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Old 10-01-2006, 06:01 PM   #1
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I'm wondering if anyone else on this board has had a problem with condensation forming on the inside of their taillight(s). When I brought it to the dealer for warranty, they contacted Subaru of Canada, but SOC just came back and said it was normal.

Anyone else had any experience with this problem?
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:06 PM   #2
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I seem to have the same problem, not totally sure whether its condensation or not though because I just feel that the plastic is blurry.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:10 PM   #3
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No problems with mine. Has the previous owner done something stupid with the tailights previously? Might want to peel back the trunk liner and see if everything's fastened tight behind the tail lights.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:15 PM   #4
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My '04 tails never get condensation...and neither did my '06 tails.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:15 PM   #5
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No issues here either.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:19 PM   #6
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I seem to have the same problem, not totally sure whether its condensation or not though because I just feel that the plastic is blurry.
They're totally stock AFAIK. The dealer even took a look at them and they look totally normal. The dealer (Alain at Richmond Subaru) is supposedly emailing SOC for me asking if anything can be done, but I'm doubtful anything will come of it.

Here's a pic of the condensation.

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Old 10-01-2006, 06:36 PM   #7
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Keep fighting them because those are obviously condensation. If they insist on saying that it is normal, bring someone else's with no condensation and show them.
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:08 PM   #8
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the dealer said that he's had several sti's with taillight condensation come in and they all get the same answer from SOC...it's normal.
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:10 PM   #9
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they all get the same answer from SOC...it's normal.
Well, then so is the blinding pain they will get when you have to kick them in the nether region...normal.
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:21 PM   #10
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It is not normal. After given the "normal" answer, Richmond Subaru, I contacted (email) SOC myself. Withing a week I had a new set of tails lights waiting for me and installed at Richmond Subaru. Not by my choice.

Plus after my wagon was fixed (rear end, hit and run) one of the delays for the repear was a recall on tail lights. I never personally recieved a recall letter though letter.

Good luck

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Old 10-01-2006, 08:35 PM   #11
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That's not normal because mine doesn't do that.
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:14 AM   #12
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I just emailed them. Let's see what they have to say...

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To whom it may concern,

Good day! I am writing this letter in regards to the warranty coverage
on my 2004 Subaru WRX STi (VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX).

I recently purchased this car second-hand from a family-friend. As a
proud new owner, I was concerned when, after washing the car, I found
condensation forming on the inside of the passenger-side taillight lense
assembly (see attached JPEG). I promptly scheduled a visit to my local
Subaru Dealer - Richmond Subaru, http://www.richmondsubaru.com - to have
the taillights serviced (under warranty). There was still condensation
in the taillight when I showed it to the service manager, so he was able
to witness it first-hand. He informed me that he would have to contact
(email) Subaru of Canada (SOC) and request authorization to service the
taillight. After a few days wait, we received a response from SOC. To
my surprise, the letter stated that the condensation inside the
taillight was not a problem, and that it was a *normal* condition. The
letter also made a reference to a service-bulletin pertaining to a fix
for taillight condensation on the Subaru Forester (or some other wagon,
unfortunately, the name slips my mind at the moment). Alain proceeded
to schedule a 2nd visit for my car, in an attempt to fix the problem
using the instructions included in the above service-bulletin.
Unfortunately, the instructions in the service-bulletin do not apply to
the 2004 STi. Seemingly, I am out-of-luck.

Note: the taillight assembly has not been modified in any way. It was
inspected by the staff at Richmond Subaru and had no cracks/chips, and I
am sure they can confirm this if necessary.

Suffice it to say, I am not satisified with this situation. My car is
low-mileage (20xxx kms in 3 yrs), has not been abused, and has been
regularly maintained (see service records at Richmond Subaru). I find
it hard to believe that a $50000+ car that has been dutifully maintained
should suffer from such maladies. I also find it hard to believe that
the taillight assembly would be engineered in such a way that
condensation inside the assembly would be "normal".

I have spoken to several other local STi owners and condensation inside
the taillight is *not* the norm for them. I suspect that the driving
and weather conditions my car is subjected to are comparable to theirs,
so I would assume that my experiences should be comparable to theirs as
well.

This car has been my first experience as a Subaru-owner. I have friends
that are Subaru owners and they swear by them. I dreamed about the STi
for some time before I was finally able to purchase one. I sincerely
hope that it will not be a car-ownership decision I come to regret.

With your help, I hope that we can come to a resolution that is
satisfactory to all parties involved. I await your response with
anticipation.


Regards,

Christopher Mark



PS. I would like to say that Alain has been friendly and helpful in all
our dealings. My dissatisfaction in no way stems from the service I
have received from him.
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:18 AM   #13
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BTW, who did you email? I just sent my email to contact@mysubaru.ca (i got the address off the subaru.ca website)
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:24 AM   #14
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i can help you out removing that moist on your tailight if you want to and you might want to check the O-rings on your taillights bulbs maybe one of em is missing.

just my .02
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:01 AM   #15
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Did u do the JDM tails mod by any chance?

-KC

edit: well u stated that you didn't mod it in anyway so i guess no then. stupid me XD.

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Old 10-02-2006, 07:24 AM   #16
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Take the tail lights out, and drill small drain holes on the underside of the chambers.
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:56 PM   #17
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Option A: keep fighting

Option B:
1. Stop fighting
2. Remove tail light
3. Dry out with hair dryer
4. Grap some butyl rubber from me (I have some extra) or Lordco or whatever
5. Seal up and drive happy
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Old 10-02-2006, 03:59 PM   #18
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Did u do the JDM tails mod by any chance?

-KC

edit: well u stated that you didn't mod it in anyway so i guess no then. stupid me XD.
I did the JDM tail mod...no issues here!
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Old 10-02-2006, 06:18 PM   #19
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^I want JDM tails too but gotta extend the wires

Anyways, my tails are somewhat similar to that but it seems to cover the entire area where the reverse light is at, however none of my blubs blew yet..*touchwood* and I am not sure if they are water or not, seems dry to me.
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Old 10-03-2006, 03:34 PM   #20
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I had moisture in both my tail lights when I bought it. Had them both replaced and then the right had condensation in it again. Had it replaced about 2 months ago and have not had problems since. Subaru didn't seem to have a problem replacing them. Only issue I had with wolfe is that they wouldn't take my word for it, I had to go and show them before they would even order new ones 3-4 weeks both times!). I said I'm not an idiot, I know what moisture inside looks like. I was told that they need to check to make sure it wasn't smacked or bumped and that has caused it to leak.
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Old 10-03-2006, 04:24 PM   #21
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I did the JDM tail mod...no issues here!
well... i am not saying the mod itself directly caused the problem, more on the line of not sealing things up properly after doing the mod and water vapor got in there afterwards. hehehe

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Old 10-03-2006, 04:27 PM   #22
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^ but you wouldn't take out the backup light and the blinkers to do the mod, that's where the condensation is.
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Old 10-03-2006, 06:09 PM   #23
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^I want JDM tails too but gotta extend the wires
No you don't. I can help you...I moved my bulbs around with any cutting, soldering, etc. Very easy!
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Old 10-03-2006, 06:24 PM   #24
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I think that in some cases a wire MIGHT have to be extended no matter how you flip/arrange/route the wires for the mod. Some cars just seem to have shorter wires.

Yes, the asian cars...

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Old 10-03-2006, 09:28 PM   #25
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Boy, I'm glad my car has long wires. Maybe because it's black.
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