the USDM SPT Pinks are 224/195...so the rates aren't exactly the same.
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The V7 Pinks are 200/185, according to BIGSKYWRX, and the USDM SPT Pinks are 224/195...so the rates aren't exactly the same.
Thanks, I was too lazy to pull exact numbers. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some other aspect of the spring that significantly altered the feel besides what is reflected in the spring rate.
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:43 PM   #17
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^ the other major difference is ride height- the v7 lower ~ 20mm, the v8 ones ~ 10-15mm.

The other big difference is the v7 pink ones are sedan springs and you'll get the typical "sag" in the rear w/ a wagon.
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Old 10-09-2006, 09:12 PM   #18
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Get jdm pinks along with v7 struts. Springs alone are not a good option for the wrx. IMHO
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Get jdm pinks along with v7 struts. Springs alone are not a good option for the wrx. IMHO
I would agree with that. Except V7 strut take-offs would be a quite old. I am thinking Koni inserts or D-specs for adjustability.
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If you go the Koni route I'd opt for the 04+ rears- it will open up a lot of spring options, if you go D Spec then the v7 jdm pinks would be a good choice (on a sedan).
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If you go the Koni route I'd opt for the 04+ rears- it will open up a lot of spring options, if you go D Spec then the v7 jdm pinks would be a good choice (on a sedan).
I keep hearing seeing this comment, but from what I've seen it only applies to people looking to get aggressive set-ups with STI or higher spring rates. In the mild upgrade market options are few with applications for both sides (Prodrive, Swift).

Please correct me if I am wrong as I am trying to weight the benefit of spending an extra $100 for tophats.
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It really applies to anyone looking for a really good strut. Some of the springs can be used w/ the oe strut, obviously some can't.

I mention that option as you mentioned Koni inserts above as a possibility. My point is if going the Koni route- really consider the 04+ rears (they cost no more than the 02/03 ones) as these open up a lot of options a 02/03 strut can't. Even if you go to a milder spring, w/ the Koni's it leaves the door open for firmer ones down the road if need be
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According to the vendor I ordered my Konis from, the fronts are the same from '02 on. You can order a complete '04 set of inserts & then get the '04 rear top hats.
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