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Old 10-11-2006, 12:16 AM   #1
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Default toulene users...

do you use a 'brew' or just pour it in straight?
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Old 10-11-2006, 01:28 AM   #2
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I poured it in straight, then went to the servo to fill up.
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Old 10-11-2006, 01:39 AM   #3
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how long did u use it for?
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Old 10-11-2006, 02:14 PM   #4
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I have ran many gallons through my 04 STi. I don't run it in "everyday mode", but I do when I wil be pushing it. I run down my gas tank level to about 1/3 to 1/4 tank and dump in a gallon of toulene. Runs great!
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Old 10-11-2006, 02:19 PM   #5
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Huh, yah I was thinking of using about a 15% concentration.
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Old 10-11-2006, 02:41 PM   #6
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Do you really notice a difference when you dump in that gallon? Or negligible?
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Old 10-11-2006, 06:02 PM   #7
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He would definitely notice it. I do not doubt the octane boost function of it at all, my concern (reason I started thread) was wondering how it effects reliability.

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/octanebooster.html
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:36 PM   #8
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I have used toulene a couple times and just poured it in straight. No Problems here and have around 125k miles on my car. Are you planning on running this at every fill up, is that why your asking?
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Old 10-11-2006, 09:05 PM   #9
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not every fill up...just at random times when I can't get race gas @ speedworld. I'd estimate the equivalent of about 2 gallons/month
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Old 10-11-2006, 09:59 PM   #10
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....I used hundreds of gallons of toluene and xylene---bought it 5 gallons at a time.... in my '02.....no issues while I had the car....except the 16g at 22-23psi was


I personally believe that an alcohol injection system would be a better idea, now that there are so many 'systems' available.
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:19 AM   #11
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curious...why alchy injection over just mixing it in the tank? My educated guess is to protect misc parts within the fuel system. However, there is then the risk of the injection system failing.
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Once you get the alchy injection set up and tuned for it will be cheaper to run the fuel (alchy) in the car, and therefore you can run it every day in your daily driver. It can be set up to spray only when you need the power, so your not going to go through a lot of alchy on a "freeway cruise".

The risk is system failure like you said, but you can put in safety measures to protect your car...
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:53 AM   #13
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I'll see how the whole 'gas @ speedworld' thing pans out. Honestly though, I am not modded enough to justify alchy injection...I pretty much max out the turbo/injectors/fp on my 100 octane tune.

The issue right now, is that when I did my "91" tune, I has some residual race gas in there so I have to keep it that way or I get light knock in the upper ranges. Much of it is likely due to the heat though, as it did not seem to be an issue when I got it tuned.

My main concern was the long-term effects of toulene...of which it does not seem I will even come close to seeing as I won't even be using regularly.
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Old 10-12-2006, 08:22 AM   #14
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Does anyone have any dyno numbers backing up a 10%, 20%, etc... toulene mix? I fully understand the whole octane thing but I'd like to see some data to show some actual results.
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Old 10-12-2006, 10:39 AM   #15
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I don't have any dyno numbers, and I doubt that you would see a big increase unless you tune for the higher octane. But I do notice that the car runs way better, and I don't get any detonation, which was a huge problem when running stock EM.

BTW, I am now running a Cooling Mist Stage 2 W/AI and I still dump a gallon of toulene in when I will be racing. The motor just seems noticeably "happier".
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:45 PM   #16
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Just out of curiosity, what does an injection system usually cost to buy/have installed?
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:57 PM   #17
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About $500 for a CoolingMist Stage 2 (which includes the progressive controller). About $300 for a basic system. You can install it yourself in an afternoon. It is pretty simple. The most difficult part is getting the intercooler back onto the inlet pipe.
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:08 PM   #18
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lol...yah, i've taken my IC off a couple times.
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Old 10-12-2006, 01:40 PM   #19
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alright, local paint store has xylene, but not toulene...anyone think it'll be more harmful?
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Old 10-12-2006, 08:03 PM   #20
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Ace hardware has toulene...7 bucks/quart Guy said they were 'out' of the gallon containers. If they did, it'd be about 17 bucks/gallon. Where do you regular toulene users get it?

On a side note, I did put one of those quarts'o'toulene in the Leggy to test it out. She seems to like it
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:01 PM   #21
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I'll see how the whole 'gas @ speedworld' thing pans out. Honestly though, I am not modded enough to justify alchy injection...I pretty much max out the turbo/injectors/fp on my 100 octane tune.
The issue right now, is that when I did my "91" tune, I has some residual race gas in there so I have to keep it that way or I get light knock in the upper ranges. Much of it is likely due to the heat though, as it did not seem to be an issue when I got it tuned.

My main concern was the long-term effects of toulene...of which it does not seem I will even come close to seeing as I won't even be using regularly.

you fail to understand how 'alky' works.....ya get 100 octane(and more....) outa using 'alky'.....ya put 93 in the tank, and teh alky is the 'added octane'.

ya get to run a 100 octane toon ALL THE TIME!!!!!

GOT IT!!!!!!


There is a HUGE amount of just plain wild, crazy, non-understanding about this and it is SO DAMNED SIMPLE IT IS STUPID.

STUPID SIMPLE.

93 GAS IN THE TANK AND A 100 OCTANE TOON EVERY DAY......JESUS-----WHAT IDIOT WOULDN'T WANT THAT????

.....AND IF YA IN A 91(OR 90 OCTANE PLACE LIKE ALASKA) ALKY IS THE ONLY REAL ANSWER.

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Old 10-14-2006, 03:47 AM   #23
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calm down scotty. I fully undestand how injection works. For the sake of my turbo, I have no intention of running my 100 octane tune all the time. Moreover, that 500 dollars would be much better spent on a bigger turbo...or coilovers. Also, I don't fully trust injection yet. See, I don't actually gain any power with injection, it just changes the way I get it.
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Actually for $500 the $/hp is pretty good compared to other mods. You just need to tune your car and you will gain HP.
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calm down scotty. I fully undestand how injection works. For the sake of my turbo, I have no intention of running my 100 octane tune all the time. Moreover, that 500 dollars would be much better spent on a bigger turbo...or coilovers. Also, I don't fully trust injection yet. See, I don't actually gain any power with injection, it just changes the way I get it.
....oh man....ya GOTTA BE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!..........

THIS is HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!1
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