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Old 03-07-2001, 10:30 AM   #1
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Post Coilovers for sale? Jamie...anybody.....

Hi All.
That all important Govt refund is almost in
my fist and is itchin' to be spent on some
suspension. Anybody got an extra set of DMS
or LEDAS or something of the like just lying around??
Maybe you know some body that
might?

thanks'
Earnest S.

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Old 03-07-2001, 11:12 AM   #2
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HOW MUCH U WILLIN TO PAY?
hehehehe....

go here... www.specialstage.com

go to classifieds...
steve nowicki is sellin some DMS...


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Old 03-07-2001, 11:25 AM   #3
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Is there a coil over kit that would work with the stock struts?

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Old 03-07-2001, 01:20 PM   #4
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Old 03-07-2001, 01:24 PM   #5
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I am pretty sure that GroundControl makes a setup that will work with your stock struts. As far as performance, I have my doubts. But they are cheap. Like $299 last I saw.
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Old 03-07-2001, 01:30 PM   #6
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coil overs are just that...

coil overs...

they come with the strut... any 'coilover kit' that doesnt come preassembled... well it's not a true coilover kit now is it?

you probably need some nice springs...
Eibach's, Sti's, P1's etc...

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Old 03-07-2001, 02:11 PM   #7
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Heh. It's cute how the terms get misinterpreted, and I'm pretty sure this has been said before, but here goes:

Our stock struts/springs are "coilovers" -- the coil goes around the strut -- they're just not adjustable. Other suspension systems that don't use "coilovers" may have the shock and spring in completely different locations (I think the VW rear suspension on my Golf is like that).

The ground control "coilover kit" is just threaded collars that go onto a strut (people usually don't use the stock ones, but you could) and springs (of any rate you choose) that will fit the newly-adjustable perch. A kit like that will turn a non-adjustable coilover into an *adjustable* coilover. The key bit is the adjustable part.

So, yes, you can get a "coilover kit" that isn't pre-assembled, and doesn't include the strut.

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Old 03-07-2001, 02:17 PM   #8
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I only ask cause I'm new with the "coil over" concept. I really dont know what the package includes. I thought they came separate from the struts or packaged with the struts.

Do you think a sport sring setup would be a good idea? I fear the thought of rubbing my wheelwells.

Jeff, is that ground control setup for all 4? Or just one? Jamie, have you heard of this?

At first I was thinking, Sport Springs and a set of Strut bars, but I really dont know how one would be better than the other (Springs/Strut bars vs. coilovers)

Thanks for the input.

edit: I'm slow today

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Old 03-07-2001, 02:22 PM   #9
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That was for all 4. I used to be in honda scene (1997 ITR). It was common there to just add Ground Control "coilovers" to your stock struts. The problem I see is that a honda has no way near as much travel as our cars do. I was amazed the first time I saw my car on a lift.

It is true that the GC setup is just a threaded collar that goes over the stock strut, then a 2.5" (?) spring sits on a "nut" on that collar.

I think I saw a couple of people on this board had them. I would think that they would be fairly universal. I will see if I can get a correct price and a location for you.
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Old 03-07-2001, 02:22 PM   #10
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Thanks Sean.

Do you think its wise to use the stock struts with an adjustable coilover setup?

Yeah, I know, I'm ghetto.

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Old 03-07-2001, 02:24 PM   #11
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Thanks Jeff. Geeze you guys are quick today
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Old 03-07-2001, 02:24 PM   #12
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Justin,

Do a search in the Suspension forum for "ground control" -- you'll get all the details about who's using them, what springs they're using (you can get 8", 9", 10" lengths for different initial ride heights, and a wide variety of spring rates, for example), etc. They're pretty inexpensive. Most folks seem to pair them with the KYB AGX strut. This combo runs about $800-$900 total (all four corners) if I remember correctly. Definately the cheapest coilover solution out there, but you get what you pay for...

Can you tell I've been researching this stuff? Still trying to decide what I'm gonna get. It all depends on money. Right now I'm leaning toward the DMS Golds...

[Edit:]
The main problem I could see with using the stock struts and the GC coilover kit is that I don't know of anybody else that's done it (somebody probably has, but they don't seem to be talking about it). Getting the spring rates correct for the stock strut's dampening would be harder, 'cause there aren't as many folks out there figuring it out for you. That, and your strut wouldn't be adjustable, only the spring.

Is the ride height adjustability that big of a deal to you? If you're on a budget, the Ver. 5 strut/spring deal is the way to go. You can always upgrade *those* struts to an adjustable coilover later if you want...
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Old 03-07-2001, 02:44 PM   #13
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I called my supplier, and I can get you some Tein HA for $1325 without mounts or about $1650 with mounts. Just thought I would pass this on.
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Old 03-07-2001, 02:45 PM   #14
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when i researched my suspension options...
i kept coming back to the ... you get what you pay for....

and that's where you have to decide...
what are you going to be doing to the car?
if you are like me... put an $800 set up on the car... and 6 mos later you will need another one cuz you broke the first one!!

ya see??

so what's your long term plan?
auto x?
rally x?
streeter... show car?

what?
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Old 03-07-2001, 02:49 PM   #15
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very good point. I would not recommend the Tein for Rally or RallyX. I would for AutoX and Show, Especially show, they look good with the cad-gold hardware.
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Old 03-07-2001, 03:02 PM   #16
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ok, here is my really dumb theory. I am going back to Salt Lake City soon, there are times when you drive through some serious snow. I was concerned that if I went with some sport springs (stiffen up the ride a litte and drop the car slightly) I would bog down super easy. Plus I wouldn't be able to do the occasional rally cross. I remember that big rut near the end of the course in Portland last year. That is partly why I got Chris' skid plate.

Me=Low budget with a state to state move coming soon.

Would a set of, lets say H&R sport Springs and front and rear Strut bars compliment the handling of the RS at all, or am I dreaming here?

Thats would move me out of G stock too, I know
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Old 03-07-2001, 03:06 PM   #17
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From the sound of it, I personally think a set of V.5 struts, and some springs might be your best bet. We got our last set for like $468 shipped or something. Might be an option, and would definitely stand up to SOME RallyX.

Jamie, yes no?
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Old 03-07-2001, 03:10 PM   #18
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Yeah, I think the Ver. V is the way to go on a budget.

I've run a bunch of rallyxes on my stock struts/springs, without any trouble. I imagine the version V stuff would do just as well. In fact, I rode in rsquires car at one of the rallyxes (long ago), and he ha the ver V stuff (IIRC). Seemed to do quite well.

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Old 03-07-2001, 09:26 PM   #19
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WOW!
What a response. Not What I expected <---(smiling). I guess I just get caught up in the slang like most others do so, let me clarify a little.
What I meant to ask was does any body have or know of someone who has an adjustable (height/bound rebound) spring/strut combo just occupying space around the house, under the bed, holdin' up the coffee table. I am looking for improved tarmac performance. I could purchase an over the counter set in the range of $1200 +/-$200 but I thought perhaps I could save a few bucks if someone was willing. Hope that clarifies things a bit.
OK, resume discussion
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Old 03-08-2001, 08:59 AM   #20
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adamsrs posted that he was selling his GAB coilovers. PM him. IIRC, the GAB's are VERY stiff.

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Old 03-08-2001, 10:23 AM   #21
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4wdrift: Sorry we "took over" your thread. It's easy to get carried away in the conversation and forget the original topic. At least it was useful information and didn't degrade into the Simpsons or something

I don't have any coilovers for sale. I'll be looking for some myself in April.

Let us know what you end up with.

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