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Old 10-19-2013, 10:36 AM   #51
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The later 6 speeds are way easier to do vs. the early six speeds where the cover needs to be unscrewed. I cant emphasize enough that you need to determine which type of transmission you have and whether you need to unscrew this plate before you attempt to tackle this job.

I've done some searching but can't seem to find out transmissions which require removal of plate and which don't.

I have an early 2004 USDM 6 speed
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:25 PM   #52
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I've done some searching but can't seem to find out transmissions which require removal of plate and which don't. I have an early 2004 USDM 6 speed
My STi was built in sept 2003 and it doesn't have the stubs so I would guess we likely have the same trans. I with that being said I only replaced the actual seal because it was the part that was leaking. Didn't have to remove the plate.
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Old 10-19-2013, 05:41 PM   #53
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Hey, thank you for the quick reply.

My 2004 6MT was built in 03 (3 as the third to last digit on trans sticker) and I swapped it into my wrx years ago. If yours is an early 04 build also, then it should have had stubs and a pinned female to male axle, at least according to this:http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...49&postcount=5. I'm confused if yours is different.

It has been a long time since my swap but I really didn't think I had seen stubs....so I crawled under car and sure enough I can see the pins! I suspect when I bought the swap, they had removed the axles and stubs and kept them together, and then I installed as one piece and didn't realize I was putting stubs + axles in, if that's possible.

I ordered the older style 30mm axle seals and am going to attempt to swap the seals without removing the sundials.
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Old 10-19-2013, 09:03 PM   #54
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I have a early 2004 6mt.

It had the stubs-must remove sundials to change the seal, they are on the inside.

I swapped in the newer style sundials as I was using male axles.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:39 PM   #55
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I have a early 2004 6mt.

It had the stubs-must remove sundials to change the seal, they are on the inside.

I swapped in the newer style sundials as I was using male axles.
Did the newer style sundials ( assume pn 38342AA161 ) have the externally removable seal? I just ordered a *161 plate and was curious.

From what I've been able to gather the late model plates/'dials place the seal further toward the wheel, translates to more of the seal resting on the driveshaft stub.
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Old 10-13-2014, 12:44 AM   #56
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Exactly what I was looking for. I was stressing out because my axle is leaking, and this eased my mind. I bought my car after it suffered some cosmetic damage in the front end, and I'm guessing it jostled the axle enough to break the seal. The rest of the suspension is rather sound. Thanks for the write up!
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Old 02-23-2015, 11:28 AM   #57
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Getting ready to do both front axles of my 02 impreza NA. If it has the pin and stubs in the case (female) then do I need to remove the plate or can I just pop the seals out?

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Old 05-04-2015, 01:57 PM   #58
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I'm having a hard time finding the right seal for my input at my front diff, I know the tranny has been swapped to 6 speed. is there anyway I can find out what kind of seals I need. I just bought the car, and whoever had it before stretched the seals on and now they're bulged and about to come out.
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Old 05-07-2015, 12:27 PM   #59
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Remove the axle shaft and post a pic of the part that go's in to the trans.



Now on to my problem.

I'm doing a 6-speed swap and can not get the seals out!!!!
I bought the seal puller posted in this thread and I bent it!!!!!!!!!
Yes I was pulling on the seal and not the trans case. I have dose seals before in my 5 speed. and had no problems.

Is there another kind of puller I can use?
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:58 AM   #60
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^^ You have an "older" style 6MT that requires removal of the Sundial or bearing tensioner plates. There's a lip on the outside of the plate that keeps the seal from walking out on its own. Newer, IIRC 06+ trannies, have the lip on the inside.

There are a few links here showing the difference.
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:21 PM   #61
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For those that were asking about the v7 STI tranny, I did some research and found the answer we were looking for, as I am doing a RS/STI swap currently.

These trans come with that lip on the outside of the plate, like ktmrider said, to keep the seal from walking out on it's own. To swap out the seal, you can pull the "Front Differential Retainer", as it's called (looks like a sundial if you will).

Follow these instructions: (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2332642)


So to remove the side differential retainers without the pricey subaru specific tool. Note that what i did ended up scratching the side retainers a little bit blah blah and that without the subaru specific tool you might damage your tranny blah blah. That being said, you can either make your own specific tool to remove the retainers or do what I did. What i did, removed the retainer locking plates and bolts. Sprayed pb blaster around the edges of the retainer. Got a flathead screwdriver and rubber mallet. The side retainer is removed by turning it counter clockwise (normal lefty loosy) so I put the flat head on the little inserts on the side of it and gently tapped it with the hammer until it started spinning, and eventually you can spin it by hand and remove. Once both are removed and all bolts are removed, gently guide off the clutch housing casing (with front diff inside). Your done. Fix your broken oem front diff, install the upgraded one, or remove that ish and go drifting like me (without a working speedometer as your speedo gear runs off the front diff



Hope this helps, as about to try it myself.
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:50 PM   #62
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Ok, just did one side. MAKE SURE TO MARK THE PLATE prior to removing. This will help you get the plat back to exactly where it was. I removed the 14mm bolt, marked the plate and onto the transmission itself. Then took a large flat head screwdriver, rubber mallet, and knocked it counter clockwise and it came loose. It was approximately 7 complete turns counter clockwise (lefty loosey) to get it off. I simply pressed the seal in from the reverse side, applied a lil grease and screwed the plate back on. It will get tough to turn, so but make sure you get it back to where it started. It will work, just hulk up and knock it on there. Just be cautious of breaking the teeth on the plate.

Hope this helps. I took photos along the way, so let me know if you need em.
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Old 05-15-2015, 06:47 PM   #63
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Here are the photos that Joe took today, he spoke above about the v7 Transmission and how to replace the axle seals on these. Know it was asked above. We snapped some quick photos, and figured this was a good place to add them! Hope these help clarify!


From Joe:

I originally ordered the front axle/transmission seals, but noticed that the ones I received, would not fit into the transmission. I did some reading on this thread, and figured that it was because I ordered the "early 2004" axle seals, so I ordered the newer ones. The newer ones arrived today, and they are exactly the same size (diameter). From holding the seal up to the opening in the transmission case, there was no way it would go in without damaging it as the seal is the same size as the opening into the case. After some seriously research, referencing the posts above, I found some information related to the v7 Transmission that I was installing the seals on. On these transmissions, there is actually a "shoulder" or "lip" if you will, that keeps the seal from creeping out of the transmission case. Not sure how that would happen with the axle there, but must be for good reason. To properly install the seals on this version transmission, you have to remove the "Front Differential Retainer" (only actual name I could find for them).



Refer to the above photo, the Front Differential Retainer is that lil sun dial looking piece if you will. It actually screws into the transmission and is then secured with a locking clip. For each side, I had to remove the bolt, locking clip, then tap each retainer plate counter clockwise. This loosened up the plate, which then screwed out of the transmission. Just a quick note, before doing so (if you ever have to do this), make sure you mark the plate and transmission with a marker so you know exactly where it was. These plates have an o-ring on it and help seat the front differential outer bearings. This just ensures it is installed properly. It took just about seven (7) complete counter clockwise turns to remove the plate from the transmission.






Once the plate was out of the transmission, I could then very easily install the axle seal from the reverse side. I seated the seal using a large socket and gently tapping it with a rubber mallet until properly seated. I then applied some grease and prepared to reinstall the plate.




I then reinstalled the plates back so the marks I previously made lined up. I reinstalled the clip and bolt, then completed the other side. In all, this process takes about 20 minutes. It was alot easier than anticipated. I believe Subaru makes a special tool for this, but this worked the same. Just take your time so you do not snap any of the "teeth" on the plate itself.



Hope that helps the JDM peeps! Have a great weekend!
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Old 09-13-2015, 03:24 AM   #64
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I've been doing a lot of research on this, as my driverside seal is weeping. my question is this: I have an 05 Rs, "stubless" transmission. does this mean I am able to just pull the seal out from the outside and install new one without removing the "sundial" differential retainer thing?

Thanks.
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