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Old 04-18-2010, 10:12 PM   #2551
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a taller fork would not make the HA steeper. you say drop the HA but then you say go from 68-70*. taller form will make the HA go down. but i get what you were saying anyway. been riding/racing mtb and wrenching bikes since i got my training wheels off til i moved to FL, so i know my way around a bike and the compromises of said designs. have fun with the rigid SS... i would do a 29'er if i went that route. i am 6' 185 lbs, though.
Nope, the frame is designed around a 140mm fork. If I got a shorter fork (i.e. 120 or 130mm), the HA would STEEPEN (i.e. going from 68.5 to 70 degrees or so). So no, I'm looking at getting a shorter rigid fork for it and hoping that makes the HA more steerable on the climbs, etc.

And yeah, I've looked at the 29er route, but I just don't know if I want to do that. I want a directly comparable ride between my 26" Enduro and a 26" fully rigid single speed. A 29er sounds nice, but I want the real challenge of 26" instead. I'd like to get a 29er sometime in the future though. Maybe a Karate Monkey or something like that.
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:41 AM   #2552
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I need some help. I have contacted a couple of people here in China who are thinking about a summer bike trip from Chengdu to Lhasa. They estimate 30 days at about 60-100 miles 5 or 6 days a week. Road conditions will be typical Chinese - mostly bad (tarmac with ruts, ridges and potholes with plenty of debris - wood, metal, glass, gravel) to some unsurfaced. Elevation changes from 1600 feet (Chengdu) to 11,500 feet (Lhasa) and there may be higher ridges to be crossed on the journey up to Lhasa. Climate change from hot and sticky to cold (freezing at night) and clear. We will have to carry all our gear and some food (1 days supply, MAYBE 2). We can probably get accommodation at hotels/inns on the way, so a tent might not be necessary. However, a cold weather suit and a change of cycling gear will be needed and a sleeping bag MIGHT be required as well. The bikes that I have are unsuitable for such a trip.

I'd prefer to travel as light as possible, both in terms of gear and bike weight, so I need another bike. Obviously, I'm in CHina and many of the bikes that you might be familiar with and recommend aren't available here or might be but with a substantial shipping cost penalty (which I'm not going to pay) and I'm not interested in a carbon frame. I'm more interested in style and and equipment rather than specific brand names, but Giant and Merida are two of the best names that are readily available here. Any advice or pointers will be gratefully received.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:51 AM   #2553
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I need some help. I have contacted a couple of people here in China who are thinking about a summer bike trip from Chengdu to Lhasa. They estimate 30 days at about 60-100 miles 5 or 6 days a week. Road conditions will be typical Chinese - mostly bad (tarmac with ruts, ridges and potholes with plenty of debris - wood, metal, glass, gravel) to some unsurfaced. Elevation changes from 1600 feet (Chengdu) to 11,500 feet (Lhasa) and there may be higher ridges to be crossed on the journey up to Lhasa. Climate change from hot and sticky to cold (freezing at night) and clear. We will have to carry all our gear and some food (1 days supply, MAYBE 2). We can probably get accommodation at hotels/inns on the way, so a tent might not be necessary. However, a cold weather suit and a change of cycling gear will be needed and a sleeping bag MIGHT be required as well. The bikes that I have are unsuitable for such a trip.

I'd prefer to travel as light as possible, both in terms of gear and bike weight, so I need another bike. Obviously, I'm in CHina and many of the bikes that you might be familiar with and recommend aren't available here or might be but with a substantial shipping cost penalty (which I'm not going to pay) and I'm not interested in a carbon frame. I'm more interested in style and and equipment rather than specific brand names, but Giant and Merida are two of the best names that are readily available here. Any advice or pointers will be gratefully received.
I hate to keep on about the same type of bike, but a cyclo-cross bike sounds perfect. Uses standard 700c sized wheels, and most can take up to a 42mm tire. It's basically a slightly heavier/stronger road bike with a slightly more relaxed geometry. You might be able to get a Motobecane at the factory source, and it uses standard road-bike drivetrain. I would go with either a touring triple crank, or a compact double. The Motobecanes also have braze-ons for a rear rack, so you can use panniers on it.
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:59 AM   #2554
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^^ I was thinking that too. Many of the bikes found in other parts of the world are manufactured in China, so it should be easy to find them.
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:02 AM   #2555
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I just bought a Schwinn Continental from a yard sale for $5. He also had an old Fuji Gran Sport, an old Ross, and some other beat up 70's bikes.

Figure it's something cheap to tinker with.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:13 PM   #2556
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Picked up my new commuter this weekened.

2003 Specialized Expedition Deluxe



The previous owner bought it new and hated it. Said it steered funny.

The bike shop in Austin that he bought it from had installed the front fork backward.

$50, 2 new tubes, a quick derailleur adjustment and lube and I'm back on 2 wheels

EDIT - seat suspension FTW!
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:52 PM   #2557
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I hate to keep on about the same type of bike, but a cyclo-cross bike sounds perfect. Uses standard 700c sized wheels, and most can take up to a 42mm tire. It's basically a slightly heavier/stronger road bike with a slightly more relaxed geometry. You might be able to get a Motobecane at the factory source, and it uses standard road-bike drivetrain. I would go with either a touring triple crank, or a compact double. The Motobecanes also have braze-ons for a rear rack, so you can use panniers on it.
Yeah. I was looking at a cyclo-x myself. It seems to have the best combination of road ability with a stronger frame able to carry extra kgs of stuff.

Although Motobecanes are made in either China or Taiwan, they are a PITA to get here (as are many bikes), and there is negligible dealer support. Most manufacturers are set up primarily for export resulting in issues trying to buy their bikes locally and you may well have to re-import them from the US...seriously.

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Old 04-19-2010, 09:18 PM   #2558
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:32 PM   #2559
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^^ Awesome. Are there a lot of hardtail riders in Colorado or is it mostly FS bikes?
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:47 PM   #2560
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I need some help. I have contacted a couple of people here in China who are thinking about a summer bike trip from Chengdu to Lhasa. They estimate 30 days at about 60-100 miles 5 or 6 days a week. Road conditions will be typical Chinese - mostly bad (tarmac with ruts, ridges and potholes with plenty of debris - wood, metal, glass, gravel) to some unsurfaced. Elevation changes from 1600 feet (Chengdu) to 11,500 feet (Lhasa) and there may be higher ridges to be crossed on the journey up to Lhasa. Climate change from hot and sticky to cold (freezing at night) and clear. We will have to carry all our gear and some food (1 days supply, MAYBE 2). We can probably get accommodation at hotels/inns on the way, so a tent might not be necessary. However, a cold weather suit and a change of cycling gear will be needed and a sleeping bag MIGHT be required as well. The bikes that I have are unsuitable for such a trip.

I'd prefer to travel as light as possible, both in terms of gear and bike weight, so I need another bike. Obviously, I'm in CHina and many of the bikes that you might be familiar with and recommend aren't available here or might be but with a substantial shipping cost penalty (which I'm not going to pay) and I'm not interested in a carbon frame. I'm more interested in style and and equipment rather than specific brand names, but Giant and Merida are two of the best names that are readily available here. Any advice or pointers will be gratefully received.
Uh. A touring bike is well suited for touring. Leave the cyclocross bike for those that decide to race road bikes in the mud, they were not meant to be touring bikes although they can be such.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Touring-Bikes
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:50 PM   #2561
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looks like a fun day. a suspension seat post on a fully suspended bike would be super weird.
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:27 PM   #2562
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It's probably just a remote adjustable seatpost like a Joplin or something.
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Old 04-20-2010, 12:13 AM   #2563
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I have officially joined the OT bike crew, I will post up the bike tomorrow.
my father bought me a Thule bike rack for the back of the jeep that plugs into the hitch, and as per doctors order....no more running. low impact cycling until my knee gets back into shape.

after reading this I feel as though I may get a better workout riding a bike than I do running. and after looking at the trails in Omaha, I can bike 40 miles round trip on trails that are pretty level to start out with so that I can get used to things.

I got my Garmin forerunner405 for running, and now I will just use it on my bike I guess. now to find an Ipod mount for my bike. Gonna be a change of pace, but I guess with summer coming around, nice enough weather to bike, I hope I can get into it, taking time to bike is the oddest part, but I guess I need me time.

anyways, I am psyched to try something new, I am just using a Mountain bike I bought a few years ago. so we shall see how it goes.

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I have officially joined the OT bike crew, I will post up the bike tomorrow.
my father bought me a Thule bike rack for the back of the jeep that plugs into the hitch, and as per doctors order....no more running. low impact cycling until my knee gets back into shape.

after reading this I feel as though I may get a better workout riding a bike than I do running. and after looking at the trails in Omaha, I can bike 40 miles round trip on trails that are pretty level to start out with so that I can get used to things.

I got my Garmin forerunner405 for running, and now I will just use it on my bike I guess. now to find an Ipod mount for my bike. Gonna be a change of pace, but I guess with summer coming around, nice enough weather to bike, I hope I can get into it, taking time to bike is the oddest part, but I guess I need me time.

anyways, I am psyched to try something new, I am just using a Mountain bike I bought a few years ago. so we shall see how it goes.
Remember... "Low Impact Cycling" does not equal bombing through the woods at full speed. You probably should concentrate on cadence and high speed spinning intervals for maximum exercise in little time with little impact. Look for a long bridge or some rolling hills and go to town. Spin up as fast as you can (avoid hammering in low gear, you want to spin fast and smooth) and coast down. Rinse, repeat!
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Remember... "Low Impact Cycling" does not equal bombing through the woods at full speed. You probably should concentrate on cadence and high speed spinning intervals for maximum exercise in little time with little impact. Look for a long bridge or some rolling hills and go to town. Spin up as fast as you can (avoid hammering in low gear, you want to spin fast and smooth) and coast down. Rinse, repeat!
when I say trails I mean concrete trails, Omaha has TONS of them
http://www.omahatrails.com/index.php...157&Itemid=191
I could technically bike form omaha to Lincoln(~50 miles) on paved trails almost the whole way.

and the doctor said to concentrate on the same hting you do, just spin, constant speed spinning, smooth like butter, easy and get your cardio going.

gonna be new to me, so we shall see how it goes.
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Updated pics of my Shore:





40.5 lbs as it sits in the pics. Just added new Straitline brake levers and Straitline Silent Guide chainguide...no moving parts!
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when I say trails I mean concrete trails, Omaha has TONS of them
http://www.omahatrails.com/index.php...157&Itemid=191
I could technically bike form omaha to Lincoln(~50 miles) on paved trails almost the whole way.

and the doctor said to concentrate on the same hting you do, just spin, constant speed spinning, smooth like butter, easy and get your cardio going.

gonna be new to me, so we shall see how it goes.
Ah ok. When you say trails around here, that usually means singletrack which really beats you up around here. Good luck and have fun!
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40.5 lbs as it sits in the pics. Just added new Straitline brake levers and Straitline Silent Guide chainguide...no moving parts!
Perrty, I love those levers, I want some. What did you have for a chainguide before?
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Uh. A touring bike is well suited for touring. Leave the cyclocross bike for those that decide to race road bikes in the mud, they were not meant to be touring bikes although they can be such.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Touring-Bikes
I just spoke with the ride organizer and he told me that the route takes the worst road into Tibet - many miles of narrow hill and mountain trails with mud, gravel and sand, prone to flooding and being washed out and generally very poor conditions. I think a touring bike is out of the question.

The ride that he is proposing sounds nasty to me with 1000+ highway miles followed by rough stuff. The thought of that many road miles on a heavily loaded hard tail does not excite me. He says its do-able in 30 days (because other riders normally do it in about that time, but they must fly down the pavement because they do few miles a day in the mountains). However, the recent earthquake has damaged many roads and trails in the region. The trip is supposed to start on July 9th and we have little idea about the nature of damage along the proposed route, nor can we predict what repairs, if any, will be made to roads by mid-July.
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Old 04-20-2010, 11:53 AM   #2570
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What rear shock is that?
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^^ Awesome. Are there a lot of hardtail riders in Colorado or is it mostly FS bikes?
There are many, many hardtails in CO. I love my Spot 29er 1x9 "Longboard" (hardtail). It's down with a taco'd front wheel, or else I would have had it in the posted picture.
Yes that's a Joplin on the 575, which I wouldn't recommend to anyone. The gravity dropper holds up sooo much better. The riding in this undisclosed area in Western CO bests most rides in Moab, and is absolutely free of any other bikes. Trails cut with a trials moto for the intent of mtb's. BLM= Freeride wherever you see a line you like. 35-45% slickrock along all cut trails, so erosion is not much of a consideration.
That previous pic shows the wife's and son's bikes, with the singlespeed upside down after a tire change. We've cut about 45 miles of interconnected trails full of small-to-large trail-bike drops/jumps, and sourced endless big lines for mashing around the big bikes. That and some target shooting and bonfires in the evenings makes for a kick ass place to have to yourself! Sorry I didn't stop to photo more of the cut trails.




Guess we didn't get much for action shots. Hard to stop and deal with the camera. Sorry if that's too much room for pics.

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^^ Awesome. I wish my GF was into mtn biking, but she has terrible coordination so we stick to snowboarding. I'm mainly getting the bike to get in shape to lose 30lbs. so I can get back to my college weight. I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on a Windsor PRO for roughly $630 shipped new. I like wrenching on my bikes so it should be fun. Can't wait till we move to Denver!
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I just spoke with the ride organizer and he told me that the route takes the worst road into Tibet - many miles of narrow hill and mountain trails with mud, gravel and sand, prone to flooding and being washed out and generally very poor conditions. I think a touring bike is out of the question.

The ride that he is proposing sounds nasty to me with 1000+ highway miles followed by rough stuff. The thought of that many road miles on a heavily loaded hard tail does not excite me. He says its do-able in 30 days (because other riders normally do it in about that time, but they must fly down the pavement because they do few miles a day in the mountains). However, the recent earthquake has damaged many roads and trails in the region. The trip is supposed to start on July 9th and we have little idea about the nature of damage along the proposed route, nor can we predict what repairs, if any, will be made to roads by mid-July.
Sounds pretty interesting. I wish I could get away for a month like that. 30-40 miles a day is very doable considering that you will be bike touring, not bike racing. I would really take the time to pick through some threads in the touring section of bikeforums.net . There is alot of knowledge there from people that do this all the time.

I know you didn't want any specific models mentioned but if I were in your shoes, I'd get something like this:



"Salsa Fargo" And yes, this is a touring bike. Also, real touring bikes are as tough as any hardtail mountain bike (not dh hardtails though). They are basically the same thing, where do you think mountain bikes even came from originally?

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Sounds pretty interesting. I wish I could get away for a month like that. 30-40 miles a day is very doable considering that you will be bike touring, not bike racing. I would really take the time to pick through some threads in the touring section of bikeforums.net . There is alot of knowledge there from people that do this all the time.

I know you didn't want any specific models mentioned but if I were in your shoes, I'd get something like this:



"Salsa Fargo" And yes, this is a touring bike. Also, real touring bikes are as tough as any hardtail mountain bike (not dh hardtails though). They are basically the same thing, where do you think mountain bikes even came from originally?
Mmmm...looks interesting. And there's a dealer in Hong Kong, so it is POSSIBLE to get it here. It seems to be right at the top end of my price range though and there might be an additional markup involved in HK and if a wheel needs to be replaced, I don't think it will be easy getting a new 29 here. It is, however, very much the type of bike that I had in mind. I have emailed the dealer to check on price, availability etc. Thanks.
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Use to race road bike for 3 years and got out of it and bought this in 2001. It has a few thousand miles on it.

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