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Old 11-04-2001, 07:58 PM   #1
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Question Fram X2 oil filter

Has anyone use FRAM X2 oil filter (XG3593A)? Itís designed to be use with synthetic oil.

I was looking for Puralater oil filter at Sear and Pep Boy, neither of them has it. So I went to Wal-Mart and saw this filter for under $10. Expensive but I can change my oil every 6 months. That is $50 a year for oil change. (Mobil One is $2.99 per bottle at Target.)

Many on I-Club do not like Farm oil filter but this may not be the same filter they dislike. Is there a better oil filter at or below this price?

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Old 11-04-2001, 10:17 PM   #2
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Try the Napa Gold filter... Its pretty good.... made by wix. I know for sure its gonna be better than a crappy fram... I weighed the oem filter to the napa gold... the napa gold was heavier
The Napa Gold filter number is 1334 if you wanna try it out
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Old 11-05-2001, 06:52 PM   #3
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You might consdier a stock subie or a Purolater Pure One filter. Both can be had for less than $10.
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Old 11-11-2001, 11:19 AM   #4
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Fram sucks. All Frams. Anything with Fram on it sucks. Period.
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Old 11-11-2001, 09:27 PM   #5
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Fram, any Fram = Crap

Just order yourself 6 OEM filters and 6 OEM crushwashers from one of the discount dealers for about $30 for everything and you'll be set for a while.
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Old 11-11-2001, 09:53 PM   #6
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now i'm a diehard NAPA guy (my great grandfather opened his 1st NAPA store in '59) and I agree the 1334 (not 1365) would be my first choice, but the freakin NAPA store near me is so far away so I went by the dealer. My local dealer offered me 20% off the filter if I bought 3 or more. So I bought 3 for 4.84 each. Not bad.
Crush washers were .80 something each.

Ryan

ps. why the hell was the oem filter and drain plug on so freakin tight!?
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Old 11-11-2001, 10:18 PM   #7
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Why the hell was the oem filter and drain plug on so freakin tight!?
The drain plug was okay but I know what you're saying about the filter. After removing the drain plug on my WRX (Friday night), my friend Joe and I spent 15 minutes trying to remove the filter. I had visions of having to keep the old filter on with my new synthetic oil.

Thankfully, after a lot of grunt work, Joe managed to remove it and we completed the oil change.

The new OEM filter we used was hand tightened and should be easier to remove the next time around.

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Old 11-11-2001, 11:18 PM   #8
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Many people have had the same experience of real tightened oil filter and drain plug. We came to the conclusion that Subaru must have a gorilla putting them on at the assembly plant.
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Old 11-12-2001, 08:04 AM   #9
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Many people have had the same experience of real tightened oil filter and drain plug. We came to the conclusion that Subaru must have a gorilla putting them on at the assembly plant.
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Old 11-12-2001, 09:14 AM   #10
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my roomate and I could not get the filter off by conventional means (and he's a huge guy). I ended up jacking up the driver's side wheel a bit and punching a screwdriver in the side and using it as a handle. Not the cleanest way but i refused to go buy a filter wrench for one use. Since i'm not going to reapply it that tight.

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Old 11-16-2001, 02:03 PM   #11
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go with the wix filters, carquest filters are also made by wix. i've seen them cut up and it's just better internals the fram is carboard inside where the wix is acually metal plus alot more filtering element.
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Old 11-16-2001, 08:13 PM   #12
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thats so true invisibleman
napa gold filters are also made by wix...
ive seen that display....
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Old 11-16-2001, 11:31 PM   #13
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Is there any problems that Fram filters cause aside that it sucks? Please, I'm very very interested cause that's what I've using since I got my subie. Your input is greatly appreciated.
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Old 11-16-2001, 11:55 PM   #14
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Fram filters let larger particles, and a larger amount of those particles pass through the filtering element. The problem is that this makes your oil get "dirty" sooner, and leads to faster internal engine wear and shorter engine life.
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Old 11-17-2001, 12:01 AM   #15
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Smile Thanks NotoriousWRX

Thanks man,

I guess I'll be using OEM filters from now on. Thanks again, I really appreciate it. I didn't know there filtration system is that bad. So should I use Napa (gold or silver)? I just buy it straight from the dealer?

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Old 11-17-2001, 12:20 AM   #16
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Glad to be of help. I would recommend that you stick with the OEM filter, unless you want to spring the extra $$ for the K&N or Amsoil filter. The OEM filter is really not a bad deal at around $4.50 each from the dealers that sell at a discount.

Oh, and in regards to additives like Zmax; don't waste your cash. Just be sure to use a quality oil and filter and to change them on a regular basis.
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Old 11-17-2001, 04:52 PM   #17
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To all the anti "FRAM" people, do you have any data to support FRAM = crap? (have to play devil's advocate here )
Just curious..... I dislike blanket unsupported statements
about any product or brand name. It makes me think
someone has bought into some marketing hype.....
kinda like cold air intakes and cat back exhausts....
forget the noise, show me the dyno charts!
and if all (well most) oils at your local auto parts store meet or exceed API sh, sj requirements....what oil on the market is not a
"quality" oil.....with the exception of the generic 30 weight
nondetergent lawnmower oil.... And one last bone to pick,
why the hell do people change their oil every 3,000 miles if the manufacturer recommends every 7,500 miles? Sounds like more marketing hype by the oil companies to get you to buy twice as much oil....however, I'm changing at 3,000 miles anyway
call me a hypocrite!
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Old 11-17-2001, 06:57 PM   #18
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If you need proof that Fram is crap, buy one and buy a K&N, then use them both. Save them so that you can open them and look inside once they've been used. Thin metal, cardboard ends on the filter, less filtering media and an anti-flowback valve that doesn't really work does not make what I personally consider a good filter, and that's what you'll find inside a Fram.

As far as oils go, most are fine, but I would sure be leery of the 79 cent a quart no name variety.

In terms of change intervals, I would agree that 3,000 miles is overkill for most people. I personally change mine based on a time interval, because my car is not driven every day. I think that change intervals are dependent on how and where you drive, more so than on a set amount of miles.
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Old 11-18-2001, 12:27 AM   #19
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Fram filters let larger particles, and a larger amount of those particles pass through the filtering element.
Fram filters also let smaller particles, and a larger amount of those particles, pass through the filtering element, according to a test done by a Finnish car magazine: http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/oil_filter_test.html

Fram only filters 9% of the 10-micron size particles after five minutes and only 5% after 10 minutes. The test was done on filters for the Toyota Corolla.

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Old 11-18-2001, 12:48 AM   #20
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I've seen several oil filter studies on the web, and they all give the Fram Extra Guard filter, their cheapest product, poor marks. The studies are convincing, IMHO. However, 4Runner's original question was regarding the Fram X2, which is their premium filter. I've seen no studies on this model, and I'm not willing to condemn it just because it has FRAM printed on it. That's like saying all Fords suck, after looking at a Pinto (ok, maybe they do, but that's a topic for another thread). Anyone have specific data on the X2?
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Old 11-18-2001, 03:34 AM   #21
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cruzito, you want the napa gold filter, dont get the silver

Proof that fram sux... go to a local napa and ask them to see the cut out display of the napa gold oil filter(wiux) vs the fram oil filter... Most napas should have it...the display compares them and points out why the fram filter is bad... alotta the stuff in the fram is cheap... thats why the filter is so dam cheap... you pay for what you get! anyways the napa gold oil filter is very good... good material inside the bypass valve is very well made.... i bought a oem oil filter and i compared it to the napa gold filter... the napa gold filter was heavier.. i didnt wanna waste the filters by cutting it
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Old 11-18-2001, 03:37 AM   #22
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above i said wiux, i meant wix
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Old 11-19-2001, 01:29 PM   #23
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Thanks for all of your reply. So far almost everyone agree that any filters is better than FRAM product but none can speak pacifically about FRAM X2. Here is the link:

http://www.framx2.com/


Did anyone ever send for an oil analysis? It normally cost less than $20. Here is one of the labs.


http://www.oillab.com/bestoil.html

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Old 11-20-2001, 03:40 AM   #24
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(See NotoriousWRX's post)

Up front I'll admit I ordered a case of Subaru filters and a dozen crush washers shortly after I got my WRX. That said, what exactly is the problem with Fram filters? Where did you get your information? I've used them almost exclusively on all my vehicles:

*A Corolla Diesel with almost a quarter million miles
*A Toyota Truck with close to 200K miles
*An NX2000 with almost 200K miles

The only reason I ordered the SOA filters was that I was ordering other parts anyway and they were inexpensive by the case (about $4 each).

I remember several years ago Consumer Reports did an oil filter test. Guess which one was the clear winner? Fram! Now unless Fram has been bought out and moved to China and changed their specs I would expect that they're still decent.

I trust CR because they are unbiased-they have no advertising and don't take any money from any industry groups or manufacturers. Please back up your statement with other than anecdotal evidence.

If Fram is that inefficient at filtering I would think vehicles like mine with almost 200,000 hard miles and long (7,500 mile) oil change intervals would burn serious amounts of oil. I don't even have to add any between changes.
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Old 11-20-2001, 04:54 AM   #25
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cross/double posting eh? FRAM sucks.. Neeener neeener

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...72#post1142672

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